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Cast and crew

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4690132/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_cl_sm

Not suggesting we use IMDb as an inline citation, just noting there might be some additional people worth mentioning if sourcing allows.

---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:24, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is this an acceptable source?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/rupaul-reveals-drag-race-final-5772352

---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:26, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Production text

I had included these two paragraphs in the Production section:

Andersen and RuPaul collaborated for many years, until the show's ninth season; Andersen initially did RuPaul's hair and make-up, and later directed challenges and became a creative producer of Drag Race.^[1] He was a guest judge on season two's "Here Comes the Bride" (2010), and he was a special guest on the fourth season's "The Final Three" (2012), the fifth season's "The Final Three, Hunty" (2013), the sixth season's "Sissy That Walk!" (2014), and the seventh season's premiere episode, which was also called "Born Naked". Andersen was nominated in the Outstanding Makeup for a Variety, Nonfiction or Reality Program category at the 67th Primetime Emmy Awards for his work on "ShakesQueer", the seventh season's third episode.
Cayne, a transgender actress and performance artist, has made multiple appearances on Drag Race as well as the spin-off RuPaul's Drag U. Like Andersen, she was a special guest on Drag Race's "The Final Three" and "The Final Three, Hunty". She was a guest judge on the ninth season's "Snatch Game" episode.^[2]^[3]

References

^ "Raven Dedicates Emmy for 'Drag Race' Work to Mathu Andersen". Out. ISSN 1062-7928. Archived from the original on 2024-02-06. Retrieved 2024-03-03.
^ "11 Times "RuPaul's Drag Race" Celebrated The Trans Community". Logo TV. Archived from the original on 2023-11-29. Retrieved 2024-03-03.
^ Sim, Bernardo (2019-10-27). "RuPaul's Drag Race: 10 Guest Judges You Forgot About". Screen Rant. Archived from the original on 2023-02-04. Retrieved 2024-03-03. With that said, fans seem to often forget that actress, choreographer, and trans icon Candis Cayne appeared on the show various times, choreographing the finalists on seasons 4, 5, and 7. Then, on season 9, Candis sat in the judging panel for the Snatch Game episode.

I think it is helpful to provide some context about how people have been involved with the series, when applicable. Another editor removed this text for being "completely irrelevant to the episode"). What do others think? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Another Believer I've just joined the Drag Race Wikiproject, I've admired your tireless editing as a constant reader of the Drag Race pages and hope to contribute! (Long time copyeditor, getting pretty familiar with the MoS at this point, but still intimidated by citation styles and even pinging/messaging norms on en.wiki)

I think your addition was great, and would be in support of re-adding it. While I'll AGF regarding the "drive-by revert" editor, it appears they do large-scale generalist work, often at a more technical level of contribution, and didn't necessarily care about the actual topic here like we Wikiproject members do! That sort of constant activity- reverting recent changes with brash edit summaries then refusing to engage on talk- is why I almost quit here as a new editor in the much more toxic arena of tech and academia.

I love that the Wikiproject is small and tight knit, and Drag Race gives me liiiiife mamaaaaa, so if I understand Wikipedia properly, we get to build our own consensus as a community around these pages. Count me in for consensus on re-adding, and for a general stance against deletionism in the few domains we have of joyful queer art! 🌈🙌

Sincerely, Chelsea aka Chiselinccc (talk) 07:36, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your kind words and feedback here, Chiselinccc! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:49, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear, no group on Wikipedia gets to build our own consensus as a community that overrides wider consensus– see WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. In general the rules set by a smaller project are generally going to be left alone because there's no way for the entire Wikipedia community to work on every project, but if a broader group raises concerns, they can seek consensus for changes.

Regarding the specific changes here, I actually don't have a huge issue with removing those paragraphs; they come across as a WP:COATRACK to me. We should stay focused on this episode; for instance; Andersen's Emmy nom is completely irrelevant to this article. RunningTiger123 (talk) 14:36, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Raven Dedicates Emmy for 'Drag Race' Work to Mathu Andersen". Out. ISSN 1062-7928. Archived from the original on 2024-02-06. Retrieved 2024-03-03.

[2] "11 Times "RuPaul's Drag Race" Celebrated The Trans Community". Logo TV. Archived from the original on 2023-11-29. Retrieved 2024-03-03.

[3] Sim, Bernardo (2019-10-27). "RuPaul's Drag Race: 10 Guest Judges You Forgot About". Screen Rant. Archived from the original on 2023-02-04. Retrieved 2024-03-03. With that said, fans seem to often forget that actress, choreographer, and trans icon Candis Cayne appeared on the show various times, choreographing the finalists on seasons 4, 5, and 7. Then, on season 9, Candis sat in the judging panel for the Snatch Game episode.

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