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Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2023 (2)

To make the article unbiased and to provide a fair comparative context, please add the following to the end of the last paragraph of the lead of this article.

Edit note: with condensed and rephrased text from adverse effect.

Comparatively, the modern Western medicine also causes adverse side effects and complications,[1][2] causing at least 142,000 deaths globally in 2013,[3] resulting in numerous lawsuits against western drug manufacturers.[4][5] 119.74.238.54 (talk) 13:54, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Howick, Jeremy; Webster, Rebecca; Kirby, Nigel; Hood, Kerry (2018-12-11). "Rapid overview of systematic reviews of nocebo effects reported by patients taking placebos in clinical trials". Trials. 19 (1): 674. doi:10.1186/s13063-018-3042-4. ISSN 1745-6215. PMC 6288933. PMID 30526685.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)
  2. ^ Howick, Jeremy (2020). "Unethical informed consent caused by overlooking poorly measured nocebo effects". Journal of Medical Ethics. 47 (9): medethics-2019-105903. doi:10.1136/medethics-2019-105903. PMID 32063581. S2CID 211134874.
  3. ^ GBD 2013 Mortality Causes of Death Collaborators (January 2015). "Global, regional, and national age-sex specific all-cause and cause-specific mortality for 240 causes of death, 1990-2013: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2013". Lancet. 385 (9963): 117–71. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(14)61682-2. PMC 4340604. PMID 25530442.
  4. ^ "Thimerosal in Vaccines". U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Archived from the original on January 6, 2013. Retrieved March 16, 2013.
  5. ^ Jaslow, R. (March 29, 2012). "CDC sees autism rate rise 25%". CBS News. Archived from the original on March 20, 2013. Retrieved March 16, 2013.
 Not done - we shouldn't be suggesting equivalency between modern medicine, which while not perfect is highly effective, and pseudoscience like Ayurveda. BilledMammal (talk) 14:08, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2023

Please edit the first sentence in the lede 

roots in the Hinduism and the Indian subcontinent.[1][2]

Thank you. 119.74.238.54 (talk) 13:10, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ John Forbes Royle, 1837, An Essay on the Antiquity of Hindoo Medicine, W. H. Allen & Co..
  2. ^ Sivananda Datta, 2022, Ayurveda: Unlocking the Secrets of Hindu Healing Through the Ayurveda Diet, Yoga, Aromatherapy, Vata Dosha and Meditation, Springer Publishing.
I'm not generally opposed to the edit, but I am unconvinced by the sources neither of which - the former due to age, the latter due to content - appear to be overly reliable. BilledMammal (talk) 14:07, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. -- Pinchme123 (talk) 05:00, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Unnecessary descriptor

>Through well-understood processes of modernization and globalization, ayurveda has been adapted for Western consumption

Are these processes really "well-understood"? I see the source referenced has essays on the development of international brands of the subject but the wording makes it sound like the results of Eastern and Western cultural mingling are easily predictable. Anyone interested in striking that descriptor? I feel like quite the pedant here, but it hits a tone that annoys me. 2600:1015:B12A:24C7:3852:9FB8:5D5C:F4A1 (talk) 20:25, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done. I agree. It sounded pretty bad, given that the next sentence calls out fraud. Not pedantic at all, thanks. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:33, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Nano-ayurvedic medicine

The article Nano-ayurvedic medicine was recently created. I just blanked and redirected it here. There may be some useful information for expanding this article available in the sources used there. See this revision if you'd care to dig through the references. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:40, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Now a redlink because it was restored and I draftified. See Draft:Nano-ayurvedic medicine. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 11:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Ayurveda using population in india

the article says "It is heavily practiced in India and Nepal, where around 80% of the population report using ayurveda" coined with somewhat vague citations such as people in nepal (Not in india) using ayurveda as first aid.This projects a false narrative that 80% people in india uses ayurveda over modern medicine, But according to latest data 90% of indian population prefers modern medicine over ayurveda and other pseudoscientific medications.(Which makes sense as people's health will be in jeopardy if they use alternative pseudo medicines for chronic illness instead of real medicines)

Here I'm linking a news article about it https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/90-of-indians-prefer-allopathy-over-ayush/articleshow/47981441.cms

Here's the National Sample Survey Office(NSSO) survey report that shows that 90% of Indians use allopathic or modern medical treatments as primary health care treatments.(refer Table 10). https://www.mospi.gov.in/sites/default/files/publication_reports/nss_71st_ki_health_30june15.pdf

Deejayyyoung (talk) 12:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Err no it does not, as it doesn't say that. That is a bit like trying to say that people using a bus never use cars. Slatersteven (talk) 13:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Wording is quite problematic giving the impression that 80% of indians depends on ayurveda as their primary medical care ,It'll be wiser to add at least that they use ayurveda as secondary or supplementary treatment after modern medical care. Deejayyyoung (talk) 13:28, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
And I disagree it gives that impression. Niter for us to make your susgesrted edit the sources must say " use ayurveda as secondary or supplementary treatment after modern medical care.", not that they just use it. Slatersteven (talk) 13:34, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
You would find the sources supporting the claim of 80% use are of very poor quality. One of them says 80% of Nepal population use ayurveda as first aid(Like a band aid?) and other one is about heavy metal poisoning in ayurveda , And the third one is from a low quality book about herbal medicine apparently written by a bcom(business degree) graduate . Deejayyyoung (talk) 13:55, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Those are only the sources we use in the lede, there appear to be others in the body. So you need to find a source actually contesting what we actually say. Slatersteven (talk) 14:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
It's not my burden to prove the flying spaghetti doesn't exist but the burden of ones who claim that they exist in the first place . Check and verify the deteriorate quality citations used to claim absurd assumptions. Deejayyyoung (talk) 06:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Read wp:v wp:consensus and wp:burden. Slatersteven (talk) 10:48, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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