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Archer is also an extraordinary fish, my company logo, which catches flying insects by spitting on them

Also 'The Archers' an English BBC daily radio soap is I believe at 50+ years the longest running soap in the world which I have listened to since day one Michael Archer— Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.24.153.186 (talkcontribs) 06:41, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rearrangements

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I suggest this page move to Archer (disambiguation) and replaced here with a redirect to Archery with a hatnote pointing to the dab page.

As a separate suggestion, I plan to move the people with the surname to the Archer (surname). (John User:Jwy talk) 15:40, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 6 May 2015

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The result of the move request was: Move. Both archer and archers will redirect to archery. Cúchullain t/c 13:53, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]


ArcherArcher (disambiguation) – I would like to suggest that the primary topic of "archer" is a person who practices archery. We should redirect archer to archery, with the appropriate complementary move of this disambiguation page. Egsan Bacon (talk) 19:26, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]


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"Archer" listed at Redirects for discussion

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A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Archer. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 15#Archer until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. MB 01:53, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 16 October 2021

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. There is a consensus that the current title is the primary topic per the long-term significance criterion and the page is therefore not moved.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:06, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Archer (disambiguation)Archer – Since the last RM closed, which established Archer as a redirect to Archery, Archer (2009 TV series) was created, and the TV series has consistently dwarfed the sport in pageviews, leading to a situation where there is presently NOPRIMARY. GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 01:08, 16 October 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Colin M (talk) 23:02, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just going to let this go for a bit more..— Relisting. –MJLTalk 07:10, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I was just trying to avoid having to move the dab page back and forth and state my ultimate opinion. That said, I seem to be in the minority there and debate here is between whether archery is the primary topic or if there is no primary topic. But I agree with the "Support" votes here that archery is not the primary topic. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:01, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You've got to really twist your brain into a knot to figure that acknowledging the fact that archery has been significant to human civilization for thousands of years is an attempt to predict the future. -- Fyrael (talk) 18:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I confidently predict that within ten years when everyone hears the word "archer" they'll immediately think of a TV series and completely forget about the obscure blokes firing arrows even though they were a major part of warfare for thousands of years. Oh wait, no I don't, that would be a truly ludicrous prediction. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:25, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a comment from Ortizesp that I'm missing? There are two comments now citing this editor, but all I see from them is a 4-word "rationale" that seems to dismiss the entire process of figuring out if there's a primary topic in favor of just lazily going with disambiguation whenever a primary topic is challenged. -- Fyrael (talk) 16:26, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose based on long-term significance. -- Fyrael (talk) 15:06, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I agree that Archery is the clear primary topic in terms of long-term significance. Although the TV show has a staggering lead in pageviews, pageviews are not the only tool with which we assess a primary topic. One can easily make a dismissive argument here based on intuition, but it helps to have data: ngram viewer shows mentions of "Archer" going back to the 1500's. That said, somehow despite being at a title with a disambiguator, the TV series still got those views, meaning whoever was looking for it found it anyways (hey, the hatnote worked!) Despite all this, I can see an argument that making the wide variety of other options on the dab page accessible, but if anything, the lead in pageviews for the TV series shows that our readers are committed enough to look at the hatnote to find the topic they intended. This crashes into the issue of long-term significance vs usage, but I do feel that widespread significance is a factor here. If you were to ask somebody who has never watched television what they think of Archer, they would very likely think you were referring to Archery. ASUKITE 00:40, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As a (FWIW) non-USian who doesn't follow TV closely, I would be ASTONISHed to find a TV series where I expected an article about a millennia-old cross-cultural technology and sport. ClaudineChionh (talkcontribs) 08:04, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment What I'm proposing will not lead to this happening, though. What I propose would mean that searching for "Archer" would take you to a dab page, of which Archery would still be at or very close to the top. Meanwhile, searching for "Archery" will still take you directly to the Archery article; that is not a part of this RM. GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 13:30, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and close no need for further relists @MJL:, long term encyclopaedic WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:48, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Archery is the long-term primary topic --Spekkios (talk) 20:45, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Mdewman6; 162 etc.; Crouch, Swale; Station1; User:力; OcelotCreeper2 and Ortizesp. Those wishing to research Archery already have that term as the primary topic of the Archery (disambiguation) page. On the other hand, those who type "Archer", but nonetheless wish to research the same subject as those who who would type "Archery", will still see the text with the blue link, "An archer is a person who practices archery, using a bow to shoot arrows" at the very top of the 64-entry Archer (disambiguation) page, thus such users would not be inconvenienced under any arrangement. The inconvenienced users are the ones who are searching for one of the other 63 entries on the Archer (disambiguation) page, especially the extremely popular TV series, which is buried under sub-section header "Television" as the 40th entry on the dab page. —Roman Spinner (talkcontribs) 21:03, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Barely anybody goes through the dab page. Why would we inconvenience more? Srnec (talk) 13:02, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    391 pageviews [2] in the last 20 days, I disagree strongly with this. The ones being inconvenienced right now are the ones searching for any of the other 63 entries on the page. GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 16:55, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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