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Argentina national under-23 football team → Argentina Olympic football team – The article should be called Argentina Olympic football team. The Olympic team fields 3 players over the age of 23 for the Olympics. Furthermore, it lists achievements and results of the Olympic team at the Olympic games before it was primarily a U23 team. This article is about the Olympic team in all its incarnations (primarily U23 and not primarily U23), yet the article is called the U23 team. That doesn't make sense. In addition, it lists a result from the Saison Cup, which in the linked source, identifies it as an U24 team. Finally, it lists honours from the Panamerican Games. The Panamerican games are an U22 competition with an exception for 3 overage players. So we have full (not age restricted) teams, U23 teams with 3 overage players, U24 teams, and U22 teams with 3 overage players, all being credit as the U23 team. It does not add up, and it makes much more sense to call it the Olympic team because that is what this article is actually about.

Here's the source linked in the article calling the Saison Card Cup teams U24, the official source from the Japanese federation: http://www.jfa.jp/eng/national_team/u24_2021/20210326/match_page.html#pankz

Here's one source from Uruguay's football federation calling their winning team of the Panamerican games an U22 team: https://www.auf.org.uy/uruguay-campe-oacute-n-panamericano/. BlackenedTheUSSR (talk) 15:21, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 11:19, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per established naming conventions at Category:National under-23 association football teams and because as nominator acknowledges, this team plays in more than the just the Olympics. Giant Snowman 11:21, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"This team" - which team? As I explained, the results listed in this article relate to 4 different categories of team - an U22 team, an U23 team, an U24 team, and a full age Olympic team. Calling them all "U23" does not solve that problem.

Secondly, the Argentine Olympic committee is responsible for choosing the Panamerican Games team. This makes sense as the Panamerican Games are organized under the Olympic charter. What we can say is that the Olympic committee has been responsible for the full age Olympic team, the U23 Olympic team, and the Panamerican games team. Calling them all the Olympic team (as in team organized by the Olympic committee) makes sense to me. Calling them all the U23 does not.

I had not previously heard of the Saison Card Cup and it's difficult to find information about it online. It's possible it's a team also picked by the Olympic committee, but it may not be. In fact, I think it needs way more information to be included and make any sense in any context. As of now I don't really understand what it is, other than it is not an U23 competition. Ironically that is the only thing I learned from its inclusion in the U23 team page.

I understand the naming conventions exist, but it seems to me they are wrong if they create pages like this. BlackenedTheUSSR (talk) 15:01, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Removal of 1928

Should we not remove the 1928 medal from the official Argentina Olympic/U23 Medal Record as medals prior to 1992 officialy ruled by the IOC belong to the senior team’s Medal Record not the olympic/U20 Lil Zadeh (talk) 07:10, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also maybe even remove the caps and the goals scored in olympics before 1992 because for example Tarasconi’s goals in the 1928 Olympics count as senior team goals and his caps count Lil Zadeh (talk) 08:09, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]