Talk:Austria victim theory

Sfn footnotes that still don't work

These works are mentioned in the "References" section but have no corresponding work in the "Sources" section:

Bukey 2000
Polaschek 2002
Silverman 2012
Steininger 2008

The script User:Gadget850/HarvErrors.js is very useful when checking these kinds of reference. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:04, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV Dispute & Grammar Cleanup

I'm not sure "Myth" is really the appropriate word for Victim Theory; other wikipedia articles such as Victim Theory avoid the term myth and it clearly lends the article to a specific opinion. Other more glaring violations include calling 1980s Austria a "Nazi Country", in the first paragraph of "Acknowledgement of Liability".

My assumption is a lot of the non-neutral terminology has it's roots in the original Russian or in the translation. Judging by the edit history of this article and articles that link to it, it's mostly been done by a single person. Beyond that, the general grammar of the article ranges from off-kilter ("Only in 1960 conservatives became concerned with an unpredictable behaviour of people dressed in the Wehrmacht uniform so Austria banned to wear Swastika.") to unreadable ("During the whole Waldheim's (1986–1992) the international situation of Austria was getting worse; governments of the USA and Israel joined to the pressure of Jewish diasporas as they did not wanted to admit the Nazi country, which has supported Yasser Arafat and Muammar Gaddafi, to the world politics."). A bit of clean-up would go a long way.

Also, a lot of sentences venture too far from being clinical into being prose. I.e. "A patriotic upsurge appeared in the country and replaced bitter memories." Not really sure if that's a problem, but it feels out of place.

P.S. sorry if I'm doing something wrong here Darkwiz787 (talk) 23:03, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with these points. The occasionally bizarre grammar aside, the article does come off in a number of places as having neutrality issues. The article is well-sourced, and it goes into detail about a lesser-known aspect of World War 2 and Austrian history; however, cleanup and POV must be improved; it would be a shame for this article to wind up in AfD. Scriblerian1 (talk) 08:23, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot do better then I have already done by translating the article. Removing or replacing "pathetic" or "non-neutral" parts of text was not the purpose of a mere translation. It was the author(s)'s decision to use such a words. Everybody is welcome to review the article. Binome (talk) 17:32, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think that judging by the context it can be figured out the "Nazi Country" is used to describe how the other mentioned countries had assessed the political situation in Austria. --Binome (talk) 20:43, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've toned down one more heading (changing a reference to the "myth" to one of the "theory" of Austria's victimhood), and now I'm removing the tag. The article seems to have been greatly cleaned up since this concern was first raised. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 20:09, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Will Gusen survive?

The Gusen part of the KZ wasn't conserved after the war. The fate of the place isn't decided yet. [1],[2]Xx236 (talk) 08:02, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 May 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 16:02, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Austria – the Nazis' first victim → Austria victim theory – The article is not about the slogan, it's about the theory itself—that Austria was the victim of Germany during World War II. The German article is located at de:Opferthese ("victim theory") which seems to be the common name in German. In English "victim theory" has other uses, so Austria or Austrian should be added as a natural disambiguation. b uidhe 08:49, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nominator, also per WP:NPOV.(KIENGIR (talk) 09:42, 8 May 2020 (UTC))[reply]
Support. Current title is not neutral, as this theory is accepted by some and rejected by others.--Bob not snob (talk) 07:35, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support per nominator. JIP | Talk 12:44, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

NPOV in the Lede

This article takes a clearly critical tone before even fully introducing what the ‘first victim of maxi aggression’ theory was or how it developed. A Tree In A Box (talk) 01:26, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]