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Wikipedia is not a place to air general grievances of who is violating an International agreement; nor is it the place to state personal thoughts about ethnicity

I think this article shows a partisan view. I read reliable data on the OSCE mission website. It states: ""Daily and spot reports from The Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine (OSCE)"". "OSCE". 2017-01-29. Retrieved 2017-02-02. There were ceasefire violations inside the Stanytsia Luhanska disengagement area on 27 and 28 January. In violation of withdrawal lines the Mission observed tanks and howitzers near Avdiivka and a surface-to-air missile system near Hannivka.

If I'm not wrong this means that the Ukrainian are in violation of the Minsk agreements, not the DPR.

Secondly, I referred to the source of the "ethnicity data". For as far as I know, they speak about nationalities, not ethnicity. Ukrainians are as far as I know ethnic Russians... But this is controversial I know. Nevertheless, the source doesn't use the wording, so it is inappropriate to use it and then use an external source where the word "ethnic" appears only once in a preamble.

Please define what ancestor contribution make you an ethnic Ukrainian and what combination make you Russian (remember that the eastern Ukraine was added as a counterbalance for the western Ukraine in soviet time and was therefore 100% ethnic Russian just one generation ago)?

Let us instead speak about nationality please, an obvious concept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.80.69 (talk) 11:42, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above IP remarks are Russian nationalism and POV-pushing trolling. But for the average Wikipedia reader: Eastern Ukraine was never 100% ethnic Russian. According to the Russian Imperial Census of 1897, ethnic Ukrainians comprised 52.4% of the population of the Donbass region, whilst ethnic Russians comprised 28.7%.^[1] — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 15:31, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

^ Hiroaki Kuromiya (2003). Freedom and Terror in the Donbas: A Ukrainian-Russian Borderland, 1870s–1990s. Cambridge University Press. pp. 41–42. ISBN 0521526086.

OK as usual on this website. You obviously can't read. First, I said that the eastern oblast' were 100% Russian one generation ago (approximately), as they were added from Russia to Ukraine. THIS IS A FACT. look at your own shit here: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Oblasts_of_Ukraine. The statistics you give just say nothing as accross the years the oblasts were reshuffled. Second, I was expecting that kind of stupid answer by trolls working for this site I had banned for 1 year and will continue to ban. Wikipedia is yet another pollution on the internet with un-grounded accusation an biased info and you call yourself an encyclopedia? Your name already let me imagine how much disconnected you are from all this. Why do you not talk about the OSCE observation? Who shot first, who is in infringement of Minsk? Hannivka is much too far for the separatist to be the motivation. Just be a little critical. Good luck won't read anything you answer anyhow. I am a democrat from Western Europe, born here raised here and proud of it. Your comments on my IP just demonstrate that your statements are based on air. This time I'll add it to my hosts file so I don't make the mistake to come here again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.80.69 (talk) 11:42, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Related RM

There is an RM at Talk:Avdeyevka, Russia#Requested move 11 October 2023 that may affect redirects to this page and otherwise interest editors of this article. Thank you. HappyWith (talk) 00:20, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Population statistics change suggestion

Noticed that the referenced article for the 2017 population doesn't refer to a specific year (only saying the height of the conflict, which is unclear exactly when that is in this case). If it means 2014 that would be a significant population change but if it's referring to 2017 (with the battle being in February and the article being published in June, it wouldn't seem to be a proper population change considering the temporary nature of it).

Without a clearer source, would it be best to remove that statistic from the article? Awats124 (talk) 08:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article states Ukrainian forces fled to avoid encirclement. Not justified by the source.

The source cited states that Ukrainian troops "withdrew" from the city. The Wikipedia article states that they fled, implying that it was a disorganized retreat. Unless evidence is given to this effect, I propose that the verb be changed to either "withdrew" or "retreated." 206.45.43.237 (talk) 04:17, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[FTdon41-1] Hiroaki Kuromiya (2003). Freedom and Terror in the Donbas: A Ukrainian-Russian Borderland, 1870s–1990s. Cambridge University Press. pp. 41–42. ISBN 0521526086.

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