Talk:Alejandro Villanueva

Requested move 21 December 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Procedural close. This is blatant forum-shopping. The previous discussion of an identical proposal was closed only 4 days ago, on 18 December, by me. The proposer of this discussion raised their concerns on my talk page, as they are quite entitled to do if dissatisfied with a closure. We were unable to reach agreement, so I directed the editor to WP:Move review, inviting them to request a review if they so wish. That path remains open, but it is not acceptable to simply make a fresh move request so soon after the previous closure. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:15, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

– A previous move discussion on Talk:Alejandro Villanueva was closed in an absolute denial of the relevant guidelines. A new move request is therefore launched in the proper location to a larger audience. The guidelines clearly state three measures for establishing, or not, a primary topic. They are:

Visitor statistics. Measured on http://stats.grok.se/, the American footballer is drawing 20-30 time more visitors than the footballer, and this despite the footballer's article occupying the primary title.
Internal wikilinks. The American footballer is linked about twice as much as the footballer, but both articles are transcluded in templates, therefore there is no overwhelming difference.
English sources. A random Google search on the name, without any other qualifier, shows that about one out of ten results are about the footballer or the stadium. All other results are about the American footballer.

Conclusion: from these results it is quite clear that the American footballer is the one most talked about, and searched for. There is even some material to consider him as a primary topic in a twodabs situation. What is clearly not acceptible, though, is for the footballer to occupy the primary position. Midas02 (talk) 19:45, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose: As BrownHairedGirl closed on the prior move discussion (of 18 December 2015), "the strongest policy-based argument was that based on the evidence of the long-term significance of the Peruvian" (see). Midas02 refuses to accept that the guideline at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC establishes two major criteria for assessing primacy: usage and long-term significance. The Peruvian Alejandro Villanueva has 675 book results from Google Books (see), and is an important subject of Latin American sports and culture history (studies both in English and Spanish, as well as other languages). An important stadium in the Peruvian capital is named after him (see Estadio Alejandro Villanueva). All of this is concrete evidence to the Peruvian footballer's long-term significance; on the other hand, the argument in favor of the American "Ali" Villanueva is purely based on assumptions and a recent spike in searches.--MarshalN20 ^Talk 01:50, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support: If the footballer was the primary topic, he would not be outviewed 29547 to 1449. I'm not arguing for the American football player being the primary topic; there is no primary topic. Joeykai (talk) 02:52, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: What the page view statistics demonstrate is that, on 7 December 2015, there was a spike in the search for "Alejandro Villanueva" (we can see this both in the Peruvian footballer stats and in the American footballer stats). We cannot be guided by recent events because it goes against the WP:RECENT guideline. The page view stats further demonstrate the spike has already reached its peak and that the numbers for the American are falling at a rapid rate (returning to normality).--MarshalN20 ^Talk 03:46, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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