Talk:Alexander Volkanovski

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I put in a citation that links to the Illawarra Mercury which is an external source that is independent of the subject to meet the guidelines of the guidelines for biographies — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paokara777 (talk • contribs) 04:03, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Naming

I edited Macedonia to North Macedonia, as that's what the country is officially recognized as, not as Macedonia. Also according to the following link, Alexander says his mum is ethnic Greek himself: I decided to change my nickname because you can’t be a featherweight calling yourself ‘The Hulk’. My Dad is Macedonian and my Mum is Greek, just like Alexander the Great. It’s a perfect fit. The Macedonian and Greek communities loved it. Aristotle1991 (talk) 11:00, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

The article is fine in its current state. The sentence,

His father was born in Beranci, North Macedonia, while his mother is from Greece

is fine and true to the provided sources. Alternatively, something like

His father is of Macedonian ethnicity (born in Beranci, North Macedonia), while his mother is of Greek ethnicity

is also valid and more specific to ethnicity and heritage. Beat of the tapan (talk) 12:00, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

References

WP:PROVEIT and WP:V

Beat of the tapan , pls read WP:PROVEIT and WP:V for info added need to be supported by WP:IS and WP:RS. Secondly, Volkanoski is an Australia (he was born in Australia), and in Australia there is not name association with what they heritage (parents) come from. He name is just So the Macedonia/Greek name should not be here. Cassiopeia^(talk) 10:34, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

@Cassiopeia Ok, fair enough. Feel free to drop it.--Beat of the tapan (talk) 11:46, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Beat of the tapan Thank you for your reply and understanding. Stay safe and best Cassiopeia^(talk) 05:06, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Likewise, Cassiopeia. Regards, Beat of the tapan (talk) 08:41, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Personal claims of Volkanovski

Everybody is free to claim everything, however it is better that the reader of this article be informed whether these claims are true or are just personal interpretation not related to the objective reality. Jingiby (talk) 10:57, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

What Volkanovski claims is that FROM HISTORY YOU WILL FIND THAT ALEXANDER THE GREAT HAD A MACEDONIAN FATHER AND A GREEK MOTHER, SO THAT IS WHY I WENT WITH THAT NAME. Obviously this claim is incorrect from historical point of view, that is the reason for the world allegedly in the text. Jingiby (talk) 11:39, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Seriously, keep it concise. The previous He has claimed that Alexander the Great was of a mixed Macedonian and Greek heritage, similar to himself was good enough because it does highlight it is Volkanovski's claim and not necessary fact. I doubt most readers here would care about the figure from antiquity and if they do, they can visit the article. Kromid (talk) 11:49, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

In fact Alexander's father Philip II was from the Argead dynasty that was probably of Dorian Greek provenance, i.e they were Dorians, not Macedonians. while his mother Olympias was of Molossian origin. The Molossians were a group of ancient Greek tribes which inhabited the region of Epirus, i.e. they were Epirotes, not Macedonians. Jingiby (talk) 11:54, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Yeah ok, and what does this have to exactly do with Volkanovski and what I have said above? Kromid (talk) 12:00, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

As we know the issue is very sensitive, because the ahistorical policy of antiquisation has affected many people with Macedonian Slavic roots. Jingiby (talk) 12:06, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Finally I agree with you Kromid. I have reverted myself. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 05:04, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I want to re visit this issue, I think that citing someones false claims without addressing it as a false claim in an encyclopedia can be problematic. Alexander the Great's parents can either be labelled as both Greek, or if you want to speak of their birth city states then his father is from Macedon and his mother is from Epirus. Mixing an ancient City State with an ancient Civilization is misleading and can cause more confusion on this matter. Paokara777 (talk) 08:09, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

This article is not about those topics. For readers which are interested in his claims, they can view the internal links for elaboration. Kromid (talk) 03:10, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Black belt

Volkaovski is now a black belt in BJJ, not a brown belt. Source: https://bjjtribes.com/ufc-champion-alexander-volkanovski-gets-promoted-to-bjj-black-belt/ 89.241.26.72 (talk) 17:11, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

89.241.26.72 Added in the article. thank you for the source. Cassiopeia talk 20:37, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Personal Bias

There still seems to be personal bias from those editing Alexander's background. At the time of his dad's birth, the country was known as Yugoslavia, not simply Macedonia. Nor is is known as Macedonia now. It is North Macedonia. Also his mum was born in Greece, or Greek Macedonia, if you want to be specific, not Aegean Macedonia. Thank you. https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:Aristole1991

Disputed Method of loss to Nelson

After watching this presentation, it's clear that an uppercut was the decisive blow in the TKO. The headkicks were effectively blocked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T--slAA73GQ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpgladman (talk • contribs) 07:11, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Jpgladman The fight method is as per Sherdog - see here based on Wikipedia MMA guidelines Pls note that the info is not about the true but what can be verified by independent reliable source as per Wikipedia guardilines. Cassiopeia talk 02:01, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

City Alex was Born

He speaks about where he is born (Wollongong hospital) in this biography film the UFC produced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pVICvinKVo 0:10 second mark User:Squared.Circle.Boxing here is my citation, ill now undo your changes. - Paokara777 (talk) 15:44, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 July 2023

Please change "On 8 July 2023 he defeated Yair Rodriguez at UFC 290 to retain UFC Featherweight title by unanimous decision, with all three judges scoring the fight 50–45[10]." To "On 8 July 2023 he defeated Yair Rodriguez at UFC 290 to retain the UFC Featherweight title by TKO in the 3rd round of a 5 round title fight." 2600:4040:90CE:3100:65F3:699C:DD7:6801 (talk) 14:49, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

 Already done Lightoil (talk) 04:22, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2023

Add to “Championships and Accomplishments”

• • UFC Men’s Pound-for-pound No. 1 in 2023. 49.179.34.50 (talk) 07:55, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Xan747 (talk) 23:49, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 September 2023

Change “two daughters” to “three daughters”. Alex published a photo of his third daughter, Reign Volkanovski, on his Instagram post Wed. 30.8.2023 in Australia. 2001:8003:268A:100:207C:85EF:2769:7E00 (talk) 03:43, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:17, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2023

Alexander Volkanovski has three daughters, not two. Ayrossi (talk) 23:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. But I will note, the current source for that sentence does not even support the current language, so I've removed reference to any children, until a source can be provided. -- Pinchme123 (talk) 03:48, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Macedonian Australian

Volkanovski is a Macedonian Australian, he is an Australian with Macedonian descent. His surname is Macedonian as well. We look from his father's side always. That's how it should be put in the page, a Macedonian Australian. Andrew012p (talk) 15:51, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Per WP:Nationality and WP:Ethnicity we only include nationalities they actually represent and not their background. Nswix (talk) 15:57, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Not true. Then what about Nikola Tesla example? It should be Macedonian-Australian. Andrew012p (talk) 20:37, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Good day. I guest you didnt read the WP:Ethnicity as provided by User:Nswix - MOS:NATIONALITY/WP:Ethnicity - If a subject migrate from from a country to another country and became the citizen of the that country where he was made notable of his activities - we would put their citizenship of the country they migrated to. So Tesla is an American in the lead section which I have corrected the info. In This case Volk was born and raised in Australia for such he is an Aussie (even he has the Macedonian and Greek heritage). For such we put his nationality (Australia) in the lead secti0n (intro) for his ethnicity can not be in the lead section but can be stated in the body text if it is supported by independent, reliable with the info is already stated in the "background" section. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 22:25, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, if that's the case then why do they keep reverting back the edits for Nikola Tesla? Go check that out because apparently they don't follow the Nationality rule. If that's the case, I will add Macedonian Australian for Alexander Volkanovski! There must be rules. Cheers. Andrew012p (talk) 17:58, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Tesla was an immigrant. Volk is born and raised Australian of partial Macedonian ancestry. You're comparing apples and oranges. Nswix (talk) 18:12, 25 December 2023 (UTC)