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Fiction / In Popular culture

I have moved the "Fiction" section out to a separate page (Beretta 93R in popular culture) in keeping with en effort to move such sections where they become too long. It also aids in the inclusion of pages such as List of firearms in films and List of firearms in video games without even going into the pro's and con's of having such references as part of a firearm's page (few pro's, but some con's include):

they clutter the page
the list will grow forever with every new video game release
it does not really contribute much to information regarding the firearm in question unless it's really central like the PPK and James Bond.

See any number of other pages (and their discussion pages) where this split has been made:FN P90, Heckler & Koch PSG1, Heckler & Koch MP5, 1911 etc. etc. etc.)

Unfortunately, when you split out minor sections like that, the resulting separate pages aren't notable enough to stand on their own, and get deleted. Then the information can't be found *anywhere*. PubliusFL 17:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It has been decided that this type of information should not be on separate pages or in the articles themselves, because they aren't notable in most cases. Exceptions are of course relationship like the PPK to James Bond etc. For more information on the consensus decision reached, please see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history#Popular_culture

--Deon Steyn 06:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I had made the addition based on a long-standing popular culture connection. Don Pendleton's Mack Bolan character originated not long after Ian Flemming's James Bond (as referenced). The decades-long use, along with the continued following of the franchise caused the inclusion to make sense. Fans associate the Beretta 93R with Mack Bolan (linked back from the Mack Bolan Wikipedia page) as James Bond is associated with the Walther PPK. Had it been a periodic mention, or a secondary character, it would not have been significant to mention. Skylance (talk) 23:36, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To fans it may seem that the 93R is closely associated with that book series, but gun owners (and people in general) definitely don't associate the 93R with that book series, or any book series. In fact, most Beretta gun owners (or gun owners in general) probably aren't even familiar with that book series in the first place. ROG5728 (talk) 09:44, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Features List

I've taken out the features list, since it contained some things that don't apply to the 93R. First, the safety is coaxial with the fire selector, not located behind the trigger guard. (The only pistol I can think of that puts the safety behind the trigger guard is the H&K VP70, and that's a design of an entirely different lineage.) The button behind the trigger guard is the magazine release; the text I removed claimed that this was located at the base of the grip (like on the original Beretta 92 and numerous other European pistols), but that's actually a mounting point for the removable stock. If the magazine release were placed there, attaching the stock would block its operation. BobBQ 19:32, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What about the markings? I.e.: '"PIETRO BERETTA GARDONE V.T. Cal 9 Parabellum" on left side of slide. Serial number on right side of frame.' I ended up having to find this on a Wikipedia clone that had an outdated version of this article in order to see what was printed on the gun, and only by digging through the article history could I verify that it used to be listed here after all. -W- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.109.125.153 (talk) 06:18, 7 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Picture

Well, the title says it all... The picture of the pistol is a MS PAINT piece of garbage (i could be more graphic and more vast on the description but im gonna keep it together), not only it does not represent the actual looks of the pistol, but also its a DRAWING... how come this fact pass unnoticed by everyone?!!! for fucks sake, please change it i´m not allowed— Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.136.95.51 (talk • contribs)

A proper picture would be nice, finding one with a free license is the trick though.--Sus scrofa (talk) 02:13, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Robocop

Hi,

I added a "widely considered" part. As for the "Not noteworthy", Wikipedia is no longer a "Brittanica libre", it goes far beyond that. Shadowrun is a major licence and so is Robocop. Ares Predator and Auto 9 are a major part of both franchises. "Unworthiness" would require removing Star Wars or Forgotten Realms articles too.

I moved the Robocop part in a "In Popular Culture" section as it is done with numero other entries. Looks fine to me — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Latapie (talk • contribs)

The article is about the real world weapon, not movie-props. Period. Thomas.W ^{talk to me} 17:55, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That is ludicrious. Anything of fame is going to be searched by many people looking up something like, "Robocop's gun". See the .44 Magnum page and it's Popular Culture section which immediately references Dirty Harry (.44 Magnum#In popular culture).

I have added a new section for this in 2023. Thegreayman (talk) 17:11, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Image to Replace Drawing

I don't know if there are any problems with using it, but if not, I thought that the first image on the Internet Movie Firearms Database (IMFDB) page for the Beretta 93R might be a good replacement for the drawing.

I should also add that I have no idea how to get it on to the page if it is deemed an appropriate image, so someone with more knowledge of Wikipedia would have to put it in. 82.27.24.49 (talk) 13:27, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, one of the images is copyrighted, and I can't find copyright information for the other image, so they're not suitable for Wikipedia.--Sus scrofa (talk) 15:25, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to restart an old discussion, but I believe I may have found an appropriate image. Using a Google Image Advanced Search, I found this image [1]. It is listed as "free to use, share or modify, even commercially". Could someone check it out, just to be sure. Thanks. 82.27.24.49 (talk) 22:22, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to be an image of an airsoft replica though.[2] Could you also point out where it says that it's free to use?--Sus scrofa (talk) 22:39, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing that out, I hadn't noticed. However, on comparison to the one on IMFDB, which is the "real steel", the only differences I see are the missing "Made in Italy" on the slide and serial number on the frame. Could it not be used, as it is much better than the drawing, as long as it is stated in the caption that it is an Airsoft replica. I got that it's free to use from doing an Advanced Image Search [3]. I searched "Beretta 93R", changing the usage rights to "free to use, share or modify, even commercially", then clicked the first image on the results (it's the drawing used on here!), then clicked the third image on the "Related images" bit in the enlarged image viewer. Hope I explained that well enough. In theory, the fact that it came up in this search should mean that it is free to use, though I'm slightly 'worried' that its appearance in these results may be erroneous. Thanks again. 82.27.24.49 (talk) 12:24, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]