Talk:Ariana Grande

Lead update and more (November)

This section has been split from Talk:Ariana_Grande/Archive_8#Lead update and more for readability/accessibility. Aoi (青い) (talk) 02:45, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Please don't forget to add the information above. Also, Grande has now 18 songs with a billion streams. Update it. + Grande has relesed 18 fragrances so far. Four were released this year. https://tribune.com.pk/story/2486699/ariana-grande-unveils-global-fragrance-line-lovenotes Mirrored7 (talk) 20:45, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Why have you removed the information of her having all her albums achieving platinum status from the lead?

For the third time, please add, that she was with her dancer Ricky Alvarez. They both were in a relationship for over a year. She even mentioned him in her single "Thank U, Next". Mirrored7 (talk) 03:48, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Don't you think that line is a little redundant for an already somewhat long last paragraph?

I think that having it stated and sourced in the prose/body of the article is more than enough, alluding it to being something significant. But considering the size and stature of name/artist Grande is, that information does not feel as important/worth mentioning in the article's lead. Artists like Taylor Swift, Rihanna, Beyoncé, and Nicki Minaj also have all of their albums certified platinum status or higher, but when you look over at their article leads, that is not mentioned.

Maybe once Eternal Sunshine and Positions are certified double (or higher) platinum—the latter which has been eligible for higher since nearly two years now—the line can be readded that all of her albums are certified "multiplatinum" or higher.

Ben | he/him (talk) 10:22, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 For the top: Describing "Wicked" as only musical fantasy is a bit unspecific. Let's rephrase it to "the film adaptation of the fantasy musical Wicked (2024)". Mirrored7 (talk) 21:20, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Would the (2024) be after:

Wicked (2024) (which would link to the musical) or after film adaptation (2024)?

Also, is it better "returned to acting with Don't Look Up and [Wicked mention]" or should it be "and starred as Glinda in [Wicked mention]", since she already returned to acting in 2021?

Ben | he/him (talk) 22:44, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

After film adaptation (2024).

"She returned to acting with the political satire Don't Look Up (2021) and starred as Glinda in the film adapation of the fantasy musical Wicked (2024)." @Ben0006

Also, please remove Fergie as one of the artists, Grande was inspired by. The article is over ten years ago, she only mentions the song specifically, not her as an artist. There are also no other sources other than that one, I could find. Mirrored7 (talk) 08:09, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Edit: I rephrased again.

"...and starred as Glinda in the musical fantasy film Wicked (2024)." People will eventually know, that this is a film adaptation of the broadway musical.

Again, remove Fergie from her influences section. She only mentions the song "Clumsy", not the singer specifically.

Thanks. Mirrored7 (talk) 14:35, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@PHShanghai While I appreciate your recent changes. Why you removed genres like Pop & EDM? After her debut album, she clearly experimented with more genres than R&B. Also "Into You" wasn't as big as the others songs globally. No need to mention that. The mention of the number one debuts, was better before, as it puts in retroperspective. The record will be clearly be broken sooner or later. Mirrored7 (talk) 09:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Pop and R&B have been and will continue to be her main genres for almost every single album she's put out. The only time she ever deviated from a traditional Pop & R&B album was Sweetener andTUN, and that was only because she included more trap influences while still keeping her urban pop sound. "Into You" was a pretty big global hit imo, but if you want to replace it with something else from the Dangerous Woman era, go ahead.

Additionally, she still holds the record for the most number one debuts for a female artist. If that will be broken by someone else then we will change it; otherwise, if she's currently holding the record for most number one debuts, then she should keep it per WP:CRYSTALBALL rule. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 11:44, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

She still experimented with other music generes on her albums. This should be pointed out in the lead.

She holds the record in general in general, not only for female artists. Mirrored7 (talk) 13:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006

(There was nothing wrong with the first paragraph, please revert):

Grande's debut studio album, Yours Truly (2013), incorporated retro-pop and R&B elements and yielded the successful single "The Way". My Everything (2014), her second album, experimented with EDM and contained the internationally successful singles "Problem", "Break Free", and the RIAA diamond-certified "Bang Bang". Grande further explored pop and R&B with her third album Dangerous Woman (2016), which solidified her critical and commercial success.

...and made Grande the first solo artist to simultaneously occupy the top three positions on the chart ALONG with "Break Up with Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored".

She broke the record for the most number-one debuts in Hot 100 history

(She broke the record in general, not only for women).

After a musical hiatus, Grande ventured into dance music on her seventh album. Mirrored7 (talk) 10:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

The first paragraph was fine but the condensation and bringing of two albums into joint material stated together is much easier to read and comprehend, imo.

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About the musicality of those two albums is included, and the sentence about the Dangerous Woman album does feel pretty redundant, in a manner that it stretches the paragraph, due to the "further explored [genres]" and "solidified her success" line. The latter was added to the new sentence and the old version seemed like that was just stated for the sake of having something to say about the album, when there isn't much to say about it in the lead, worth mentioning seperately, unless it's something about its role in her artistry, musical composition, or any records or awards.

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In regard to the mention of dance music, there needs to be an explicit mention of that in some source, or it can be replaced with a mention of the album containing dance elements and influences, rather than being a primarily dance-oriented body itself. Maybe that line can be rephrased. Let me know if you have any ideas.

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Ben | he/him (talk) 20:11, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006

Grande continued to blend pop, dance, and R&B influences on her next albums, My Everything (2014), and Dangerous Woman (2016), solidifying her critical and commercial success. How is that?

Don't forget to add "along" before "Break Up with Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored".

Also PLEASE remove Mac Miller. Remove Into You, and put Side to Side after Bang Bang. Thanks! Mirrored7 (talk) 21:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

1. After a musical hiatus, Grande released her dance-influenced, Eternal Sunshine (2024), which received critical acclaim and...

2. Also remove "Into You". It's not known, as the other songs. Mirrored7 (talk) 07:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Don't forget to remove "Into You" from the lead. The other songs peaked all in the top five in countries like US, UK and Australia, while "Into You" didn't. It's a fan favourite, but not one of her biggest songs. Mirrored7 (talk) 18:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

"One Last Time" was a hit in many European markets, could it replace "Into You" in the lead?

And should synth-pop be added to the dance influence part?

Ben | he/him (talk) 20:11, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@Bluesatellite Can you revert "the rose to fame" part? The word "appear" is already mentioned a sentence before. It's redundant. Mirrored7 (talk) 22:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Also, "Die For You" and "Save Your Tears" weren't number one debuts.

1. Remove Mac Miller. All the songs that have features, are not mentioned. That shouldn't be too.

2. Maybe combine the genres for both two albums, EDM, Pop, R&B. "...experimented or explored with EDM, Pop and R&B. Remove "Into You", as it didn't reach top ten in either US or UK. Also "Side to Side" came after "Bang Bang".

3. ...the top three positions on the chart ALONG with "Break Up with Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored".

(It reads better with the along, add it again)

4. She broke the number one debut record in general, not just for a woman.

Also link the articles to the genres. You forgot too add it for: retro-pop, EDM, dance music Mirrored7 (talk) 20:26, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

@Mirrored7: Not everything should be mentioned on the lead section, which has been quite bloated. You had played ownership on this article for such long time, just let go now. Those Grammy nominations and Billboard Hot 100 trivia could be mentioned on the lead sections of awards article, discography article, or their respective albums and songs. Thank you. Bluesatellite (talk) 01:38, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@Bluesatellite Have you seen Beyonce's and Miley Cyrus lead? This is quite bloated. How you can have such double standard? In the last days, a huge chunk of Ariana Grande's lead has been removed, unnecessary too. How much do you want to remove already? Her breaking a record 60 year old chart record or having her only AOTY nomination is NOT just "everything". Mirrored7 (talk) 01:47, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Don't look up to worse articles. Please take notes from WP:FA articles such as Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, or Lady Gaga. Taylor has many many Hot 100 chart records and they are not mentioned on her lead section either. Per MOS:INTRO, opening paragraphs should briefly summarize the most important points. Bluesatellite (talk) 01:57, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@Bluesatellite

Well, I understand that.

However, someone like Taylor Swift had a much successful and longer career, so it's not that comparable.

Still, can you at least add that part with the Billboard record and the AOTY nod. You can also phrased it differently.

Also, the singles with the Weeknd, didn't debut at number one. Mirrored7 (talk) 02:20, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006

1. Re-add "Grande began her career at age 15" by appearing in the Broadway musical 13 (2008), and "as well as" to "rose to prominence as Cat Valentine in the Nickelodeon television series...

2. remove "streaming" from "broke several records".

3. remove "top 50" and re-add "among" in the Rolling Stone mention. Change "top 10" to "top ten" in the Billboard mention.

4. also remove "...both the highest for any artist emerging since the 2010s." and re-add "Grande was named Woman of the Year (2018) and the most successful female artist to emerge in the 2010s" right after Instagram mention. Mirrored7 (talk) 00:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@Bluesatellite First of all, great work! Can you re-add that part "while the latter was nominated for Album of the Year, breaking several records. Grande became the first solo artist to occupy the top three spots on the U.S. chart with the aforementioned songs along with "Break Up with Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored".

Grande only was once nominated for AOTY and the Billboard record was very important to her career. It should be mentioned in the lead. Mirrored7 (talk) 01:31, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006

1. Replace "Grande began her acting career by appearing in the Broadway musical 13 (2008), as well as the Nickelodeon television series Victorious (2010–2013) and its spin-off series Sam & Cat (2013–2014)" to "Grande began her career by appearing in the Broadway musical 13 (2008), and to rose to prominence as Cat Valentine in the Nickelodeon television series Victorious (2010–2013) and its spin-off series Sam & Cat (2013–2014)"

2. remove "top 50" in the Rolling Stone mention. Change "top 10" to "top ten" in the Billboard mention.

3. also remove "...both the highest for any artist emerging since the 2010s" and re-add "Grande was named Woman of the Year (2018) and the most successful female artist to emerge in the 2010s" right after Instagram mention.

4. re-add ..." Grande became the first solo artist to occupy the top three spots on the U.S. chart with the aforementioned songs, right after mention of "Thank U, Next" and "7 Rings". Mirrored7 (talk) 11:43, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Thanks! Also remove "streaming" from "several records", maybe "breaking several chart records; she became the first solo artist to occupy the top three spots on the U.S. chart with the aforementioned songs." Mirrored7 (talk) 12:24, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@Mirrored7:, this is not a comment on the merit of your suggested edits. However, it would be much more constructive if you engaged directly with Bluesatellite instead of directing another editor to revert Bluesatellite's edits on your behalf to get around your page ban. Aoi (青い) (talk) 14:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Please: Re-add that part, after breaking several records; "Grande became the first solo artist to simultaneously occupy the top three spots on the U.S. chart with the aforementioned songs."

It's a significant record, that hasn't been broken since the Beatles.

Also remove "streaming" from breaking several records, to stay conistent, with no mention of streaming in the lead. Mirrored7 (talk) 19:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006

Please don't forget fo add the Billboard record. It's a historical record, the same as Katy Perry has her 5 #1s record on her lead.

Update the number of Billboard nominations in "Awards and recognition". She has 42 now.

Remove Fergie as the source of influence. 1. There's only one source that states that. 2. Grande hasn't mention her as influence in years. Also the source is not recent and from a decade ago. Mirrored7 (talk) 15:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Update “positive reviews” to “critical acclaim" from critics” in her career section. Also, remove the worldwide gross. It's not the total yet and it's predicted to finish in 700 to 800 million range. Mirrored7 (talk) 14:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 also change journalists to critics. there's a difference to both. Mirrored7 (talk) 16:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Update to more recent image:

File:Ariana Grande (Wicked Premiere in LA).jpg Mirrored7 (talk) 07:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Add "She also has a large social media following, being the sixth-most-followed individual on Instagram" at the very end of the lead. Suits more. Mirrored7 (talk) 13:50, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Re-etablish "Impact" section

Hello guys, I don't know why Ariana's Impact section was deleted and why its content was moved to the "awards and recognition" section, but I demand that the Impact section be restored, because it is obvious that Ariana already has her place within the music industry and her impact on pop culture is undeniable, so please, I call the motion to restore what was already there, please. 2800:BF0:60:F22:91A8:2AB7:D321:91B0 (talk) 12:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. The change was pointless. Can you fix this? @Ben0006 Grande has made enough of an impact in the industry that she deserves her own "Impact" section and the "Achievements" section is long enough already.

Grande will most likely be placed in the top ten of the "Billboard’s Greatest Pop Stars of the 21st Century" this month. So, let's wait until then, so the section can be updated, with more content. Mirrored7 (talk) 20:47, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

@Mirrored7

Oh thank u so much, please do everything to restore the Impact section. Personally i think it was unfair to remove it because Ariana certainly has impact on music industry and life overall. 186.65.53.238 (talk) 14:35, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi guys, we talked about reestablishing Ariana's impact section, but it's been a month and there hasn't even been an attempt to do so, can you please make it happen? It is unfair that an artist of Ariana's level does not have it and other artists do. 2800:BF0:60:F22:38AF:4096:C6E:F25C (talk) 22:21, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Again, can you fix this? Orginally there was a "Achievements" and "Impact" section both which are now "Awards and recognitions". Look it up and revert it.

Edits:

https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Ariana_Grande&diff=prev&oldid=1239434628

https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Ariana_Grande&diff=prev&oldid=1239434825 Mirrored7 (talk) 14:58, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I'll look into it and revert it. I will just check and make sure that any new content added since the change, is not deleted.

Reformatting later today. Thanks!

Ben | he/him (talk) 16:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Great. Thanks! Mirrored7 (talk) 11:09, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi there, so it's a perfect time to restore Impact section since the greatest pop stars 21st century article came out and we can add some of it. Thanks!

https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/ariana-grande-greatest-pop-stars-21st-century-1235804073/ 186.65.52.87 (talk) 20:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Great work! @Ben0006 While you are it, can you finally re-establish the "Achievements" and "Impact" section?

There are some good points from the new Billboard article, that showcases Grande's impact in pop music;

Her influence on newer pop artists;

"Trace that ring from start to finish, and you’ll witness something fascinating; a young woman who managed not only to transform her pain into prosperity, but created a mold-breaking model for success. The career framework Grande built has only benefitted recent pop ingénues like Sabrina Carpenter and Tate McRae, who’ve capitalized on her streaming-focused strategies and sweetly melodic (and slyly winking) pop&B sound to rocket-launch their own music. Ariana Grande consciously changed how pop music is perceived and enjoyed by the masses, in a way a new generation of fans and artists will forever be so f–king grateful for."

Billboard stating that Grande’s “thank u, next” is an album that reshaped the entire music streaming industry;

"Where Adele had revit album sales in 2010, Grande became proof of concept at how the streaming era could generate gargantuan pop idols in the modern music business. Curating the social media experience for her army of Arianators over the course of her career paid dividends in Grande’s modern eras, as her loyal fan base rallied to support their fave at all costs, even as they occasionally crossed the line with comments about her image and personal life. She learned from the prolificacy of her hip-hop contemporaries like Drake that more was more when it came to content creation. Putting those two skills together, Grande became the artist to beat in the streaming game. " Mirrored7 (talk) 12:56, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Would the Impact section be well sized enough to split though?

And I believe much of that will be converted into prose, to avoid too many quotes.

Ben | he/him (talk) 17:21, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Probably, if we add the Billboard article. I have some similar articles/sources about Grande's impact, I can later post in here. It should be similar to the likes of Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Bruno Mars or Adele's Impact/Legacy sections. We definitely could get it to 3-4 sections.

I know this needs some time, and is not as easy, because of phrasing and adding sources, so please don't rush. I just want to make sure, you have it on your radar. Mirrored7 (talk) 19:33, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Sounds perfect.

Yes, it will take time, but will be done gradually. (Some) content about honors by publications and artists inspired/influenced is there already.

The excerpts you shared from the Billboard article will be added eventually.

Ben | he/him (talk) 19:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi everybody. So since the Christina Aguilera's interview from Rolling Stone came out she said this about Ariana and her production skills: “i’m not the girl who sits behind a line board visually & does my own. i’m like, God bless, Ariana, i’m not that girl”. If you can add this on Impact section would be amazing, something similar what Katy Perry said. Thank you so much for your labor.

https://youtube/jGwkU0DC8ec?si=kVxD6HWxRvryH3FL 2800:BF0:60:F22:8527:F403:EB60:5B8D (talk) 10:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Spotify metrics in lead

Per WP:BADCHART, her statistics being the most streamed person on Spotify etc cannot be in the lead as it goes against Wikipedia's content guidelines that charts pertaining to one retailer/music provider should not be used. Ergo, this is the same reason why iTunes or Amazon Music charts are not used in Wikipedia articles. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 14:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

The 98 billion info should still be re-added. It's important, as it as its describes her as the most streamed artist in general, and there is no mention of Spotify or other provider in it. Mirrored7 (talk) 18:58, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Please re-add the 98 billion data. Thanks. Mirrored7 (talk) 19:01, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Upon reviewing WP:BADCHART, PHShanghai's edit was indeed consistent with that guideline (BADCHART and WP:CHART apply to prose as well as discography charts). Unless there is a compelling reason (and consensus) to bypass a Wikipedia content guideline (and I don't see either here), this shouldn't be readded. Aoi (青い) (talk) 19:16, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

In what way goes this sentence: "With over 98 billion streams globally, she is the most-streamed female act as of 2021", aginst the guideline? It's described without naming any provider like Amazon/Spotify specifically. Isn't it the reason why it was removed in the first place? @Aoi Mirrored7 (talk) 20:00, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't think the guideline's intention is that a single retailer chart is ok to use, just as long as you don't say which chart. That would be even worse. I think the problem is not with including a count of Spotify streams, but in the use of a Spotify chart that ranks that count against others. That's a fair point. While Spotify is a major player in streaming, it is only one platform. Its counts are not necessarily representative of streaming activity across the entire internet. Which is a bias the guideline is about avoiding. I assume the 98 billion figure is across all platforms? Where does it come from, is it sourced?--Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 21:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, those numbers are in general. It's sourced by two reliable sources. I would agree to remove the Spotify numbers, they are still in her Achievements section anyway. However, her having 98 billion streams across all streaming platforms, is a rare achievement and one of her biggest accomplishments, which should stay in the lead. Especially as it not says Spotify or any other platform specifically. @Escape Orbit Mirrored7 (talk) 22:11, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I think I misunderstood Mirrored's proposal. It looks like the 98 billion figure is sourced in the article body to this article, which reads in part, By age 28, she released six albums which have all gone platinum and has surpassed 98 billion streams globally – she's Spotify’s most streamed female artist of the past decade – while rapidly becoming one of the biggest pop stars of our generation with her powerhouse vocals and unmatched presence both on stage and with her fans. It's not clear whether the 98 billion streams is a Spotify-only figure, but Spotify is mentioned in the same sentence.

The article also doesn't say anything about being "the most streamed female act [ever]." That's from a second source, this article, which says Grande recently surpassed 90 billion streams consumed worldwide, the most ever by a female artist.

The way the sentence is proposed to be written, it reads like WP:SYNTH since there's no source that directly references both the 98 billion streams and the "most-streamed female act" part. Given the Synth issue and the fact that the two sources cite different figures, I would propose simply leaving out the figure altogether and just say that, as of 2021, she was the most-streamed female artist worldwide. Aoi (青い) (talk) 22:14, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

First source was from April 2021, which stated that she recently surpassed 90 billion consumed streams, the most by ANY female artist. The second was from months later, November 2021, stating 98 billion. I would trust the later more, as it's the most recent. She only recently surpassed 50 billion streams on Spotify, so I doubt this comes from the platform only, especially in 2021. Those numbers are mostly from Spotify, Apple Music and YouTube.

Just re-add the senetence with the 98 billion data as it was. There's nothing wrong with that, it's all sourced and doesn't go against guidelines. Mirrored7 (talk) 22:44, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Unless you provide a source that explicitly states: "Grande has surpassed 98 billion streams across multiple streaming platforms including Spotify, Apple Music and YouTube", I don't see why the data should be re-added to the lead when there's not enough sources to support it.

Furthermore, why is this information lead-worthy and not on Ariana Grande singles discography or the Achievements section instead? What does her high amount of streams contribute to the conversation regarding her commercial success; which we can use other metrics for instead, like her amount of Billboard Hot 100 number ones? Why does the content need to be included? PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 08:51, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Why you need a source that explicitly states it. It's obvious why what is meant by that. Grande has been very successful in streaming, why not mention it in the lead? There are two major sources of the 98 billion streams info. So we should ignore her streaming accomplishments all together, just because you're not satisfied with it? Mirrored7 (talk) 09:26, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Because every text in every Wikipedia article requires a clear and reliable source, per WP:RS. Using two vague sources to conclude something is WP:SYNT. I didn't say her streaming accomplishments should be ignored; I said that her streaming accomplishments should be sourced properly according to the guidelines. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 11:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

They are sourced properly. It depends, on what mean with "properly". For me, the source has been very clear. And since the three years the source has been up, no one has ever complained about it either. Mirrored7 (talk) 13:10, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

I look up the sources again. It 98 billion is the most recent reported number. "The most by any female artist", which makes her the most streamed female artist, AT LEAST for that time, that's why, "as of 2021". Since then, there has been no higher figure reported for any other female artist. It has no provider listed, it has TWO reliable sources. Mirrored7 (talk) 20:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Is it okay, to at least re-add "With over 98 billion streams globally, she is the most-streamed female act as of 2021" on the lead again. I don't think it's okay to ignore her streaming success in the lead, especially when she is primarily known for that. It has its sources and doesn't mention Spotify or other streaming platforms specifically. Mirrored7 (talk) 08:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

@PHShanghai @Escape Orbit @Aoi

Can you take part on the discussion again?

60 % of Grande's success has been in streaming. I don't think, it's right to ignore it all in the lead. I would be for it, to at least re-add the 98 billion streams part again, as it has no provider like Spotify or Apple Music linked to it. I also would be open to rephrase it differently. Mirrored7 (talk) 18:09, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

I find the 98 billion streams part to have weak sourcing and overall just reads WP:PUFF. (Just because it is verifiable does not mean it needs to be included). Unless there is a broad, strong consensus that she is VERY NOTABLE for having very strong streaming numbers, it should not be readded. There are other artists like Drake who have amazing streaming records, but the numbers aren't mentioned in the lead. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 15:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Image

@19Arham:, the new picture that you changed to might potentially be copyvio, as there is no indication that "Our Movie Guide" was the one who actually filmed/interviewed Ariana at the Wicked premiere, and the description says "All materials provided by EPK.TV". PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 14:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for the clarification. 19Arham (talk) 15:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 November 2024

Add a section for "Controversies." To include in this section: Grande has been accused of cultural appropriation. Grande is ethnically Italian-American, and commentators have remarked upon her skin color appearing to change dramatically, altering her hair color and hairstyles, and adopting different vernacular and slang, in manners that make her appear ethnically ambiguous. Grande has been accused of "Blackfishing," in which "individuals often use makeup, Photoshop and cosmetic surgery to change their natural appearance" to look Black when they are not racially or ethnically black. At the 2018 Billboard Women in Music Awards, Grande also stated to fans, "thank you so much for coming to my Quinceanñra," despite not being Latino or Hispanic and never having a Quinceañera. Grande has also more recently been accused of "Asianfishing" after sharing photos of herself "her makeup seemingly imitating Asian features."

Of course, please edit as you see fit. Thank you! Allbirdy (talk) 10:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:CRITS, which is admittedly an essay, not an official policy, "Controversies" is not a recommended section title. Rather the title should address the specific issue at hand (such as "Allegations of cultural appropriation.") if it is determined to be WP:DUE under the WP:BLP policy. PianoDan (talk) 19:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

References

Not done for now: There are a number of issues with this request. First, there currently isn't a "controversies" section in this article (nor should there necessarily be one per PianoDan's comment). If there is another part of the article that you think this material would fit within, please let us know.

In addition, there are sourcing issues with this content. First, there are concerns about the reliability of Newsweek (see WP:NEWSWEEK), and I'm honestly not comfortable supporting its use in a WP:BLP article. There is also no consensus on whether Vice is a reliable source. The Billboard article supports the statement that Grande said, "thank you so much for coming to my Quinceañera" but doesn't mention anything about controversy coming from that statement.

I haven't assessed the other sources, but ideally this content should be discussed before it's added to the article. Aoi (青い) (talk) 03:02, 28 November 2024 (UTC) Aoi (青い) (talk) 03:02, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Re-instate Impact section

Grande used to have an impact section, however for some reason it was removed and merged into a different section. I see it has been said on here already that someone planned on reinstating it, but it hasn’t been done yet. Grande has had a massive impact, whereas Selena Gomez, who obviously has had impact but not to the scale of Grande’s, has an impact section on her page. I would appreciate it if the impact section is reinstated, especially now with the release of Wicked and with Grande’s recognition from Billboard as the 9th best pop-star of the 21st century and the only performer who debuted in the 2010’s to make an appearance in the top 10 TIA :) Olivergrandeee (talk) 13:05, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

@Olivergrandeee: Just be bold and reinstate it yourself. You don't typically need to ask permission to add content unless someone else reverts you. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Pronunciation of name (7 December 2024)

The phonetic pronunciation of her name is given as /ˌɑːriˈɑːnə ˈɡrɑːndeɪ bjʊˈtɛərə/ AR-ee-AH-nə GRAHN-day byuu-TAIR-ə. I think there are several problems here. Most importantly, the IPAC-en pronunciation does not match the Respell. /bjʊˈtɛərə/ would be byuu-TAI-əRə, and I don't believe that extra schwa is needed. I haven't found a video of Grande pronouncing the last part of the name, but in this interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lo8HesXmO8&t=168s) the interviewer pronounces it without the glide after the initial B and with a more english EH vowel as opposed to the more Spanish pronunciation: buu-TER-ə. I would note that he Spanish pronunciation would not have the glide either. Lastly her normal pronunciation of her first name is more anglicized /ˌɑːreɪˈɑːnə/ AR-ay-AH-nə with the close-mid front unrounded vowel rather than the close front unrounded vowel (https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Close_front_unrounded_vowel). This can be heard over and over here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skglkez7QgI (Try 1/2 or 1/4 speed.) I cannot edit the article but I think someone should fix this. Mgolden (talk) 20:41, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Re-instate Impact section part two

Hi guys, so it's been a while but it's unfair that Ariana Grande's impact section was removed, i don't know what happened, I would re-instate but i can't do it so someone has to, because Ariana definitely has impacted the industry, last article revisions corrobored it, in fact, I helped to make it, so please, cand somebody re-instate impact section? 2800:BF0:60:F22:B41A:3235:9050:2EBF (talk) 23:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)