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A fact from Abortion in Africa appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 September 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that many African countries provide for legal abortion in their reproductive health laws, but such laws have been passed without grounds for legal abortion in Madagascar and in Senegal?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Abortion in Africa.

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by BorgQueen talk 13:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that in Africa, the only countries that have passed reproductive health laws without grounds for legal abortion are Senegal and Madagascar?~~

Source: [1] Eleven Sub-Saharan countries have passed reproductive health laws, and nine of them specify grounds for legal abortion (the exceptions are Senegal and Madagascar).

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Upper Skagit Indian Tribe, Template:Did you know nominations/Mama (My Chemical Romance song), Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Neary's
Comment: I proposed an individual hook at Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Abortion_in_Senegal, so cancel that one if this one is approved.

Moved to mainspace by Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 17:12, 11 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

@Vigilantcosmicpenguin: The source specifies sub-Saharan Africa, so there could be theoretically countries in North Africa that have such laws which are not reflected and thus make the hook inadequate. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:22, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Right, thanks for pointing that out. I could just tweak the hook to specify Sub-Saharan Africa; I think it's still reasonable to link that to the article.
- ... that in Sub-Saharan Africa, the only countries that have passed reproductive health laws without grounds for legal abortion are Senegal and Madagascar?
- The article already specifies this, so it still passes that requirement. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 20:19, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vigilantcosmicpenguin: I'm planning on reviewing this when I'm not falling asleep, however I suspect that any hook saying that they haven't passed a reproductive health law yet could fall foul of WP:DYKDEFINITE as they could theoretically pass one at any minute. I think this should be futureproofed. Also, I'll be looking to run all three in one hook, so I have closed the individual nom.--Laun chba ller 23:57, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vigilantcosmicpenguin: Please address the above.--Laun chba ller 08:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: Ope, I missed the first ping somehow. You bring up a good point. Maybe it could be changed to:
... that many African countries provide for legal abortion in their reproductive health laws, but such laws have been passed without grounds for legal abortion in Madagascar and in Senegal?
The first half of the hook is cited in the same source as the second half. I have added a sentence to the article specifying this, so it is now cited inline. I think this hook is good, but if this hook doesn't work I could change it to three separate hooks. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 16:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I will review these in the morning.--Laun chba ller 19:06, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, this took me much longer than I expected. I kept having to step away from this to calm myself down. All three articles are long enough and new enough. All three QPQs done and Earwig checks out. The hook can be found in "Abortion in Africa", except it says "as of 2020", and I think the hook should attribute similarly. I knocked together several short paragraphs per MOS:PARA, however many adjacent sentences begin with "In 20XX", which violates WP:PROSELINE. This should probably be fixed.--Laun chba ller 20:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: I don't think the hook needs to attribute "As of 2020". The article has to qualify the statement that these are the only countries to do so as of 2020. The currently proposed hook simply says that the countries have done so at some point, which is definite. As for the proseline issues, I will definitely keep that in mind, and I'll get around to rephrasing, but since it's not part of the MOS it shouldn't disqualify a DYK. (And thanks for your edits to the articles. I definitely get the "having to step away from this" part, especially with these doozies of articles.) — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 01:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(It's more the subject matter that wound me up than anything else.) I take your point regarding the hook. For what it's worth, I forgot to say that I can't see anything else that might cause this to deserve a maintenance template.--Laun chba ller 02:35, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: I have made some changes to address your concerns, especially on Abortion in Africa, which had a lot of "In year X" statements. I have kept the general structure of the articles the same, since I still want to mention when things happened and keep them in chronological order, especially with things like legal proceedings. I think the articles are better now. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 15:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's roll.--Laun chba ller 10:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Such laws have been passed without grounds" (Did You Know)

Oh my, I just spent 5 minutes trying to understand what it meant that laws that provide for legal abortion had been passed without grounds for legal abortion. Rinaku (t · c) 10:40, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]