Talk:BabelCon

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2010 event

It was stated that the event was down scaled to save money, only a few rooms were rented and the event date was moved from its historical date to one that was set when the local school was in session. No press covered the event; it just received a small event note this year in the paper. The power of the event has greatly diminished over the years once people found, among other things a lack of a renfair as advertised, no dealers this year, no games really planned but for a few, no warhammer, no tourneys. This whole, lets just have seminars is in it self not a draw. The lack of a main guest that’s praise worthy is also of note, Coast Con had three, Babbelcon 0.

The con should have had money in the war-chest from last year for this event, this idea of down scaling is absurd, events around the country are doing well, and Coast Con did well this year as a good comparison with excellent guests of note attending.

Both dealers and game masters got shafted, Babbelcon refused to set aside space for dealers, forcing them to rent rooms on the fourth floor at a much greater cost to sell there wares, and by not giving them a free badge this year. I found this to be incredibly stingy and greedy on the part of Babbelcon. Game masters needed to run 20 hours of events to get in for free, way up from the 8 hours from the past.

Please note that editor BRYankee is again Randy Richards, one of the few who host this event and one who for what ever reason refuses to relinquish the RP guest of honor.71.139.22.121 (talk) 16:15, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I am not Randy Richards (I know by saying that it makes it sound like I am Randy). I won't pretend to not know him and I agree that normally he is the first (and only) person to blow his own horn. I only fleshed out this article so people could see this convention started out good but has gone down hill. I would be happy to let the "senior" editors (or whatever they are called) make the final judgement (personally if they felt this was too small of potatoes for wiki I'd have no problem seeing this article go bye-bye). If you need confirmation (since you seem to know CoastCon well) some of the main people there know who I am and can verify that I am not Randy. Thank you and happy editing. --BRYankee (talk) 17:00, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, edit in haste. makes a waste and so on, your not Randy and I apoligize for the remark. 71.139.22.121 (talk) 19:03, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not a problem. --BRYankee (talk) 23:05, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Noteablity

All this argument has done is draw more attention to an article not worth the distinction any one of these editors have given it. It would be best if it were deleted from the Wiki entirely. It does not meet eligbility requirements and no editor of it has been unbiased. Z. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.180.82.59 (talk) 23:18, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree to a point. If you feel this article does not meet eligbility requirements or show signs of bias - please call for a vote. --BRYankee (talk) 01:43, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, why not spend you time on editing or writing an article on something else? I request this entire BabelCon entry be deleted. It lacks focus and offers no perspective on Louisiana fans, their history or their subculture. It also offers no reliable references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.180.82.59 (talk) 02:16, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Request for delete has been placed. Any editor could do it. In fact if you sign in you could have requested it. I have no stake in the article other than to let others see how this convention has progressed (good or bad, depending on your point of view). --BRYankee (talk) 02:02, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop Re-prod(ing) the article

A prod has been added several times and contested. Please do not RE-PROD this article. The next step if you feel this should be deleted is an AFD debate. -Tracer9999 (talk) 15:02, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Correction to "History" section of the page

In the interest of accuracy, let me say that Crescent City Con didn't cease because of conditions following Hurricane Katrina. This was reported in the Advocate, but the source was a member of Babelcon's staff who was apparently making a conclusion based on his or her own assumptions in the absence of good information. As a member of CCC's staff for it's 4 final years, I know that the board had decided in advance that the 2005 con, the 20th CCC, would be the last one. In fact, we wore ribbons on our badges that year, saying "20 Years, Just For The Fun of It." What Katrina put a stop to was a new convention, run by an entirely different group, that was planned to begin in 2006, NoConfusion. Commanderb504 (talk) 18:49, 22 April 2010 (UTC)Rebecca[reply]

More to the point, any information on the history any other conventions anywhere is not relevant to the topic of BabelCon. Especially since the BabelCon staff is uninterested in the history of Science fiction conventions or Fandom in its own host city, Baton Rouge. They would be wise to have a history of their own and to learn the history of Fandom in their own city before they begin to revise and rewrite the history of conventions anywhere else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.230.21.208 (talk) 07:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Once again the article was made brief and to the point. All the previous data on the convention is slanted as advertising...not history. Some of it is uncheckable gossip and bring more grief to the editors of the Wiki than is required of such a minor entry. It is best left brief, to the point, and professional. Anyone interested in the history of BabelCon can read a version of it on the Website...linked here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.230.21.208 (talk) 04:55, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mass deletion of properly referenced text, formatting, and categories is black-letter vandalism. Please discontinue your repeated attempts to disrupt the article and the encyclopedia. - Dravecky (talk) 06:19, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The news article cited backs up the assertion in the BabelCon article. Clearly visible in the free online abstract (provided as a courtesy link) is "The Baton Rouge sci-fi club, Star One Delta, founded 20 years ago, organized BabelCon after a well-known convention in New Orleans decided to stop meeting following Hurricane Katrina." I'm unclear on what is so controversial in this statement that it is inspiring such dedication to its removal. - Dravecky (talk) 01:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

CrescentCityCon held it's 20th and last convention on August 5-7, 2005, and the organizers had already determined -- and had announced -- that this would be their last one. Hurricane Katrina, which occurred August 29, 2005, was most emphatically not a factor in CrescentCityCon's retirement. The only reason the news article cited "backs up the assertion" is that the writer's information source was the BabelCon organization. Thus the newspaper article is less a reliable third-party source than it is simply a recitation by a parrot. --98.89.150.130 (talk) 06:42, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Attendance figures

It should be noted that the Baton Rouge Advocate's primary source for details concerning Babelcon was, of course, the individual(s) doing PR for BabelCon. This alone makes claims of attendance figures as high as 1000 (for 2008) highly suspect. --98.89.150.170 (talk) 02:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nevertheless, this is what the reliable source says, and in the absence of a conflicting reliable source, there is no basis to remove the information. Please see WP:TRUTH. --Arxiloxos (talk) 04:06, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, please! The "reliable source" in this instance is a PR flak providing the information the feature writer then reports. Reliability should be made of sterner stuff. --98.89.150.170 (talk) 10:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This event was not covered by the Advocate' this year, the press was not invited to participate, the pictures posted show a very sparse turn out. Also note per the babcon website there moving it to April, this does not sit well, these cons need to find a date, now its pressing Coastcon. ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.39.66 (talk) 17:46, 14 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shake up in managment

Babelcon managment has broken. Randy was removed from his position so he has taken over the website claiming he owns Babelcon now and Andrew is out. Randy is trying to keep control of Babelcon by using his past role as comms officer to maintain a fiction that he has control of Babelcon, he does not. Hes been ousted (Shades of coastcon) and is taking his revenge through false information and out right lies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.26.192 (talk) 04:12, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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