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Requested move 23 September 2015

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Aled Davies (field athlete). The point is to distinguish this man from another Aled Davies who is a rugby player. So the mere 'athlete' wouldn't serve. EdJohnston (talk) 04:44, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Aled Davies (throwing events) → Aled Davies (athlete) – This was moved by an editor who felt athlete was a ambiguous term and thus wanted to pin point the person's specialty. There was no other reason to move as there are no other track and field athletes called Aled Davies and 'throwing events' is a far more confusing term than 'athlete' which is used across Wikipedia without any real issues. FruitMonkey (talk) 18:50, 23 September 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 07:01, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong oppose per discussion at WikiProject Sports, and other move requests, and at Athlete "athlete" is an ambiguous term whenever there are multiple people from sports with the same name have articles. This is the case here, where a rugger also has an article. Our article at "athlete" is not about track and field athletics at all, it's scope covers the rugby player. Suggest instead Aled Davies (field athlete) or Aled Davies (Paralympian) or Aled Davies (parathlete); as he participates in two Paralympic field disciplines -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 05:05, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Could you please link the discussion at WikiProject Sports so myself and others can see the outcome. Also he can not be moved to Aled Davies (parathlete) as you have made up the word parathlete. FruitMonkey (talk) 06:06, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • "parathlete" is clearly in use. (Canada)/(UK)/(USA)/(Australia)/(NSW government of Australia) -- clearly even governments use the term, and your statement that I made it up is a fallacy. -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 04:23, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • Apologies for the parathlete snipe, I've created hundreds of para-sport articles citing thousands of articles and have never come across it, so I don't believe it is in popular usage. I still really don't like 'throwing events', it makes him sounds like a wedding planner. Field or Track and field athlete seems far better. FruitMonkey (talk) 20:32, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • It appears I made an error, the WPSPORTS Discussion is just a link back to the discussion at Talk:Sportsperson with regurgitation of content from that discussion; that discussion is now located at Talk:Athlete, where per RedSlash's ending comment, "(athlete)" is inadequate whenever there are multiple sportspeople with the same name, which is the case here. It fails WP:PRECISE because Athlete is not about athletics, it is about any sportsperson, thus all sportspeople are athletes, leading to the situation here, where there are two sportspeople with the same name. -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 04:39, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • Secondly, parathlete and Paralympian basically cause the same issue you are trying to avoid with athlete. What is a Paralympian? A weightlifter, a sharp-shooter, a rugby player? Also we are kind of defining someone by their disability, even if they are a proud Paralympian, I personally feel we would never classify two sprinters of the same name as one being "Foo (Olympian sprinter)" and "Foo (sprinter)". We would just use "Foo (Egyptian sprinter)" and "Foo (Moroccan sprinter)". FruitMonkey (talk) 09:28, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
          • The problem here is ambiguity. The other person named Aled Davies is neither a Paralympian nor a parathlete, so there is no other para-athlete to distinguish from. If there were no other sportspeople then "athlete" would be fine, but as there is another sportsperson so it is ambiguous and does not meet WP:PRECISE. This is the same as in any other case where two athletes share the same name, then they both need to have additional disambiguation, such as (hurdler) or (long jumper), and neither can use "(athlete)". Both athletes are Welsh, so disambiguation by country does not work. If "field athlete" is unacceptable then we can do Aled Davies (athlete born 1991); "Paralympian"/"Paralympic athlete" is the same as using "Olympic athlete"/"Olympian" as a disambiguator -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 02:04, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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