Talk:Athens Academy (school)

History of the school

I thought it made sense to change this section from "origin of the athens name" to "history of the school." I wanted to be sure to include the verifiable information (see reference) about its historical origins, and "origin of the athens name" is rather specific for a section of its own. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.16.199.200 (talk) 22:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Seriously?? No Ronnie Griffeth the 1st headmaster. The school existed and thrived long before Mr. Chambers arrived and yet the "history" starts with him.Hope Hinton (talk) 00:01, 25 July 2017 (UTC)Hope Hinton oops-it says to cite my sources. A proud member from the 1st day of Athens Academy.

Number of students

The side panel says there are less than 800 students, but the article itself says there are approximately 875. This needs to be checked and fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by N-k (talk • contribs) 04:04, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Name change

I disagree with the name change, and disapprove of the lack of procedure in changing it. It should have been proposed on the talk page first. Clearly the Academy of Athens is far more notable, but I'm not sure that the search Athens Academy should redirect to it. After all, the names are not the same. Maybe there should be a disambiguation page instead. In addition, the new name is completely wrong, as Athens Academy is not a college, at least not in any American sense of the word; it is a college-preparatory school. I am changing the title to Athens Academy (school) for now, but would welcome any other suggestions. --N-k (talk) 00:43, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

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Segregation

Athens Academy was never a segregated school. The document you provided made no comment on that either, simply stating that it opened up in 1967 in Athens. Seems libelous and unimportant in my opinion.

At most it was de facto instead of de jure segregation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.113.21.215 (talk) 04:40, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Editing choice

Multiple IP editors 117.88.100.47 and 2603:300A:137:8800:F906:330D:9367:2498 have added Segregation academy to the lede. My judgement -- and subject to counter arguments -- is that any school that was established as a Segregation academy and for which there is verifiable documentary evidence absolutely needs to have that in the article. There are several choices of text, for example, "all-white school," or "segregated school," as well as the default "segregation academy."

This period of our history is now fifty years ago. There is no particular reason to put it in the lede, making it part of the Google preview. There is also no reason to mention it twice, unless it is a substantial portion of the story the article tells.

In this article, I'm not sure that mentioning segregation twice and forcing it into the lede is NPOV. Rhadow (talk) 11:37, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Since the last message here, *all* mentions of it being a segregation academy have been removed, and I'm having a hard time getting one back in, even with sources. Is there a reason they were all removed? The page literally has a category listed at the bottom called "segregation academies in Georgia" and is listed on the "segregation academies" Wikipedia list as well. natemup (talk) 12:16, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

I think asserting the "segregation academy" accusation as fact requires a bit of mind-reading. I'll leave to others the question of whether it'd fair to say later in the article that Flagpole (a fun read but not a publication from which every passing reference should be taken as a statement of fact) has called it a "segregation academy," in which case I would respectfully suggest the headmaster's statement in that same Flagpole article should be presented as well, perhaps along with an acknowledgment that any such segregation is long in the past. Disclaimer: I am an Academy alumnus. Bdure (talk) 19:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Lead section

There is no reason to include the sentence about segregation in the lead section of the article. There is no segregation policy at the school. Furthermore, the phrasing of the sentence, which keeps being restored, is obviously deliberate, its tense specifically intended to imply an ongoing segregation issue at the school when no such policy exists. I find this disingenuous at best, and at the very least it is not important enough to be included in the lead section. It was called that one time, by one source. Cite that source all you like, but continuing to restore it to the lead section demonstrates an editorial bias unbecoming of Wikipedia. CaBBaGe isLaND (talk) 05:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

CaBBaGe isLaND, I just googled it and found numerous sources that describe that it was founded as a segregation academy, also sources commonly used the term "white flight". Per WP:MOS:LEAD, The lede section should "stand on its own as a concise overview of the article's topic. It should identify the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies." This school was founded for the purpose of providing white students a place to receive an education free from the presence of Black children. While the school may have changed considerably by the present, this was its very reason to be, it is the essence of the creation of the school. It is likely the reason the school is even notable enough to have an article. The school would not exist if not for the purpose of segregation, leaving it out of the lead would be tantamount to whitewashing. Wikipedia is not WP:CENSORED, this is not the schools web page, it is an encyclopedia. — Jacona (talk) 19:09, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

"Googled" is not a definitive source. No actual source is cited. And if you're going to establish context, you can't just throw in a random unsourced comment. Sentence deleted. I'm sorry, but this isn't hard. Bdure (talk) 15:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

There was also a reference that said "it has been called a white-flight school." If you read the article, you see that the comment was taken out of context. If someone wants to include a longer discussion, fine, but tossing in one sentence from an article that credits Athens Academy with being more inclusive than peer institutions is hardly fair. Bdure (talk) 16:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC)