Talk:Air Mata Iboe/GA1

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Reviewer: Dwaipayanc (talk · contribs) 23:13, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

• "... the film starred Fifi Young, Rd Ismail, A. Sarosa, and Ali Yugo and followed a mother who raises her children attentively but is ultimately betrayed by her eldest sons." Should there be a dot after Rd in the name Rd Ismail? Also, " her eldest sons" is this a correct expression (I am not sure)? Eldest means the oldest one (singular), right?

• Rd Mochtar (a similar case) does not. For eldest sons, see Lady Cockburn and Her Three Eldest Sons as an example. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:31, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

• "Sugiati (Fifi Young) is the mother of four grown children" All are male children (the reader does not know yet)? so, is it better to describe as sons and daughter?

• Children is gender neutral, although I have rephrased. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:31, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

• "Air Mata Iboe was announced in June 1941 together with two other films, Boedi Terbenam (Hidden Character) and Bachtera Karam(Wrecked Ark)." By teh same production team? Otherwise, why is this important to know?

Same company, yes. Reworded. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:31, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

• "...featured eleven keroncong (traditional music with Portuguese influences) songs written by music director R. Koesbini" You mean the music was composed by the director, or, the lyrics written?

• Linked music director. He may have done both or one or the other, sources do not say. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:31, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

• "...began in early 1942, closing almost all of the colony's film studios" Is it better to use Dutch East Indies here rather than colony?

• Done — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:31, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

• "Air Mata Iboe premiered at Sampoerna Theater in Surabaya on 24 December 1941" But, in the preceding section, "Tan completed the film sometime between 1942 and 1945.However, advertisements and reviews had been published in Surabaya-based newspapers in December 1942." So, there is some discrepancy in date.

• Oops, that second 1942 was a typo. There is some discrepancy in the sources, however. It appears that either Kristanto or Biran did not double check Tan's testimony with newspapers from the time (I think Tan was full of **** in this case, but no sources say that explicitly). In any case what we have here is testimony from one person, which is reported in several sources and is therefore worthy of inclusion, which goes against what contemporary newspapers reported. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:31, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

• Haha, that's really funny: the film premiering 1941 and director saying it was completed somewhere between 1942 and 1945.--Dwaipayan (talk) 23:37, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

• Tan was a different director (don't know why he would have worked on something for Majestic, as he did much of his work for The Teng Chun's Java Industrial Film), but yeah that's interesting. Might be worth writing a paper about... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:49, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

• So, according to Tan, Njoo did not complete the film, but Tan himself did?--Dwaipayan (talk)

• That's what he says, but contemporary sources seem to say otherwise. (You'll notice 1942 is after 1941) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

• "A review in the Soerabaijasch Handelsblad noted..." any date/month/year of the review?

• Don't think that's worth mentioning here (they can click through to the footnote) but I have added that it was anonymous. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:31, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

• "A remake of the film" any wikilinks?

• Redlinked. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:31, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

• "...after Indonesia had obtained its independence" A wikilink to the independence of Indonesia would be nice.--Dwaipayan (talk) 23:13, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

• Done. Thanks for the review! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:31, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

In my opinion, this article meets GA criteria.--Dwaipayan (talk) 03:32, 22 May 2013 (UTC)