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Reviewer: SilkTork (talk · contribs) 22:59, 4 May 2012 (UTC) I'll start reading over the next few days and then begin to make comments. I am a slow reviewer, so if there is a desire to have the review done soon, then let me know and I'll withdraw now. I tend to directly do copy-editing and minor improvements rather than make long lists, though sometimes I will make a general comment, especially if there is a lot of work needed. I see the reviewer's role as collaborative and collegiate, so I welcome discussion regarding interpretation of the criteria. SilkTork ✔Tea time 22:59, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Query

*The image in the infobox is not the same as the one in the file - File:Arsene-Wenger.jpg. Any idea what has happened? The same error appears to apply to most of the other Wikis which use the file. SilkTork ✔Tea time 21:01, 14 May 2012 (UTC) [reply]

*Sources. I've not checked many sources yet, but there appears to be a mistake with one. The statement: "He played as a defender for various amateur clubs, while studying at the Faculté des sciences économiques et de gestion of University of Strasbourg, where he completed a master's degree in 1971." is supported by a reference to this page which indicates that he was mainly a midfield player at Strasbourg, and gives no information about a master's degree (which I assume would be a "master professionnel" - a vocational qualification). Sometimes citations get moved around, or the wrong page or source is cited during work on an article, especially when there are several significant contributors. It would be good to get the right source, and to check up on the other cites. SilkTork ✔Tea time 21:55, 14 May 2012 (UTC) [reply]

He holds a maîtrise (which is the equivalent of a Master's degree in French) in 'sciences économiques' → economics. I should have used L'Express, Issues 2125-2136 as the source, I don't know how the book ref got in there, apologies. -- Lemonade51 (talk) 22:02, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This source has him graduating in 1974 with a degree in Economics. SilkTork ✔Tea time 22:06, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This interview in French (PDF) also has him down as 1974. Will correct. -- Lemonade51 (talk) 22:16, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm seeing comments that he has a masters in Economics, but not from reliable sources - often they are Wikipedia mirrors or fan sites. The better sources such as the BBC and Arsenal say he has a degree. Be good to get that firmed up as well. SilkTork ✔Tea time 22:17, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The PDF confirms that it was a degree not a masters. It says he has a licence, which is a degree. SilkTork ✔Tea time 22:21, 14 May 2012 (UTC) [reply]
"titulaire d'une maîtrise en sciences économiques", L'Express issue in 1992, the one I alluded to earlier. -- Lemonade51 (talk) 22:23, 14 May 2012 (UTC) [reply]
Scratch that. Found plenty of reliable English sources confirming his master's degree: here, here or here. This source confirms he graduated in 1974. -- Lemonade51 (talk) 15:29, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
When there is a discrepancy in sources the usual thing is to make a footnote regarding the matter, and not to take sides. Something like "completed a degree in economics in 1974"* *[some sources - example - say licence, the French equivalent of a batcher degree, others - example - say a masters degree]. SilkTork ✔Tea time 19:52, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Have addressed. -- Lemonade51 (talk) 22:48, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral POV. This is a query. The article is fairly positive as regards Wengar's achievements. Has enough been done to include reasonable criticism? Some of the negative material I am aware of and have encountered is in the article (his players being aggressive, for example), and appears to be explored reasonably, so it seems OK, but just wanted to raise it as a query. SilkTork ✔Tea time 20:23, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The major criticism levelled to him in recent seasons has been reluctance to spend 'big' money and choosing to stick with a youth policy, instead of buying experienced players. I'm sure I can expand on that in the 'Plaudits' section. -- Lemonade51 (talk) 20:35, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'm picking that up - as here, which also indicates that his youth system has not always produced players of the level required by Arsenal, though the compensation is that the players can be sold. SilkTork ✔Tea time 21:56, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Have sourced this now. -- Lemonade51 (talk) 21:50, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Ref 14 is the source for the 'electrical engineering' -- Lemonade51 (talk) 23:16, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've looked at that source - it says "His masters degree in Economics from Strasbourg University - he also has a degree in Electrical Engineering...". The problem here is that while we do have sources which say a) he has a masters and b) that he has two degrees, that the sources which are closest to Wenger, such as his employer's website, and in depth interviews given by him and also by his mother, indicate that he has one degree. We need to be cautious here, and go with the closest sources which indicate he has the one economics degree, but make a footnote that some sources say he has two. It is possible he does have the two, but it is also possible that there has been a mistake in translation at some point in the past, and this mistake is being perpetuated and spread because it sounds interesting that a football manager should have two degrees including a masters. SilkTork ✔Tea time 10:47, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • The Marseille paragraph at the end of the Monaco section is a little unclear. I wondered at first if he had worked there, but reading again it is intended to provide fuller details on his comment about corruption. The amount of detail is a lot, especially as it is mainly external to Wenger. SilkTork ✔Tea time 12:16, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm reading through the Relations with others section and wondered how much observations like this may be included. Wenger has in the past been publicly supportive of his players even when they were clearly in the wrong, and while this got him a reputation as a dirty manager, it does appear to have been a deliberate tactic in being supportive of his players, no matter what, in order to create a positive atmosphere. SilkTork ✔Tea time 13:02, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This would also relate to the Team indiscipline and fair play subsection. And talking of that, is "73 red cards between 1996 and 2008" a lot, average, or a small amount? That's 6 a year. SilkTork ✔Tea time 13:04, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It was 50 red cards during Wenger's first six years in charge. Which is a staggering amount. But in his defence, he joined a club notorious for disciplinary problems. Journalists would not compare his red card situation with other managers because the others haven't been in their jobs for so long. As for 'relations with others', he has said he can never be friends with managers because of 'mistrust': "There are managers I respect, and I respect what they do, but you cannot be completely friendly and open up." -- Lemonade51 (talk) 13:25, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a source somewhere for red cards? I looked here and that says Arsenal got 60 red cards between 1992-2011. I looked here and that indicates that, including two yellows = a red, there were 31 sending offs between 1996 and 2008. I'm not yet seeing that Arsenal got more red cards than other teams. Where are these writers getting their figures from? One says 73, another says 50, while other sources give different amounts which work out at around 3 a year, which appears to be the average. I wonder if your second source of 50 red cards meant to say 50 cards in total, including yellow. A proper source for red cards would be very useful right now! SilkTork ✔Tea time 14:29, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This?, from between 1996 and 2008 might be a start. In all competitions, not exclusive to the Premier League. -- Lemonade51 (talk) 14:44, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And I have got this, which doesn't show Arsenal as sticking out. Indeed, looking at the averages, it seems that Arsenal is pretty average. Perhaps the red card count should be left out as being too misleading? We don't want to start wandering into original research, and we don't want to be including sources which are misleading or inaccurate. If there are a number of sources which mention the number of red cards and they agree with other, then yes - but otherwise, we are on rocky ground. SilkTork ✔Tea time 15:00, 19 May 2012 (UTC) [reply]

That Daily Mail list looks fairly authoritative as it has the dates and players booked. Funny enough if you do a search on "arsenal red cards under wenger" then the number 73 keeps coming up, so there must be something in it. I would like an official source, but if none can be found, then it seems we have to go with that figure. SilkTork ✔Tea time 15:17, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I work out it is 75 between the years 1996 and 2008. When that Daily Mail article was published in February 2008, it was 72, but a month later, another player was sent off, so the count went up. And in the following season, Adebayor and Van Persie were sent off. So it's 73 between Sept 1996 and Mar 2008, but there isn't a source for that. I guess 72 would be fine for now, providing it states the time period. -- Lemonade51 (talk) 15:30, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, I would go with that. I checked the game reports at arseweb (a fan site) and the red cards all checked out. I assume the stats sites I looked at are simply not accurate. SilkTork ✔Tea time 15:34, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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*Prose. The prose is functional and mostly conveys the appropriate information - however it could do with a copyedit as there are some statements that perplex rather than inform: "after six years he ended his playing career and completed his studies at the University of Strasbourg." What studies? Why mention that here in the first paragraph of the lead? "As a manager, Wenger achieved greater triumph and recognition." Greater than what? I assume this means greater than his playing, but it's not clear. "...is a French football manager and former player." This is ambiguous - it sounds like he is the manager of the French national team. "Before he took up the reins at the club..." - a casual colloquialism that is unnecessary and potentially misleading; in addition it is not fully clear what the statement is intending to say. Is it that he was in negotiation with these players while still at Nancy? Some sentence structures could be arranged for better clarity - example: "It was there he hired former Valenciennes manager Boro Primorac, whom he had met during the 1993 match-fixing scandal involving Olympique de Marseille, as his assistant." could be arranged as: "It was there he hired as his assistant former Valenciennes manager Boro Primorac, whom he had met during the 1993 match-fixing scandal involving Olympique de Marseille." SilkTork ✔Tea time 21:42, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Lead. To meet GA criteria 1(b), which relates to specific manual of style guidelines, the article needs to comply with the advice in WP:LEAD. That is, in addition to being an introduction, the lead needs to be an adequate overview of the whole of the article. As a rough guide, each major section in the article should be represented with an appropriate summary in the lead. Also, the article should provide further details on all the things mentioned in the lead. And, the first few sentences should mention the most notable features of the article's subject - the essential facts that every reader should know.
General comments
Have addressed. -- Lemonade51 (talk) 22:48, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Query - probably outside the GA criteria. I've just shuffled some of the sections slightly. It tends to be conventional to have the personal section after the professional section, etc. I'm looking at the remaining sections and wondering about the sub-section of Playing career in Early life. Some of the material there is not about his playing, it's about his education. Should Early life be one section? I also wondered if the Arsenal section is too long as one section (or sub-section). And also wondered if the statistics section should go before the Plaudits and awards section; and if the Plaudits and awards section actually belonged in or with the Honours section. SilkTork ✔Tea time 21:35, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Have merged the early life with playing career. If, going by Bobby Robson and Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players, honours and plaudits should come before the statistics. As for Arsenal, I'll have a go at trimming it down, per WP:WEIGHT. -- Lemonade51 (talk) 21:50, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In those examples they have personal details before the professional statistics. O well! I'll leave the section layout as part of ongoing development. SilkTork ✔Tea time 10:53, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cite formatting is not part of GA, so this is just a general comment. When I find that a text has been scanned and is available on Googlebooks I tend to link to the page - in doing that I use the full citation method as that is the most common one used on Wikipedia. I note that this article sometimes uses short citation and sometimes full. It's OK for GA purposes to have a mix of short and full (indeed, you can use a bare url and that is acceptable for GA, though it would draw comments!), but if you wanted to take this on to FA the reviewers there have a strict interpretation of cite formatting which means they like to have the same formatting throughout an article, so you'd need to make a decision as to which way to go - short or full. I have just put in a full citation linking to the cited page - if you want to go to all short, then you'd need to undo my cite and put back the short one. I have no problem with that, though I would recommend that before doing that you consider the advantages of the more informative full citation and the usefulness of a direct link to the cited page. Some editors prefer the look and neatness of the short citation method. Each to their own! SilkTork ✔Tea time 11:40, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Last push

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This is a very decent article. Plenty of detail, presented in a clear and readable manner, with areas of uncertainty explained. Two areas that still need attention - there was discussion above about including material covering recent critical comments on Wenger's youth policy; that still needs to be done. And the lead needs a final brush up to ensure it does summarise all of the main sections in the article. To be honest, I doubt I'll fail if the work is not done (I'd probably have a go at doing it myself), but to be fair, a decent attempt at tackling it should be done. I'll hold for another seven days to allow the work to be done. SilkTork ✔Tea time 20:07, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • I've just expanded the lead a bit. It was crudely done, so needs tidying, but that, along with the extra material you've added, are enough to meet the GA criteria. I'll now list as a Good Article. SilkTork ✔Tea time 12:38, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Letter to Lacey

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Please include Wenger's (somewhat belated) personal letter of congratulations to the Donegal player Karl Lacey on his team's victory and his award. It's so exciting and demonstrates the growing interest among practitioners of both codes! [1] [2]

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<ref>{{cite news|first=Declan|last=Whooley|url=http://joe.ie/gaa/gaa-news/karl-lacey-gets-fanmailfrom-arsene-wenger-0030952-1|title=Karl Lacey gets fanmail...from Arsene Wenger|work=JOE.ie|date=28 November 2012|accessdate=28 November 2012}}</ref>
<ref>{{cite news|first=Colm|last=Keys|url=http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/gunners-fan-lacey-thrilled-with-letter-of-praise-from-wenger-3308897.html|title=Gunners fan Lacey thrilled with letter of praise from Wenger|newspaper=Irish Independent|publisher=Independent News & Media|date=28 November 2012|accessdate=28 November 2012}}</ref>

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.205.41 (talk • contribs)

Not done for now: - I think, as this is a good article, it would be best if there was consensus for this addition - hopefully some of the regular editors of this article can "weigh in". I took the liberty of formatting the code a bit to make it easier for an editor to add, if that's the consensus. Hope you don't mind. Thanks for providing the full reference code with your request - it's appreciated. Begoon talk 04:39, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bradford game

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I was a bit surprised to see my adding of the Bradford defeat to the managerial career section removed. Surely exiting a cup competition to a side three divisions below Arsenal is significant? Sparhelda 01:02, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

It is, but only to an extent. Wenger's managerial section should not be a running commentary of games he has won or lost -- if it was like that, the topic would be brimful. The place for that is here or there. Unless the Bradford defeat coincides with Wenger resigning, then I suggest against adding it. A season summary should be dealt with once the season ends. Lemonade51 (talk) 12:50, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, I take the point that you can't cluster up these pages by mentioning too many results. I felt it was worth a mention with it being Wenger's worst ever defeat in terms of the opposition being very lower league, but I won't be going into an edit war over it. :) Sparhelda 19:00, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Article changes

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My reasons for reverting changes are simple: the additions do not add to the flow of the article. One section is comprehensive enough, another is a cut and paste job with a heading that does not construe with what it is saying. Just because I'm choosing to revert doesn't mean I own the article -- it's already a GA and it was pretty stable before, just from reading outside I don't think it adds anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Footballistically (talk • contribs) 06:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Using words like "I don't think" is a matter of your opinion. Use this page to form consensus, and more specifically, ask for someone from WP:WPF to come re-assess the the article. This page is a Good Article, former Featured Article candidate, and is about the manager of one of the largest football clubs in the UK. Possible progress toward Featured status must not be suppressed by one editor with one viewpoint. Form consensus, and edit from there. Do not do it the other way around. --Fbifriday (talk) 06:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the "Influx of foreigners" section, it should not be just about the controversy over the all non-British starting eleven that Wenger fielded in a 2005 match, as this alone could stoke Anglophobia. Rather it should be about how Wenger was one of the first Premier League managers to place a big emphasis on foreigners (more so than Manchester United and Chelsea) during the late 1990s, thanks to an assist from Bergkamp, and that it paid off with 3 Premier League titles. Limefrost Spiral (talk) 16:29, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Have tidied up the prose and removed references which do not say the same thing as the Wikipedia entry. The RVP bit where he refused to sign a contract because of Fabregas/Nasri leaving is WP:OR -- no one knows that for sure and the ref you put was a news piece on Van Persie's transfer to United...which said NOTHING about him leaving because of Arsenal selling Fabregas, etc. Footballistically (talk) 17:31, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Satisfied with the current wording, no further objects.Limefrost Spiral (talk) 03:34, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 28 April 2013

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Wenger trained Nagoya Grampus Eight from 9 Dec. 1994, not 1995 as listed in "team managed" in the textbox

83.109.0.87 (talk) 16:17, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The source currently listed in the article text states January 1995.  — daranz [ t ] 20:57, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Definitive source for playing position?

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Here's Arsene Wenger himself claiming he was a midfielder (when asked to compare Aaron Ramsey and Gareth Bale):

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-on-title-race-and-ramsey

--Mozart Face (talk) 19:51, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Trophy Drought

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Should we include in the lede, after it says "football pundits have questioned his ambition to win trophies in recent years," that Arsenal has not won a trophy for 9 years under him as manager? I think it's important information, and also one of the most important criticisms of his career. Adamh4 (talk) 21:44, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"this in spite of the club's trophy drought." should be removed as it is outdated. They have now one 3 trophies in the last 13 months. Adamh4's remarks are obviously also now outdated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.184.8 (talk) 15:55, 31 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 September 2014

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Jamesjones2 (talk) 21:20, 1 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not done This is not an edit request. Whatdo you want to be done? Please write in "please change X to Y"-form and provide reliable sources. QED237 (talk) 21:23, 1 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2015

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Preceded by FA Cup Winning Coach
2014 		Succeeded by
Incumbent

Faridjanipour (talk) 10:38, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - needs updating at ends of season - Arjayay (talk) 15:04, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2015

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Awards and achievements
Preceded by FA Cup Winning Coach
1998 		Succeeded by
Preceded by FA Cup Winning Coach
2002 & 2003 		Succeeded by
Preceded by FA Cup Winning Coach
2005 		Succeeded by
Preceded by FA Cup Winning Coach
2014 & 2015 		Succeeded by
Incumbent

}} Faridjanipour (talk) 13:51, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - Thanks for pointing that out - Arjayay (talk) 13:59, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2015

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Ed woolArsenal (talk) 23:34, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done No request made. @Ed woolArsenal: What changes do you want to be made and why? Please also provide source for any change. Qed237 (talk) 23:58, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Preparation section mentioning creatine

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Second paragraph: "Until 2004, he encouraged his players to take Creatine (sic) for increased stamina". Creatine should not be capitalised within a sentence. Even if the original link makes the error. It is a natural compound, not a brand or trademarked product.

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2018

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ADD OBE to name as it is an award which is acknowledged in the body of the text but not in the infobox Thecurrentaffairswiz (talk) 17:21, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done See WP:POSTNOM. We only do it in the introduction. Stickee (talk) 04:37, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2018

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It states that in the 2017-18 season that Arsenal failed to advance from their Champions League group. This is not correct; Arsenal did not participate in the 2017-18 Champions League because they did not qualify. They did, however, win their Europa League group. Mxrosenberg (talk) 01:54, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Also, it is not clear from the sources I have been able to find that "...failed to advance from their Champions League group..." and "...failed to qualify..." are actually different things. Sources appear to indicate that clubs qualify for the Champions League playoffs by advancing from their league group. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:44, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Arsenal did not even qualify to play in a Champions League Group. Have corrected by removing the sentence. Greenman (talk) 18:50, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Greenman:, thank you for answering the question and for your assistance. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:00, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Le professeur - translation

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After consulting with French speakers and careful research, I have fixed the oft-repeated and classic error of mistranslating the title professeur, in French, to the English professor. This is not the meaning of the French word as it is used in France and Francophone countries. Most professors in France have a different appellation, e.g. le professeur de chaire; l'enseignant universitaire; l'enseignant de faculté; which Larousse and every other credible French dictionary, confirms. Be clear, this correction is not any sort of disrespect; it merely truly represents the actual meaning of Mr Wenger's original French sobriquet, and understands the word professeur in the way he, as a Frenchman, would. Trevor H. (UK) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trevor H. (talk • contribs) 01:09, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki facts wrong again

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After a period of nine years without a trophy, which coincided with the club relocating to the Emirates Stadium.

It was 9 year gap between trophies it’s 8 years 11 months get your facts right for once wiki Londonguy77777 (talk) 14:02, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dein is never identified

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Arsene Wenger retirement

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I have noticed that there are still sections on his page that still say he is the manager of arsenal, he has now retire. Under clubs it should say arsenal 1996-2018, and it should say he was the manager not is. Can this now be updated please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.140.240.35 (talk) 18:19, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

3.3.5

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In section 3.3.5, final paragraph, it says "However, in the 2017–18 FA Cup, Arsenal lost to Nottingham Forest in the third round of the FA Cup". Please can we remove the second reference to the FA Cup in the same sentence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.169.190.93 (talk) 19:21, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cite error

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In the "Managerial statistics" section there is an invalid reference (currently 422). This is just an undefined ref name without any other details, see the cite error in referencs. it should be removed to resolve the cite error message. 92.5.2.97 (talk) 19:54, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

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On what should take precedence, Wenger managing the most PL games or being Arsenal's longest-serving manager and changing perceptions:

  • "He transformed more than just his club, though. Possibly more than any other manager in history, Wenger changed the nature of English soccer. Not just, as is always trotted out...", Rory Smith, New York Times [3]
  • ""Arsene Who?" was putting Arsenal's foundations in place and blazing a trail for foreign managers ... Wenger will be remembered as the manager who opened the doors." BBC Sport, [4]
  • "Kroenke praised Wenger's "exceptional record", adding that he "transformed the identity of our club and of English football with his vision for how the game can be played"," BBC Sport [5]
  • "Wenger will retire three months short of his 69th birthday, in the process bringing to an end one of the great, transformative, utterly distinctive careers in British sport ... More than this Wenger has been both a reforming force in British football and a figure that reached out way beyond the remit of his sport. Those first few years in England are notorious to the point of cliche for the infectious cultural changes enacted around a grand old club that had fallen into a state of lager-stained despond by the middle of the 1990s," Barney Ronay, Guardian [6]
  • "Few modern managers have had as profound an impact on one club as Wenger, whose long reign ultimately will be remembered more for the glorious history than underwhelming end", Amy Lawrence, Guardian, [7]
  • "Wenger’s transformational work changed the team that attracted routine cries of “Boring, boring Arsenal” into the most watchable side in the country. More than that, he managed to assemble a group of players who did not just play with artistic merit but were also tough as teak," Daniel Taylor, Guardian

In other words, we shouldn't be drawing attention to managing X amount of games in the first para, when his legacy is far greater than that. As recognised by the journos. Lemonade51 (talk) 09:33, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2021

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Under the "Approach and Philosophy" section under the "Preparation" title it says "Wenger lead training sessions", the word "lead" should be changed to "led" because the sentence is in the past tense. 82.132.232.224 (talk) 16:47, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done DigitalChutney (talk) 18:19, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Managerial stats

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The stats for Arsenal are right but the ones for Nancy, Monaco and Nagoya are incorrect. For the French clubs the number of games listed is only the league games, without the French Cup and Europe. The source does include the correct totals but has the W/D/L as percentages for each season which I really cannot be bothered to work out. For Nagoya the figure is what the source says, but this seems to be missing the Emperor's Cup run from his first season and the Super Cup from his second season (so these would need separate sources if counted, which I think they should be). Unless I'm mistaken? Gran2 22:20, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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