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Biased

This is one of the most biased pages I have ever seen. I am not biased towards Trump or Biden. In fact, I have equal opinions of both of them, but take a look at the “age and health concerns of Joe Biden” page compared to this one. This page is clearly biased, but I’m afraid editing it will cause it to become protected.

98.109.122.80 (talk) 16:27, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This page is already protected, to the extent that as it is under arbitration remedies. If the Biden article is underdeveloped compared to this one, the solution is to expand that article along similar lines of coverage in reliable sources. Everything on this page is sourced information. BD2412 T 16:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When your sourced information is the mainstream media, it is extremely biased against Trump. Trump won the election winning both the popular vote and the electoral college. This fact completely negates the statement that a majority of people think his health is a concern.

This page sounds like an anti-Trump page designed to influence voters. Since he won the election, a revision is needed. 2600:8800:3B01:8A00:B08C:73F7:72BB:E4F6 (talk) 17:51, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing about this page sounds like propaganda Turtletennisfogwheat (talk) 14:13, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Severe pro-Democrat bias

What a joke. I don't support either party but this is absolutely pathetic. The author don't even try to make it sound neutral. Alas, nothing is ever completely impartial. "Sourced information", that doesn't excuse the twisting of "the narrative" to the author's ideological viewpoint. Wikipedia is meant to be neutral! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.101.90.88 (talk) 19:30, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This page almost exactly parallels the Age and health concerns about Joe Biden page, which was kept as it is following a lengthy deletion discussion. The existence of both pages demonstrates ideological balance. Of course, there is more substance to this page, but that is event-driven, as Biden for example has no family history of dementia to report, never had a doctor's office raided for records, and was never hospitalized for Covid. BD2412 T 22:23, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s not even close to being parallel to the page of Joe Biden. Firstly, there are no trusted sources that can claim Donald Trump has dementia. Secondly, “narcissism” is neither an age nor health concern.

108.24.127.83 (talk) 23:25, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article doesn't say that Trump has dementia, it says that that concerns about this have been reported by at least some medical professionals (as cited in reliable sources), which they have. As for "narcissism", there is a specific condition, narcissistic personality disorder, which is indeed a DSM-listed mental health issue. Again, the article doesn't say that Trump has such a condition, but that reliable sources have reported that some experts in the field assert that he does. BD2412 T 12:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding dementia and NPD it is speculation aka gossip and it needs to be cited as such. A trusted source is not some random Dr paid to come on TV to spew nonsense and foment hate. Pelosi also made a comment concerning Trump's mental health which is an absolute joke considering her role in the scam/sham Biden presidency. 2600:8800:3B01:8A00:B08C:73F7:72BB:E4F6 (talk) 18:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you suggest a specific change that you think should be made to specific text in the article? BD2412 T 18:23, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's a striking difference between this page and Joe Biden's. What i immediately noticed was Trump's page having an "Incidents" heading, mentioning a bunch of gaffes of his, some of them could barely be called as such, like confusing the name of a physician who tested him six years ago. The part about reports of Trump having a lisp, but it being explained as a techical error in the broadcast in the following sentence also questions whether or not we should call it an "incident" if it actually were a broadcast error. Meanwhile Biden's page has no such "Incidents" heading, despite the numerous viral clips on the internet consisting of sniffing hair, falling of stairs, a bycicle and a flat stage, not to mention the literal compilations of him misspeaking or saying complete nonsense. All of these gaffes that aren't mentioned on his page would be a strong ground to raise concerns for a serious mental decline, instead Biden's page has pretty vague comments of him being "confused" and "disoriented". I know i may be indicating bias towards Trump, but i am definitely not supporting him. I believe both Trump and Biden are too senile to be running a country and way past their mental and physical primes, but such differences in both pages seemed unbelievable to me, that i had to write this comment. I have no idea whether this is deliberate or not, but if it is, it's disgusting and unproffessional. Bananmizzz (talk) 22:10, 13 November 2024 (UTC) — Bananmizzz (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

@Bananmizzz: It seems that your concerns are more with the Age and health concerns about Joe Biden page, and should be addressed to that talk page. Note, however, that a large number of editors added content to that page, and any of them could have added the sort of content that you describe—as you can, now. In fact, I would encourage you to expand the Biden page according to your comments here. BD2412 T 02:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add A Fact: "Trump claims crowd reaction at audience-free debate"

I found a fact that might belong in this article. See the quote below

During an appearance on Fox's The Five on Wednesday, Donald Trump claimed that the crowd went crazy for him at last week's debate, even though there was no audience.

The fact comes from the following source:

https://hillreporter.com/watch-trump-claims-that-crowd-went-wild-at-audience-free-debate

Here is a wikitext snippet to use as a reference:

 {{Cite web |title=WATCH: Trump Claims That Crowd Went Wild at Audience Free Debate - HillReporter {{!}} |url=https://hillreporter.com/watch-trump-claims-that-crowd-went-wild-at-audience-free-debate |website=HillReporter |access-date=2024-10-01 |language=en |first= |last=Todd |quote=During an appearance on Fox's The Five on Wednesday, Donald Trump claimed that the crowd went crazy for him at last week's debate, even though there was no audience.}}

This post was generated using the Add A Fact browser extension.

BD2412 T 12:36, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Claim that Trump was shot

The section about the 2024 assassination attempt currently claims that "Trump was shot and wounded in his upper right ear by Thomas Matthew Crooks, a 20-year-old man from Bethel Park, Pennsylvania". The sourcing does not support this claim. The first sources states that the USSS had "not yet publicly confirmed that Mr. Trump was shot in the ear", whereas the wording makes it sound like 1) Trump was shot i.e. hit by a bullet and 2) that the ear wound is the result of the bullet, and not, say, shrapnel. I suggest we reword this to "Trump was shot at by Thomas Matthew Crooks, a 20-year-old man from Bethel Park, Pennsylvania" and leave the ear part to the second paragraph. Cortador (talk) 22:18, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cortador: Reword it, then. BD2412 T 23:29, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trump and Biden same age 4 years apart.

Note that Trump is the same age Biden was in 2020 2600:6C46:6800:21F8:C090:8BA7:F018:C4FF (talk) 05:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Close, but not exactly. At this point in 2020, Biden was still 77, while Trump is now 78. BD2412 T 13:11, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is an infobox still relevant for this page?

I think it would be better off if it's replaced with a photo regarding his health concerns. The infobox on Biden's page was already deleted, so well I think the same should be done for Trump's page. G0dzillaboy02 (talk) 14:55, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fully agree and

Done. The infobox was serving no purpose — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:54, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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You incorrectly stated in Donald Trump's COVID diagnosis section that the public did not know about his diagnosis until 2021. You should correctly state that we did know in 2020, we later learned he had it earlier than before. Please try to be unbiased.

      ^[1] ZanManDew (talk) 07:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thanks for pointing this out. Ca ^{talk to me!} 07:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/trump-covid-battle/

Extreme bias

Why this article is 50% larger than the same page for Biden https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Age_and_health_concerns_about_Joe_Biden is just odd.

Yes, you can source up the wazoo, but anyone impartial knows that there have been and continues to be faaaaaar more concern over biden's age than trumps. Creditsam (talk) 21:37, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For example... Why is there a list of "Incidents"?

A few gaffes over many years doesn't demonstrate cognitive decline.

Biden's page doesn't have an "Incidents" list. Why not? There's plenty to go around there....

Can an admin post a bias notice atop this page? Or delete it entirely? It's a joke Creditsam (talk) 21:50, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Creditsam: It seems that your concerns are about the Age and health concerns about Joe Biden page rather than this one, and should be addressed to that talk page. Note, however, that a large number of editors added content to that page, and any of them could have added the sort of content that you describe—as you can, now. In fact, I would encourage you to expand the Biden page according to your comments here. BD2412 T 22:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

no. My concerns are about The clear bias on this page.

I am using Joe biden's page as proof of the bias here.

The bias on this page won't go away by expanding Joe biden's page.

That's just silly. Creditsam (talk) 10:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your statement was "Biden's page doesn't have an "Incidents" list. Why not?"; I explained why not, to the extent that it merely has not been added by editors. This page only reflects what has been reported in the sources, and sources have specifically tied the "incidents" listed to concerns about the subject's age and mental acuity. To the extent that such incidents have been reported as raising such concerns with respect to Joe Biden — which I am sure they have — I would absolutely agree that those should be included there. We do not shy away from including facts reported by sources merely because the facts are deemed concerning with respect to the subject. BD2412 T 20:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You missed my point.

I said "For example... Why is there a list of "Incidents"?" which is out place because like I said "A few gaffes over many years doesn't demonstrate cognitive decline."

You seemed to have glossed over that and just plucked the later quote which demonstrates the bias by contrasting it to Joe Biden's page.

This is a stupid game and everyone knows it.

"We do not shy away..." PUH-LEASE Creditsam (talk) 20:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I'm not the only one who has noted it.

See above...

I again reiterate that an admin should add a "bias" label to the header of this page Creditsam (talk) 20:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reference to "incidents" exists at all because sources have not only reported the items listed, but have specifically connected them to concerns about the subject's age and health. All sorts of interested parties would be glad to see Wikipedia remove negative content about subjects in which they have an interest. Automobile and airplane manufacturers would like if we removed reports of their safety failures; food companies would like if we did not report their instances of contamination and sickness caused by their products; and politicians would like if we did not report their health issues. If you think that there is content missing from the article that would provide balance as against this information, you are welcome to suggest its inclusion. However, this does not provide any basis for whitewashing well-sourced content that is clearly relevant to the subject of the article, and for which this relevance is specifically and directly drawn by the sources themselves. BD2412 T 22:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources from Public image article

The following lines from Public image of Donald Trump#Temperament have extensive sourcing. Some of these sources may also be useful in this article.

Since running for president,^[1] Trump's temperament and mental fitness has been a topic of public discussion.^[2] Trump has responded by saying that he has a "great temperament"^[3] and is a "very stable genius".^[4]

Kolya Butternut (talk) 15:08, 13 January 2025 (UTC) [reply]

^
- Levin, Aaron (25 August 2016). "History of Goldwater Rule Recalled as Media Try to Diagnose Trump". Psychiatric News. American Psychiatric Association. doi:10.1176/appi.pn.2016.9a13. [C]olumnists and op-ed writers decided en masse to diagnose one of the candidates with mental illness.
- Siegel, Lee (February 22, 2017). "Avoiding questions about Trump's mental health is a betrayal of public trust". Columbia Journalism Review. Retrieved 11 July 2021. Since Trump declared his intention to run for president, there has been speculation on his mental state.
- "Trump's mental health and why people are discussing it". BBC News. 6 January 2018. Retrieved 11 July 2021. It is a question that has dogged Donald Trump - fairly or otherwise - since he was elected president: is he mentally fit for office?
- Nast, Condé (October 26, 2020). "We May Need the Twenty-fifth Amendment if Trump Loses". The New Yorker. Retrieved 11 July 2021. The questioning of Trump's fitness has persisted throughout his Presidency, as members of his party and his close associates fed the narrative of a deteriorating mind.
- Drescher, Jack (1 March 2021). "On the 25th Amendment and Donald Trump: Don't Weaponize Psychiatry". Psychiatric News. American Psychiatric Association. doi:10.1176/appi.pn.2021.3.37. In the past four years, claims were repeatedly made about the mental health of President Trump and his psychological fitness to govern.
^
- McCarthy, Michael (February 17, 2017). "Experts debate Trump's mental health in US press". BMJ. doi:10.1136/bmj.j864.
- "White House Daily Briefing January 4, 2018". CSPAN. Retrieved 20 March 2021. REPORTER: WHAT IS THE PRESIDENT'S REACTION TO THE GROWING NUMBER OF SUGGESTIONS BOTH IN THIS BOOK AND THE MEDIA THAT HE IS MENTALLY UNFIT TO SERVE AS PRESIDENT? MS. SANDERS: THE SAME WAY WE HAVE WHEN IT HAS BEEN ASKED BEFORE COMBAT IT IS DISGRACEFUL AND LAUGHABLE. IF HE WAS UNFIT, ...
- Rucker, Philip; Parker, Ashley (8 January 2018). "The White House struggles to silence talk of Trump's mental fitness". Washington Post. Archived from the original on 28 March 2020. Retrieved 18 May 2020.
- Maza, Carlos (24 January 2018). "The awkward debate over Trump's mental fitness". Vox. Retrieved 18 May 2020. Is Trump mentally unfit to be president? That is an awkward question, but it's one that's being asked on every major news network in America. President Trump's fitness for office is now the top story in the country.
- Haghbayan, Hourmazd; Coomes, Eric A.; Cheema, Asim N.; Shojania, Kaveh G. (October 2018). "Media Dissemination of the Montreal Cognitive Assessment After President Donald Trump's Medical Evaluation". JAMA Neurology. doi:10.1001/jamaneurol.2018.1777. PMC 6233843. The cognitive fitness of President of the United States Donald Trump and the ethics of his cognitive evaluation have been the topic of intense discussion among both the general public and medical professionals in recent months.
- "The 25th Amendment: Can Trump be declared unfit for office? Democratic Congress members tell Vice President Pence that Trump cannot remain for full term as not 'mentally sound'". Al Jazeera. January 7, 2021. Retrieved 20 March 2021.
^ Cillizza, Chris (1 August 2016). "Donald Trump's ABC interview may be his best/worst yet". Washington Post. Archived from the original on 17 October 2019. Retrieved 18 May 2020.
^
- Baker, Peter; Haberman, Maggie (6 January 2018). "Trump, Defending His Mental Fitness, Says He's a 'Very Stable Genius'". The New York Times. Retrieved 11 July 2021.
- Forgey, Quint; Lippman, Daniel (May 23, 2019). "'Extremely stable genius': Trump defends his mental fitness as he tears into Pelosi". POLITICO. Retrieved 11 July 2021.
- Rucker, Philip; Leonnig, Carol (2020). A Very Stable Genius: Donald J. Trump's Testing of America. Penguin Press. ISBN 9781984877505.
- Parker, Ashley; Wan, William (July 22, 2020). "Trump keeps boasting about passing a cognitive test — but it doesn't mean what he thinks it does". Washington Post. Retrieved 1 July 2021.

I went ahead and added a sentence to Age and health concerns about Donald Trump#Mental health.[1] Kolya Butternut (talk) 18:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/trump-covid-battle/

[2] 
Levin, Aaron (25 August 2016). "History of Goldwater Rule Recalled as Media Try to Diagnose Trump". Psychiatric News. American Psychiatric Association. doi:10.1176/appi.pn.2016.9a13. [C]olumnists and op-ed writers decided en masse to diagnose one of the candidates with mental illness.

Siegel, Lee (February 22, 2017). "Avoiding questions about Trump's mental health is a betrayal of public trust". Columbia Journalism Review. Retrieved 11 July 2021. Since Trump declared his intention to run for president, there has been speculation on his mental state.

"Trump's mental health and why people are discussing it". BBC News. 6 January 2018. Retrieved 11 July 2021. It is a question that has dogged Donald Trump - fairly or otherwise - since he was elected president: is he mentally fit for office?

Nast, Condé (October 26, 2020). "We May Need the Twenty-fifth Amendment if Trump Loses". The New Yorker. Retrieved 11 July 2021. The questioning of Trump's fitness has persisted throughout his Presidency, as members of his party and his close associates fed the narrative of a deteriorating mind.

Drescher, Jack (1 March 2021). "On the 25th Amendment and Donald Trump: Don't Weaponize Psychiatry". Psychiatric News. American Psychiatric Association. doi:10.1176/appi.pn.2021.3.37. In the past four years, claims were repeatedly made about the mental health of President Trump and his psychological fitness to govern.

[3] Levin, Aaron (25 August 2016). "History of Goldwater Rule Recalled as Media Try to Diagnose Trump". Psychiatric News. American Psychiatric Association. doi:10.1176/appi.pn.2016.9a13. [C]olumnists and op-ed writers decided en masse to diagnose one of the candidates with mental illness.

[4] Siegel, Lee (February 22, 2017). "Avoiding questions about Trump's mental health is a betrayal of public trust". Columbia Journalism Review. Retrieved 11 July 2021. Since Trump declared his intention to run for president, there has been speculation on his mental state.

[5] "Trump's mental health and why people are discussing it". BBC News. 6 January 2018. Retrieved 11 July 2021. It is a question that has dogged Donald Trump - fairly or otherwise - since he was elected president: is he mentally fit for office?

[6] Nast, Condé (October 26, 2020). "We May Need the Twenty-fifth Amendment if Trump Loses". The New Yorker. Retrieved 11 July 2021. The questioning of Trump's fitness has persisted throughout his Presidency, as members of his party and his close associates fed the narrative of a deteriorating mind.

[7] Drescher, Jack (1 March 2021). "On the 25th Amendment and Donald Trump: Don't Weaponize Psychiatry". Psychiatric News. American Psychiatric Association. doi:10.1176/appi.pn.2021.3.37. In the past four years, claims were repeatedly made about the mental health of President Trump and his psychological fitness to govern.

[3] 
McCarthy, Michael (February 17, 2017). "Experts debate Trump's mental health in US press". BMJ. doi:10.1136/bmj.j864.

"White House Daily Briefing January 4, 2018". CSPAN. Retrieved 20 March 2021. REPORTER: WHAT IS THE PRESIDENT'S REACTION TO THE GROWING NUMBER OF SUGGESTIONS BOTH IN THIS BOOK AND THE MEDIA THAT HE IS MENTALLY UNFIT TO SERVE AS PRESIDENT? MS. SANDERS: THE SAME WAY WE HAVE WHEN IT HAS BEEN ASKED BEFORE COMBAT IT IS DISGRACEFUL AND LAUGHABLE. IF HE WAS UNFIT, ...

Rucker, Philip; Parker, Ashley (8 January 2018). "The White House struggles to silence talk of Trump's mental fitness". Washington Post. Archived from the original on 28 March 2020. Retrieved 18 May 2020.

Maza, Carlos (24 January 2018). "The awkward debate over Trump's mental fitness". Vox. Retrieved 18 May 2020. Is Trump mentally unfit to be president? That is an awkward question, but it's one that's being asked on every major news network in America. President Trump's fitness for office is now the top story in the country.

Haghbayan, Hourmazd; Coomes, Eric A.; Cheema, Asim N.; Shojania, Kaveh G. (October 2018). "Media Dissemination of the Montreal Cognitive Assessment After President Donald Trump's Medical Evaluation". JAMA Neurology. doi:10.1001/jamaneurol.2018.1777. PMC 6233843. The cognitive fitness of President of the United States Donald Trump and the ethics of his cognitive evaluation have been the topic of intense discussion among both the general public and medical professionals in recent months.

"The 25th Amendment: Can Trump be declared unfit for office? Democratic Congress members tell Vice President Pence that Trump cannot remain for full term as not 'mentally sound'". Al Jazeera. January 7, 2021. Retrieved 20 March 2021.

[9] McCarthy, Michael (February 17, 2017). "Experts debate Trump's mental health in US press". BMJ. doi:10.1136/bmj.j864.

[10] "White House Daily Briefing January 4, 2018". CSPAN. Retrieved 20 March 2021. REPORTER: WHAT IS THE PRESIDENT'S REACTION TO THE GROWING NUMBER OF SUGGESTIONS BOTH IN THIS BOOK AND THE MEDIA THAT HE IS MENTALLY UNFIT TO SERVE AS PRESIDENT? MS. SANDERS: THE SAME WAY WE HAVE WHEN IT HAS BEEN ASKED BEFORE COMBAT IT IS DISGRACEFUL AND LAUGHABLE. IF HE WAS UNFIT, ...

[11] Rucker, Philip; Parker, Ashley (8 January 2018). "The White House struggles to silence talk of Trump's mental fitness". Washington Post. Archived from the original on 28 March 2020. Retrieved 18 May 2020.

[12] Maza, Carlos (24 January 2018). "The awkward debate over Trump's mental fitness". Vox. Retrieved 18 May 2020. Is Trump mentally unfit to be president? That is an awkward question, but it's one that's being asked on every major news network in America. President Trump's fitness for office is now the top story in the country.

[13] Haghbayan, Hourmazd; Coomes, Eric A.; Cheema, Asim N.; Shojania, Kaveh G. (October 2018). "Media Dissemination of the Montreal Cognitive Assessment After President Donald Trump's Medical Evaluation". JAMA Neurology. doi:10.1001/jamaneurol.2018.1777. PMC 6233843. The cognitive fitness of President of the United States Donald Trump and the ethics of his cognitive evaluation have been the topic of intense discussion among both the general public and medical professionals in recent months.

[14] "The 25th Amendment: Can Trump be declared unfit for office? Democratic Congress members tell Vice President Pence that Trump cannot remain for full term as not 'mentally sound'". Al Jazeera. January 7, 2021. Retrieved 20 March 2021.

[4] Cillizza, Chris (1 August 2016). "Donald Trump's ABC interview may be his best/worst yet". Washington Post. Archived from the original on 17 October 2019. Retrieved 18 May 2020.

[5] 
Baker, Peter; Haberman, Maggie (6 January 2018). "Trump, Defending His Mental Fitness, Says He's a 'Very Stable Genius'". The New York Times. Retrieved 11 July 2021.

Forgey, Quint; Lippman, Daniel (May 23, 2019). "'Extremely stable genius': Trump defends his mental fitness as he tears into Pelosi". POLITICO. Retrieved 11 July 2021.

Rucker, Philip; Leonnig, Carol (2020). A Very Stable Genius: Donald J. Trump's Testing of America. Penguin Press. ISBN 9781984877505.

Parker, Ashley; Wan, William (July 22, 2020). "Trump keeps boasting about passing a cognitive test — but it doesn't mean what he thinks it does". Washington Post. Retrieved 1 July 2021.

[17] Baker, Peter; Haberman, Maggie (6 January 2018). "Trump, Defending His Mental Fitness, Says He's a 'Very Stable Genius'". The New York Times. Retrieved 11 July 2021.

[18] Forgey, Quint; Lippman, Daniel (May 23, 2019). "'Extremely stable genius': Trump defends his mental fitness as he tears into Pelosi". POLITICO. Retrieved 11 July 2021.

[19] Rucker, Philip; Leonnig, Carol (2020). A Very Stable Genius: Donald J. Trump's Testing of America. Penguin Press. ISBN 9781984877505.

[20] Parker, Ashley; Wan, William (July 22, 2020). "Trump keeps boasting about passing a cognitive test — but it doesn't mean what he thinks it does". Washington Post. Retrieved 1 July 2021.

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