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This article needs a Table of Contents. ---Dagme (talk) 13:48, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

The name "Affirmative action"

The name "Affirmative action" is misleading and incorrect.

It is used to refer to a specific putative remedy to inequities in US society. That remedy can be fairly described as race based preferences in admission to institutes of higher education. The practice involves

1. providing inadequate educational resources to oppressed minorities at the K-12 level

and

2. instituting a bias in admission to institutes of higher education, towards those who are inadequately prepared as a result of 1. above.

A more accurate description of this set of practices would be "Retrograde Action". ---Dagme (talk) 14:01, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Some Proposed Changes

Hello, I am employed by Boston University's Fineman & Pappas Law Libraries. After reviewing this Wikipedia page, I believe that information from one of our faculty's scholarship might provide a valuable addition to this page. I would appreciate it if this requested edit could be reviewed.

Add the following citation to the fourth paragraph of the 'Complaints and lawsuits' section in order to provide a source explaining the background and legal action of Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard University:[1]

Add transition sentence between 'Complaints and lawsuits' and 'Public opinion regarding affirmative action.' Before first paragraph of 'Public opinion regarding affirmative action' section state: Numerous myths and misperceptions regarding affirmative actions shape public opinion on the issue. [2] These misperceptions often shape public opinion on specific cases as well. For example, in Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard University, the conflation of two separate issues -- Harvard University's affirmative action policy and specific claims of dismiscration by Harvard University -- colors individuals judgements on affirmative action as a whole.[3] Such conflation allows "longstanding myths about affirmative action and socially salient racial stereotypes concerning who does, and does not, belong in elite institutions of higher education" to prosper.[4]. Hence, it is often difficult for public opinion polls on cases, let alone the general issue of affirmative action, to be unaffected by such myths.

Cf2022 (talk) 04:25, 18 January 2021 (UTC)Cf2022

 Done Ferkijel (talk) 19:32, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Feingold, Jonathan (2019). "SFFA v. Harvard: How Affirmative Action Myths Mask White Bonus". California Law Review. 107.
  2. ^ Wilson, Carter (1986). "Affirmative Action Defended: EXPLODING THE MYTHS OF A SLANDERED POLICY". The Black Scholar. 17 (3).
  3. ^ Feingold, Jonathan (2019). "SFFA v. Harvard: How Affirmative Action Myths Mask White Bonus". California Law Review. 107.
  4. ^ Feingold, Jonathan (2019). "SFFA v. Harvard: How Affirmative Action Myths Mask White Bonus". California Law Review. 107.

A suggested update to the last sentence of Mismatch effect

The sources taken at the end of that sentence were based on research carried out before and around 2000, a more recent investigation however carried out between 2017-19 concluded the opposite of what the present linked information claims. Furthermore, the last sentence diverges from the point of the preceeding paragraph in that it focuses on the increase of enrollment and not the amount of dropouts due to the mismatch effect which is the point of that section of the article.

The update I want to propose would include the citation Michigan’s Black-white graduation gap is almost double the national average of 12 percentage points.[1]

Despite the fact the article makes the case these dropouts are down to a lack of affirmative action, the evidence present is contradictory to the authors a priori since the lack of graduation occured after affirmative action was taken, and thus suitable to this section of the wiki article. ---MrPreamble (talk) 08:41, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Washington, Eve (July 28, 2020). "Michigan's Black-white college graduation gap is one of largest in nation". Bridge Michigan.

Please clarify about Ickes

I cannot understand the following assertion: Ickes prohibited discrimination in hiring for Public Works Administration funded projects and oversaw not only the institution of a quota system, where contractors were required to employ a fixed percentage of Black workers, by Robert C. Weaver and Clark Foreman...[22]}}. If he oversaw the institution of a quota system, then he did not prohibit discrimination. That is, in fact, the opposite of prohibiting discrimination; that is explicitly mandating discrimination. (Also, I am pretty sure that the term used in legislation of that era would not have been "Black".) 184.145.113.157 (talk) 02:35, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

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