Talk:Bahíyyih Khánum

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Name

The article reads she was named "Fatimih-Sultan" but on her grave stone in Mount Carmel it says : Bahaiyyih: Bahiyyih or Bahaiyyih 1846-1932 and a inscription in Arabic just saying "daughter of Baha'u'llah" etc. In none of the grave stones does it have the titles for example Navvab's one says simply Asiyih wife of Baha'u'llah --Mrjames 9999 (talk) 18:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All true - the exact source of her name "Bahaiyyih" came from. There is a rumor it's a name invented by Baha'u'llah and Asiyih - perhaps it's some years later. Never the less a reputable source does say she was born "Fatimih-Sultan".Smkolins (talk) 20:13, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

She always signed as Bahiyyih for example:

GUARDIAN WIRES DEEPLY REGRETS INABILITY PARTICIPATE PERSONALLY 87 DEDICATION GATHERING OVERJOYED BRIGHT PROSPECTS LOVING GOOD WISHES, SHOGHI. BAHÁ'ÍYYIH (Shoghi Effendi, The Unfolding Destiny of the British Baha'i Community, p. 86) --Melaniegreyton (talk) 14:13, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That Shoghi Effendi refers to her as Bahiyyih Khanum doesn't mean that that was her given name. Shoghi Effendi always referred to Abdu'l-Baha as Abdu'l-Baha and not Abbas. The point is that the only verifiable source that mentions a "given" name states that it was Fatimih, and that is wat verifiability is all about. Anything else is original research which is not allowed. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 16:17, 11 July 2009 (

Shoghi Effendi didn't refer to her as Bahiyyih, it was her own letter --Lizzie1988 (talk) 18:39, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth I found a second reference that agrees she was born with the name Fatimih: Name and Numbers, by Elias Zohoori, on page 11 detailing the children of Baha'u'llah.Smkolins (talk) 19:07, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And another one: [http://books.google.com/books?id=z7zdDFTzNr0C&pg=RA1-PA16&lpg=RA1-PA16&dq=Bahiyyih+fatimih&source=bl& ots=TlX91jRvRh&sig=ugzRUF8vuyy1yoecwmKGXTEpL6U&hl=en&ei=IuVYSozQKeXBtwf1m_3cCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6 here] might turn this one into a citation.Smkolins (talk) 19:21, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- and another page 8 "Fatimih Sultan Khanum, who in later years was known by

the titles Bahiyyih Khanum and the Greatest Holy Leaf" Smkolins (talk) 19:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great citations Smkolins. Lizzie, your statements are all original research. Lots of people go with a name other than their given names; I know Babak's that go as Mike's for their whole life, but it doesn't mean that their given name was not Babak. Please use verifiable sources instead of making arguments that do not prove anything. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 19:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this being directed at me? I was not the one who started the "debate" --Lizzie1988 (talk) 21:27, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Her name was Baháíyyih, it says so in the officiol family tree of Mirza Abbas Nuri --Morland234 (talk) 22:20, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Name II

In her obituary written in 1932 published in The Bahá’í World shortly after her passing by Marjory Morten it reads: She was named Bahá’íyyih. In the same volume the family tree of Vazir-i-Nuri (father of Bahá’u’lláh) her name is given as Bahá’íyyih, similairly ‘Abdu’l-Bahá is given as ‘Abbás and “the purest branch” is given as Mihdí. In volume XVIII of The Bahá’í World, a section is written about her due to the anniversairy of her passing. Bahíyyih Nakhjavání writes a short biography of her stating: She was named Bahá’íyyih by Bahá’u’lláh...She was given the titles of the Greatest Holy Leaf and the Most Exalted Leaf --Melaniegreyton (talk) 15:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Her father

Hi, this article looks really good but I am just wondering why there is so little written about the aftermath of the death of her father? She rose up after that time and began to emerge as a important figure, correct me if I am wrong --Freddiedward123 (talk) 21:41, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

perhaps it's not clear from the article but most of [Bahiyyih_Khánum#Religious_role] and down is after the death of her father. Smkolins (talk) 01:22, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

another source to integrate

Ma'ani, Baharieh Rouhani (2008). Leaves of the Twin Divine Trees. George Ronald Publisher. p. 448. ISBN 9780853985334. Smkolins (talk) 23:39, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]