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Name change: Shteinman, not Shtainman

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The correct spelling is Shteinman, not Shtainman. I'll change the name of the article accordingly. --Daniel575 06:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Move

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As we all know, he is called Aharon Leib Shteinman in all the chareidi/chiloni papers, both in Israel and in chutz l'artz, always has been. Otherwise a great article and due to th title I can be forgiven for not finding it. frummer 10:19, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{moveto|Aharon Leib Shteinman}}

Discussion

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Thoughts? - crz crztalk 20:18, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely move to Aharon Leib Shteinman. I hardly recognize the name Aharon Shteinman. Redaktor 11:01, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Done. - crz crztalk 14:02, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the debate was No consensus Duja► 10:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The English rendition of his name ("Aharon Leib Steinman") is much more prolific, even if the "Shteinman" spelling is a better reflection of the Israeli pronounciation. Google results show that "Steinman" is by far the more common form of the name, so I propose a move to Aharon Leib Steinman. --DLandTALK 22:14, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • The commonality of an error does not make it correct. You cannot expect an Anglophone to read the name correctly if it is spelt Steinman. (In fact, according to YIVO transcsription rules, it should be Shteynman.) --Redaktor 23:22, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • The "Steinman" spelling is no error. It is, in fact more accurate than "Shteinman" in the strict sense, as the German st and sp are pronounced as /ʃt/ and /ʃp/ respectively (see German orthography). There is no reason for the English version of the Yiddish "שטיינמן" to be rendered as a crude phonetic transliteration. In its English form, it is spelled Steinman. As an analogy, Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz's last name is pronounced "Shteinzaltz", whether you speak Hebrew, English, Yiddish or whatever. It would never be spelled that way, though, because that's just not how you spell it in its English form! I hope you can understand and accept this. --DLandTALK 02:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • To apply esoteric "rules" from hypethetical German (of all things) just reveals how out of reality your suggestion really is. IZAK 10:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • The rule is neither esoteric nor hypothetical. Simply put, in German "st" is pronounced as "sht". This is how German-speakers speak and write, every single day. And the German language is the only possible point of reference, since Yiddish uses Hebrew letters. Regardless, that wasn't my main point - it should be moved simply because that's how most people spell it, and that reason should be more than sufficient. --DLandTALK 16:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • Yiddish is not German, so German spelling should not be adduced in support. There are conventions for romanization of Yiddish, and none of them supports s for ש. --Redaktor 16:58, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • On the contrary, DLand, Steinman is in error. Rabbi Shteinman is not German, and his name is a Yiddish one. For Yiddish names the appropriate anglicization is one based on Yiddish transcription norms, not one based on assumed Germanization. Rabbi Steinsaltz is entitled to spell his name that way if he chooses. His spelling is not binding on anyone else, and certainly upon someone who does not use a romanized spelling at all. Shteinman is a perfectly proper spelling in English. All the Steinmans pronounce their name "St…", not Sht…) In any event, what do you mean by the "Steinman"rendition being more prolific? I can't find it anywhere. Redaktor 10:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • The method generally used to determine what is the most common spelling for any article's title is by Google test. If you compare "Aharon Leib Steinman" and "Aharon Leib Shteinman" on Google, you will see that the "Steinman" version is much more common. Secondly, I don't know where you get that the "appropriate anglicization" of a Yiddish name is an exact transliteration. That is simply not true - how many people do you know named "Goldshtein"? Your distinction between the German and the Yiddish in this context is ludicrous as well - the name itself comes from German. The only way I would accept the "Shteinman" spelling is if R' Steinman himself paskened that way, and truthfully, I doubt he cares either way. --DLandTALK 16:37, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I think you are mistaken. In English-speaking countries, the name 'Goldstein' is pronounced gold-steen. In any event it is irrelevant where the name comes from. What is relevant is what the name is now and how it is pronounced. "Steinman' serves only to confuse.--Redaktor 19:45, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • It doesn't matter that it may serve to confuse, because Wikipedia is not concerned with the possibility that people may mispronounce a name. The most appropriate spelling of a name in an article's title is the one that is most commonly used (see WP:NAME). In this case, the most commonly used and recognized spelling in this case is Aharon Leib Steinman. --DLandTALK 21:33, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support move, Steinman is pronounced Steinman per German pronunciation. It is a German word. Yiddish is a German dialect. When transliterating from Yiddish to Latin, the most obvious use is the German alphabet. This case is no exception. The proposal to use "shtein" has absolutely no precedent whatsoever. --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 09:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
1 The word Steinman is not in the German dictionary; ergo it is not a German word. 2 We are discussing a name, not a word. 3 Yiddish is a language, not a dialect. (Or are you planning to respell all Dutch names according to German spelling conventions? 4 The 'most obvious use' of a transliteration scheme for Yiddish is German if you are German; this is the English Wikipedia, not the German Wikipedia. 5 The spelling Shteinman is in widespread use. The Steinman spelling was invented by people with an inferiority complex who think German is better than Yiddish. 6 Rabbi Shteinman is not German, has never been to Germany, and has no need for a German name. --Redaktor 10:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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removed sentence

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User:Lobbuss recently added (and was quickly removed):

Steinman has been condemned, however, by most Orthodox Jews for his support of Nahal

While unsourced statements cannot be added to biographies of living people WP:BLP ideally a source should be found so it can be included. Jon513 13:51, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed claim of Georgian blessing, as it was proven false.[2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrnhghts (talk • contribs) 19:29, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New images

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Please write the captions in English, as this is the English Wikipedia. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 18:11, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Discrepencies in the Hebrew spelling of his name

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This article shows the Hebrew spelling of his name as אהרון ליב שטיינמן‎‎. But the Hebrew article about him spells his name as אהרן יהודה לייב שטינמן.

I spot three differences:

  1. יהודה is missing from the English version.
  2. Leib is spelled ליב (one yud) in the English version, but לייב (two yuds) in Hebrew.
  3. Shteinman is spelled שטיינמן‎‎ (two yuds) in English and שטינמן‎‎ (one yud) in Hebrew.

I'm not even sure how to determine which spelling is correct. Perhaps someone who has a sefer written by Reb Shteinman can see how it's spelled on the title page.

Even better would be a sefer from someone else, which includes a reproduction of an approbation by Reb Shteinman written on his letterhead.

Per Hebrew grammar, it should be as the Hebrew. Whoever wrote it in this article was simply incorrect. Reb Shteinman uses the acronym for the title of his books AYeLeT, which stands for Aharon Yehuda Leib and his wife, Tamar. I'm moving this page to the proper name. Yoninah (talk) 17:09, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Controversy

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Shteinman was unquestionable one of the most controversial chareidi leaders in recent times, especially regarding his position on the draft and subsequent quarrel with R' Shmuel Auerbach etc., but there is almost no mention of this on the page. High Leader (talk) 18:07, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 21 November 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bobby Cohn (talk) 20:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aharon Yehuda Leib Shteinman → Aharon Leib Shteinman – He is commonly known as Reb Aharon Leib.[1][2][3][4]

References

  1. ^ "Aharon Leib Shteinman, Ultra-Orthodox Leader in Israel, Dies At 104". New York Times.
  2. ^ "OBITUARY: Rabbi Shteinman, Haredi 'leader of the generation,' dies at 104". The Jerusalem Post | JPost.com. 2017-12-12. Retrieved 2024-11-21.
  3. ^ "Aharon Leib Shteinman". Times of Israel.
  4. ^ Lazenwik, Libby. Artscroll: A Gadol In Our Time: Stories about Rav Aharon Leib Shteinman. ArtScroll. ISBN 978-1422617588.
Yeshivish613 (talk) 18:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am for this DveykusBHashem (talk) 23:35, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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