Talk:Agron House

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The result was: promoted by Rlink2 (talk) 13:52, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

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Agron House

To T:DYK/P6

• ... that Agron House was opened nearly ten years after the man it is named for died?
  • ALT1: ... that Agron House was one of the first Israeli cinemas to show films on the Sabbath?
  • ALT2: ... that Agron House was originally a center for journalists, the career of its namesake, but has also been a cinema and a university dormitory?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Connie Carberg
  • Comment: Some refs need added. Some content was copied from Gershon Agron, but 5x new content.

Created by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 21:26, 24 March 2022 (UTC).

• The article is long enough and while some material was taken from Gershon Agron, 5× would apply so it is new enough. It is neutral, it cites sources with inline citations and as far as I can see it is free of close paraphrasing issues, copyright violations and plagiarism. QPQ was also done. There are, however, issues with all three hooks. I believe they are all true, but none is mentioned in the article with inline citations.

• ALT0, this fact is not mentioned in the article at all, not to speak of having an inline citation. I'm also not sure it is interesting.
• ALT1 is also not in the article and not cited. I think it was the first cinema to show films on the Sabbath in Jerusalem, from this source (and, anecdotally, my personal memory as Yeshiva student those years in Jerusalem) but I think Kolno'a Heichal was earlier (I grew up 400 meters away but my memory is foggy).
• ALT2 could almost work but " the career of its namesake" is unsourced (and unnecessary). I also think it would be interesting and more "hooky" to mention it was the house of the GPO and the National Photo Collection, but this is up to you. --Muhandes (talk) 12:46, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

• @Muhandes: I'm wondering why you think Alt0 and alt1 aren't mentioned? For alt0, the article says Constructed in memory of Gershon Agron [...] Gershon Agron died in office in 1959 [...] The building was completed in 1969, and opened on 3 June 1969 (all cited); for alt1, the article says the cinema at Agron House and the Jerusalem Cinematheque, separately, were the first to show films on the Sabbath (also cited). As for your suggestion, I doubt most readers will have any concept of the GPO and National Photo Collection, besides recognising that they're nominally "important" and "official", and so no context of why it would be interesting that two similar things were in the same building. I agree alt2 doesn't need "the career of its namesake" mentioned. Kingsif (talk) 13:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

• @Kingsif: For ALT0 "10 years" is not mentioned anywhere, and 1959 is unsourced, unless it is on Goldstein, in which case I will AGF (though still not very interesting). For ALT1 can you please quote where exactly in the source it says that they were the first Israeli cinemas to show films on the Sabbath? It must be there if you say so but I can't find it. As I said, "first Israeli cinema in Jerusalem to show films on the Sabbath" (as opposed to first in Israel) is something I will accept, though this lacks context. As for ALT2, I agree having both National Photo Collection and Government Press Office is redundant but I think one of them plus a cinema and a dormitory is interesting. Again, this is only a suggestion and it is up to you. --Muhandes (talk) 13:42, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

• @Muhandes: Ah, yes, 1959 is in Goldstein and the 10 years is simple math. The Sabbath cinema source can be read to say they're the first (Last Friday evening, two small theaters associated with leftist political groups joined Jerusalem’s Cinematheque and Beit Agron movie houses in showing movies. - saying these two had been before the small theaters that saw protests start) but I think I actually meant to use this and the next source (which says plainly Initially only two theaters, the Cinematheque and the Beit Agron, dared open on Friday night), but didn't duplicate it. This source (which may be available here if you don't subscribe to NYT) mentions both Israel and Jerusalem. I'll propose alt2a below, based on what I think you're getting at. You or a promoter can work out interestingness, as always; if you think any rephrasings may improve hookiness, I'd like that feedback, too! Kingsif (talk) 13:55, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
• ALT2a: ... that Agron House was originally a center for journalists but has also housed Israel's National Photo Collection, a cinema, and a university dormitory?

• for ALT2a
• For ALT0. I think it is not very interesting but leaving that to promoter.
• @Kingsif: I can't approve ALT1, I still see "defy the local ordinance" in the esource which points to Jerusalem only. If you wish to push ALT1 further, an exact quote will be needed. --Muhandes (talk) 14:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

• @Muhandes: Sorry, meant to add to be safe: Kingsif (talk) 14:09, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
• ALT1a: ... that Agron House was one of the first Jerusalem cinemas to show films on the Sabbath?

• on ALT1a, though maybe lacking context, I'm leaving to promoter since I am prejudiced (I was there). --Muhandes (talk) 14:12, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

• @Muhandes: If you ever want to take an edit break by moseying on down to my talkpage and telling me what it was like being there, I'm always up for a good story! Kingsif (talk) 14:15, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

• @Kingsif: It was a lifetime ago, we were young and enthusiastic.

Oh, and I forgot the image, it is free, used in the article and shows up well enough, so good to go on all fronts. --Muhandes (talk) 14:17, 25 March 2022 (UTC)