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Saint Amalberga of Temse, shown with the sturgeon
Saint Amalberga of Temse, shown with the sturgeon
Created by Figureskatingfan (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 52 past nominations.

Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 03:27, 21 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article looks good, was interesting to read. Think it could do with some copyediting, as some of the sentences are quite long and loose, but it's still readable. Only things flagged by Earwig's tool are clear, attributed quotes. The hooks are also interesting, although I think the ALT0 hook twists the story a bit and doesn't make it clear that this is a fantastical story from a hagiography. I prefer ALT1. Grnrchst (talk) 16:31, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Grnrchst I would suggest that the hook (and the article) should make it clear that the Charlemagne incident is also a legend: the Cureus source refers to the legend of the assault inflicted upon her by Charlemagne.
TSventon (talk) 17:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


NPOV

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@Figureskatingfan: I don't think we should say on the main page that was rescued by a bear and a sturgeon while trying to escape from Charlemagne in WP:WIKIVOICE as those are seriously contested assertions and should not be stated as facts. The article lead has similar problems. Williams et al acknowledge that Hagiographies are notoriously enigmatic sources for academics. Possibly adding "according to legend" would resolve this, per Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 188#P7 3 January. If sources allow it would be useful to separate out the history from the legend as in Saint Ursula. TSventon (talk) 06:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is an interesting article in French about the sources in

  • Poncelet, Albert (1912). "Les Biographes de Ste Amelberge". Analecta Bollandiana Vol 31 (in French). Société des Bollandistes. pp. 401–409. TSventon (talk) 21:01, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Legendary material

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@Melchior2006: I see that you removed the sturgeon from the lead, but left Charlemagne's proposal. I think they both belong in the lead, but as legends rather than facts. TSventon (talk) 22:26, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thx for the input. I have to confess that I did not read that part of the talk page before making the edit. In order to keep the sturgeon in the lede, you would have to show that that particular legend is widely considered to be one of the most important things about Amalberga. I doubt it, but maybe you have access to some sources that would clarify the question. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 23:10, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]