Talk:Athlone–Longford (Dáil constituency)

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Requested move 22 August 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved. (page mover nac) The editor whose username is Z0 10:44, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

– This matches the page Dáil constituencies recently renamed by @Jnestorius. I can't see any loss of clarity from the renaming. Being more concise, it will also be easier on editors. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 14:42, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly oppose - The name of the lower house of the Irish parliament is Dáil Éireann, Dáil is just a shorthand. The naming convention should follow the name of the house. Spleodrach (talk) 20:55, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: - This is for the disambiguation part of the title, so strict formality should not be required. But even consider the formal context of legislation, as the most recent two electoral law statute uses the term Dáil Constituencies in their title, Electoral (Amendment) (Dáil Constituencies) Act 2013 and Electoral (Amendment) (Dáil Constituencies) Act 2017, shortening to Dáil can hardly be dismissed as mere shorthand. Similarly, we use Members of the 32nd Dáil, rather than Members of the 32nd Dáil Éireann, so the suggested move adds consistency across the project. –Iveagh Gardens (talk) 09:44, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Or indeed in the case of Talk:Government of the 31st Dáil, where it wasn't raised as a better title in a different discussion. –Iveagh Gardens (talk) 11:55, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The titles of pieces of Irish legislation have a different audience from the titles of WP articles, so consistency with them is not an urgent consideration. Also, see the text of Dáil Éireann: “In common usage, the word Dáil is accompanied by the definite article, but Dáil Éireann is not. So one speaks of "the Dáil" but not "the Dáil Éireann"”. Hence, titles of articles on specific Dáileanna are almost bound to take the form "..of the 32nd Dáil" as opposed to "..of 32nd Dáil Éireann" for reasons of clarity of phrasing; they are not helpful for analogy in this instance. Harfarhs (talk) 03:36, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mildly support - "Dáil constituency" is used in general conversation (as is "Seanad constituency" for the strange franchises applicable to the upper house), and is fully clear to any Irish person. I agree that it is important to respect both the body and the conventions, but brevity and clarity are also of value, and to most non-Irish speakers, Dail and Dail Eireann are equally obscure. SeoR (talk) 07:00, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"..and is fully clear to any Irish person" – that isn't really the point, is it? Harfarhs (talk) 03:36, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That was my closing point - to general readers, neither term is going to be familiar, but then we should use the more concise one. I imagine this was the reason for using "parliamentary" in the first place, as the generic term globally, and it is technically correct, of course, Dail constituencies are simply one form. But for all the reasons mentioned elsewhere, we can certainly come up with a more compact title.SeoR (talk) 10:41, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The move of Dáil constituencies was being used as justification for these proposed moves, but this article has now been moved back to Parliamentary constituencies in the Republic of Ireland by User:Dekimasu. Spleodrach (talk) 07:32, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment and I have contested that. jnestorius^(talk) 09:32, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Wikipedia prefers WP:COMMONNAME to WP:OFFICIALNAME. Category:Constituencies of the Parliament of the United Kingdom has a long name but most of the articles have names like Brentford (UK Parliament constituency) rather than Brentford (United Kingdom Parliament constituency) or Brentford (House of Commons of the United Kingdom constituency) . jnestorius^(talk) 09:29, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support - in favour of brevity, no risk of ambiguity Bogger (talk) 10:42, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support as per WP:CONCISE and jnestorius. It would probably be a different situation if parliament was called "Chamber", "Congress", "Assembly" or whatever (as these would not be unambiguous enough), but "Dáil Éireann" is a pretty much unique name, and "Dáil" would be concise and unambiguous enough to provide a full identification of the subject. Also, the official name would only prevail if this was an article on a government department, agency, or official (as per WP:NCGAL), but this is not the case here. Impru20^talk 13:12, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support for brevity. Number 5 7 16:21, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:CONCISE. Also, the "long-form" versions will still exist as redirects, so nothing is really lost in moving these. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:27, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for same reason as User:Spleodrach. Harfarhs (talk) 03:36, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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