Talk:Alice Ilgenfritz Jones

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Did you know... that Alice Ilgenfritz Jones was one of "Two Women of the West" from Iowa who wrote the 1893 feminist utopian novel Unveiling a Parallel?

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The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 20:36, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Alice Ilgenfritz Jones was one of "Two Women of the West" from Iowa who wrote the 1893 feminist utopia Unveiling a Parallel? Source: Kolmarten 1991: [1], compare pp. ix, xii, xiv.
- ALT1: ... that the 1893 utopia Unveiling a Parallel co-authored by Alice Ilgenfritz Jones was out of print for nearly a century, but is now considered a pioneering feminist work? Source: Suksang 1993: [2], pp. 143, 145.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Babi Yar. Context
- Comment: More hooks welcome as always.

Moved to mainspace by Kusma (talk). Self-nominated at 21:40, 16 May 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Alice Ilgenfritz Jones; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Great work! I won't review this nomination as I don't think I can be neutral considering my work on Mars in fiction, but you could try to construct a hook around the use of an "aeroplane" to get to Mars in Unveiling a Parallel (see e.g. Crossley, p. 94 and the "Two Women of the West" entry in The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction). TompaDompa (talk) 22:22, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks TompaDompa, an interesting idea! I'm still pondering it; according to the OED, aeroplane with this meaning was first used in 1868 (supplanting an earlier use meaning "lifting surface"), and a study by Svante Stubelius traces its use from 1873: [3], but "an early use of the word" would still be fine, even if the SFE's "very early appearance of the word in English" is a bit exaggerated. —Kusma (talk) 08:22, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But I will. Doing... ミラP@Miraclepine 15:27, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing:
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Other problems:

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
Other problems:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: AGF on the inaccessible sourcing. Both hooks approved. ミラP@Miraclepine 15:36, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Miraclepine! The first source is actually accessible if you create a free account at archive.org and the second one can be accessed through WP:TWL if you (or anyone else) wants to have a look. —Kusma (talk) 21:28, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 18:18, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Nominator: Kusma (talk · contribs) 21:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Averageuntitleduser (talk · contribs) 21:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An Ohian feminist author, eh? I'm intrigued! Averageuntitleduser (talk) 21:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well-written

Not much to fuss over:

Jones' — for the two instances, rephrase or add another "s".
done all three.
The New Orleans area and the bayous were known to Jones, who regularly visited her sister in Jennings, Louisiana. — I thought this stuck out a tad. Could it be tied back to, say, her books or writing style? Or qualified time-wise? If not, it probably suffices.
She wrote a book about a slave (who does not know she is a slave) in the bayous, so I thought it is useful to clarify she knew at least the geography from her own experience. Tried to rephrase.
Beatrice of Bayou Têche ... "the bayous were known to Jones" ... whoops, forgive my blunder. Still, I do like the flow of this rephrase. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 02:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Cuba" is linked in the article but not the lead.
I am not sure what is best; MOS:LEADLINK and MOS:OL may allow a range of things here.
Ooh, you're right. I tend to use the country rule of thumb, so I've delinked it if you don't mind. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 02:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She was included among a list of Iowa authors in 1890. — even if it's not too significant, noting the list might be helpful.
Will do this later. Thank you for the review so far! —Kusma (talk) 10:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We have an article about the author of the list, so definitely worth a little bit more precision. —Kusma (talk) 13:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Verifiable with no original research

Looking at the sources, I'm seeing no red flags. Many university presses, prominent authors, and peer-reviewed journals. Despite being a re-issue, Kolterman 1991 is essentially a secondary source. All sentences are cited inline, and I've little close paraphrasing during the spot-check.

Spot-check

Andrews, Clarence A. (1972). A Literary History of Iowa. University of Iowa Press. ISBN 978-1-58729-008-4.
- Looks good Y
Coopwood, Bethel (1901). "Book Reviews and Notices". The Quarterly of the Texas State Historical Association. 4 (3): 230–231. ISSN 1948-3317.
- Looks good Y
Kolmerten, Carol A. (October 1, 1991). Introduction. Unveiling a Parallel: A Romance. By Jones, Alice Ilgenfritz; Merchant, Ella. Syracuse University Press. pp. ix–xlv. ISBN 978-0-8156-0259-0.
- Tweaked two pages, but looks good Y
Graves Registration Project. Tombstone records of Linn county, Iowa. Works Project Administration.
- Looks good Y
Lake, Christina (November 2018). "Eugenics in Late 19th-Century Feminist Utopias". American Journal of Economics and Sociology. 77 (5): 1277–1312. doi:10.1111/ajes.12251. S2CID 149954554.
- Looks good Y

Broad in its coverage

Some standard checks on Taylor & Francis, Springer, Muse, Newspapers.com, and JSTOR either return sources in use, advertisements, or passing mentions, usually in conjunction with Unveiling a Parallel. This is a short article, but I do believe it covers its bases.

Neutral

No issues on this front; opinions are attributed.

Stable

This is a given; no recent edit wars or content disputes.

Illustrated

Assuming you haven't found any portraits or drawings (I haven't either), this is a pass. Jones seemed fairly low-profile, so I wouldn't be surprised if her portrait was never published. The title page's public domain licence seems correct.

Summary

Thanks for sticking with me @Kusma: happy to promote this article! Averageuntitleduser (talk) 18:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.