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Introduction misinformation

How do "facilities made of poured concrete [to] deter self-harm"? Padded cells prevent self-harm. 2601:18C:CD7F:6064:F40A:37C:D11:7C5C (talk) 11:52, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Spies

Many ask why there are non-violent spies/traitors at ADF Florence since almost all others are violent criminals. Here is a good article that describes how Jim Nicholson continued to send intelligence to the Russians by having his kid visit him at the federal prison in Sheridan and take secrets to the Russian embassy in Mexico. I'd recommend that a couple of sentences be added to explain that continued espionage is the concern that drives DoJ to send spies to ADF Florence.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/05/the_spys_kid_part_2_russians_warm_up_to_son_of_spy_hand_him_cash.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.92.133.21 (talk) 02:41, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In the section about Robert Hanssen this page asserts that US spies were executed because of his actions, and links to two primary source articles about his sentencing that do not mention this detail. Now this detail is backed up by other sources and is extensively sourced in the main article about Robert Hanssen. I'm not sure why this page is sourced so poorly, especially about a detail that is mentioned in a myriad of sources both primary and secondary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1000:B154:46DB:B8C9:E55A:723C:1B4F (talk) 11:53, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

More Photos?

At least put in reference of more photos. What the inside looks like?

Andrew Fastow

Why put this Enron CFO in supermax? Asked by himself? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lynxlea (talk • contribs) 14:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC) Fastow and other prisoners normally have no say in the identity of the prison they are held in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.51.240 (talk) 12:30, 20 April 2010 (UTC) He is said to be "in minimum security tract". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.184.201.103 (talk) 09:48, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Media tours?

It says that on Sept. 14th, media was allowed in for the first time. I think this is in reference to the 60 Minutes airing, which did not however get inside of the prison, it only showed a couple videos of the inside. The subtopic, "Reporter's first-ever tour", contradicts the sub-topic "Media", in that one states that media has never been inside, while the other suggests it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.30.95.62 (talk) 14:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Copied content

Someone is Plagiarizing someone here...this page and the "ADX Florence" page on answers.com are identical http://www.answers.com/topic/adx-florence

DevoutHeretic 00:58, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, answers.com takes its content from Wikipedia (not the other way around). Under "copyrights", they properly credit Wikipedia and cite the licensing - "This article is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License." -Aude (talk | contribs) 01:08, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My bad, please dont kill the noob DevoutHeretic 01:18, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. See Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks for more details. -Aude (talk | contribs) 01:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I did suspect answers.com was taking from Wiki, and not vice versa....I'm also glad to see a proper citation Next time, I'll scroll all the way down. DevoutHeretic 06:49, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Rudolph

I was just wondering if it had been confirmed that Rudolph will be going to do his time at Florence? I hadn't heard anything one way or the other about where he was going.
JesseG 19:34, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

According to bop.gov, he's there:

http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderServlet?Transaction=NameSearch&needingMoreList=false&LastName=rudolph&Middle=&FirstName=eric&Race=U&Sex=U&Age=&x=15&y=19

Jkonrath

Human rights

Anybody else not really bothered about human rights for murders, rapists, etc. ? --Willrobbo 08:06, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'm afraid you're pretty alone in your inhumanity. (Narkstraws 08:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC))[reply]

The prisoners could, of course, not attempt to kill other inmates or guards and thus not require being put into a prison like this one. But, I suppose in this day and age, people are no longer required to take responsibility for their actions.

The USA makes the prisons of the Spanish Inquisition look like holiday camps...Truly the world masters of scientific inhumanity...Isn't life in solitary equivalant to torture? But maybe the USA will indeed bring back thumbscrews and the rack, in time......Colin4C 19:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Most Americans consider ADX Florence to be relatively humane. This is the country is where three-strikes laws have put away people for 50 years for stealing videotapes, where the Controlled Substances Act mandates a minimum sentence of 55 years for selling marijuana, and where capital punishment is so popular that the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of California, Rose Bird, lost her job for daring to oppose it (I personally support it, by the way, but I agree with opponents that there should be stricter due process requirements). The really amazing thing is that compared to the majority of countries in the world, we are still a leader in human rights (we were the first to provide public defenders and to routinely remind criminal suspects of their right to remain silent).--Coolcaesar 19:20, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but consider, which of these do you think is most humane: 1, You are incarcerated in some overcrowded, overheated Mexican hell-hole, with terrible maggoty food, overun with vermin and are flogged by sadistic guards on a routine basis. 2, You are put in solitary in an an air-conditioned antiseptic concrete box for the rest of your life with no hope of parole.

Personally I think scenario number 1 is more humane and less sadistic than scenario number 2. So maybe the USA can spare the rest of the world lectures on human rights.... Colin4C 19:55, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, wait, so you think institutionalized beatings are more humane? Ford MF 18:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's interesting to see that the "criticism"-chapter in the english version of the article about the ADX Florence only mentions a lack of security in that prison. The German version for example does not mention this kind of criticism, but it does mention that the conditions for the prisoners are to be criticised (isolation, cells without windows...). Klaus

It is easy to criticize something when you don't see the purpose of it. You have to take into account that the people sent here, they have no remorse, they have no feelings. What good is it when a prison inmate murders three of his fellow inmates and gets a life sentence, which he is already serving?

How do you punish a man who through his Aryan Brotherhood affiliation orders a hit-job on an inmates civilian father and succeeds? Another life sentence? The prison is their home, it's where they thrive. Organizing into gangs and gaining power is what they now live for. How do you punish them? The only solutions are exile and death. The federal government implements both through solitary confinement and lethal injection.

Something must be done by the government to protect the innocent and even the convicted from people who kill without blinking an eye. That is the idea of the supermax. With all the world's land taken up, you cannot send a person into exile and deportation has been shown to increase gang numbers (see: MS-13). The people in this prison are essentially in exile. They have betrayed the hospitality of the nation several times and killed or planned to kill innocent and convicted people. The nation responds by giving them the bare minimum to survive, essentially removing all benefits of civilization. The idea is that the convicted break the social contract and become inelligible to recieve the benefits of a society.

I am not familiar at all with the prison systems of other countries or how they handle prison gang violence, but I would think that they have no better solution to this problem of remorseless killers. When you give them social contact, they band together and murder people inside and outside the prison system with their contacts. So how does a society fight them? The obvious solution: prohibit human contact. Sabar^Cont 04:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The section giving the description of the genesis of the supermax concept is correct: the murder of two separate prison guards on the same day within the control unit of USP Marion was the shock that led to the development of the concept. Marion was, at the time, the only level 5 penitentiary in the US, and was supposed to be the final destination for the worst-of-the-worst. The control unit inside Marion was, essentially, the most controlled "prison within a prison" in the entire system, and reserved for inmates that had continued to attack guards and inmates once they were already in Marion. The fact that two people, both Aryan Brotherhood members with multiple murder convictions, managed to coordinate two guard murders on the same day within that place seemed to show that the current plans for super-secure housing just did not work. These were not stupid thugs; they were incredibly clever and crafty individuals that were widely admired within the prison system and had spent literally years patiently and calculatingly coordinating their efforts, all for a chance to kill again. Escape was not even attempted or contemplated. They just had nothing to lose and wanted to prove they could still kill any guard they chose just for the fun of it. The studies done afterwards showed that the biggest single enabling cause, above anything else, was the inmates' ability to communicate and have contact with other prisoners. ADX Florence reflects this; by not allowing the inmates to communicate with each other or the outside world, they are preventing them from orchestrating plans with their compatriots. Frankly, it is the only way. If you studied these men, you'd understand. As for the ones that were sent there directly after trial, such as Rudolph, the Unabomber, and Robert Hanssen, they are sent there mostly due to their notoriety. Segregated housing in a Federal prison, aka "the snitch ward", is not by any stretch a safe place, and since the bad publicity that followed the murder of Jeffrey Dahmer in prison by an inmate who simply wanted to make his name known, the authorities espouse a "better to be safe than happy" policy when it comes to VIP prisoners. Bullzeye^{(Ring for Service)} 05:07, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article could use some more detail. Only the most violent prisoners are subject to the full protocol. Others have more human contact and privileges. Unabomber Ted K, for example, famously (or infamously) posted on his Harvard 50th reunion website, so clearly he has internet access privileges, for example.116.91.78.243 (talk) 09:45, 24 May 2012 (UTC)Vainamoinen[reply]

This article violates WP:WEIGHT: "Neutrality requires that each article or other page in the mainspace fairly represents all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources."

This is a long article which concentrates mostly on the Bureau of Prisons' version of the story, including the supposed dangerousness of the prisoners and the need for this prison, with a relatively short discussion in the "Controversies" section of the criticisms of the prison, which have been extensively covered in lawsuits and other WP:RS. The "Controversies" section has been edited to eliminate much of the criticism, and has more space to the rebuttals than the criticisms themselves. This violates WP:WEIGHT.

The discussion above is wrong to claim that only the most dangerous, and the worst of the worst, are placed in ADX Florence. In the Wikipedia entry itself, for example, the double agents https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/ADX_Florence#Double_agents are not violent and not an escape threat. Many WP:RSs say that solitary confinement at ADX Florence is overused and counter-productive. For example, in the NYT article https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/29/magazine/inside-americas-toughest-federal-prison.html , Rodney Jones left ADX and adjusted very well to the outside world without any evidence of commiting more crimes. Jones said the staff psychiatrist stopped his prescription for Seroquel, a drug taken for bipolar disorder, and said, “We don’t give out feel-good drugs here.” This is deliberately denying him medical treatment for which he was prescribed. Michael Bacote was mentally ill and denied treatment. Bacote was also transferred to ADX in violation of the law, which is why he became the original plaintiff for the lawsuit.

But we should not have an argument in Talk about whether the prisoners "deserve" their treatment, whether Mexican prisons are worse, or the other arguments above; the only question in Wikipedia is what the WP:RS say and what the weight of each viewpoint is.

To start with, I think this edit https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=ADX_Florence&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=739308849&oldid=739000768#Controversies violates WP:NPOV by eliminating an often-repeated viewpoint, and unless anybody can give a good reason, I'm going to revert it. --Nbauman (talk) 02:40, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Removed text

I removed this text, as it is unsourced and seems rather sketchy:

Others lend criticism to the fact that ADX Florence was also originally built to house prisoners that have posed a danger to other prisoners and guards. Many inmates may be assigned to USP Marion or ADX Florence directly after trial, or tranferred without justified reason. As a result, many of those incarcerated in Marion and Florence are considered political prisoners. This was acknowledged by former U.S. Representative Robert Kastenmeier.

kmccoy (talk) 03:20, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Environmental problems?

What do nearby mining and environmental problems have to do with the prison? — Omegatron 18:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I've moved that section to Lincoln Park, Colorado. -Loren 23:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction

How can the cells be 60 feet underground and have windows pointed at the sky? Is this information fabricated?

I don't know when that got in there, but I've removed it. — Rebelguys2 ^talk 09:28, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The facility isn't underground; it just has no wall-based windows. It sure feels underground to walk it, and because it is built on a hill, entry is through a downward stair, but it is not actually "dug in."natcase 949pm, Nov 8 2006

Pictures

It would be interesting to have more detailed photos of the compound than the 213x127 (4096 bytes) current image. 66.253.36.140 10:35, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I found some pictures on the design firm's page. I doubt we'll be able to find too many more in public. Jxyama 08:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Under the External Links theres seems to be a empty bullet point which I can't find in the code if someone wants to fix Highlandlord 17:29, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On the ADX Florence page of list of prisoners before you get to the prisoner whole list who the hell is Matthew Donvito (MySpace stalker) did you just pull that out of your ass! If its possible please include a link like a article to go with it , for those of us that dont know! The Vagabond

Bed numbers

I suspect the number of beds may be inaccurate. In the report released by CNN, it says the prison has 490 beds, with approxiamately 430 currently occupying, maybe more. Does anyone have more information on this? -Cs92

Well, in the prison's own weekly population report, updated 11/9/06, there are currently 468 occupying, although it doesn't say total capacity, probably because prisons, even maximum security prisons, are often able to smush in a lot more inmates than it was originally designed for.

Anyway: google search for FLORENCE ADX 490 BEDS yields 259 hits. Google search for FLORENCE ADX 562 BEDS yields 155 hits, most of them seeming to be clones of Wikipedia. I think the 490 number is more reliable, as it has appeared in a couple Associated Press articles lately about the understaffing at ADX. Ford MF 05:25, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sept 2007 WaPo article about ADX Florence

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/29/AR2007092900928.html?hpid=moreheadlines

Registration (free) might be required.

LDH 11:31, 30 September 2007 (UTC) Update, it's here too:[reply]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21043739/

LDH 12:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Riots

This story may be noteworthy: http://www.coloradoconfidential.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3702 Ormaaj (talk) 11:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Islamic terrorists

When you write Islamic Terrorists beside the description of some terrorists do you mean they are Islamic? Why aren't they just called terrorists? Or why arent the religious belief's of other terrorists written? Christian Terrorists or Jewish Terrorist? Inagatt (talk) 15:17, 17 March 2009 (UTC)inagatt[reply]

If the prisoner is a terrorist whose motivation is Islam (or any other religion), then it is correct to state that in their brief description. If the person is a terrorist but their religion has nothing to do with their crimes, then it should not be stated in such a short description. If anyone knows of an terrorist at this prison whose crimes were motivated by their Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism etc, then add that info to the description of that inmate. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 14:08, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Eric Rudolph is identified as a Christian terrorist. So no fair claiming "unequal treatment", Ignatt. I think the real test is whether the terrorism is motivated, justified or otherwise influenced BY religion or religious culture. No? Don't mention it. Yes? Spell it out. Similarly, "white supremacists" and "black radicals" have their races stated, while most of the other white and black inmates don't. Anyway, just ask those guys, Ignatt. Do you think they WON'T say their acts were in the service of Islam? --76.200.147.218 (talk) 07:19, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiproject Prisons

If anyone is interested, I have proposed a new Wikiproject concerning prisons here.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 23:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Word-for-word copy

This article is an exact word-for-word copy from an article in this link: http://www.meaninglis.com/elite-supermax.htm

Please modify this article so it contains more information from several sources and does not steal others ideas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crd721 (talk • contribs)

Wow, you had me going for a minute, but I think this is one of the many sites around the Internet that copy and republish Wikipedia articles they think will interest their readers. Some are bad guys that don't give Wikipedia a credit in their version of the article. Here's a paragraph from the site you mention:

ADX Florence is a federal prison, comprising a 37-acre, 490-bed complex at 5880 Highway 67, Florence, Colorado. It is one of 3 correctional facilities of the Florence Federal Correctional Complex (FFCC), each with a different overall security level.[1]

Why do I think this site copied from Wikipedia and not the other way around? Because of the "[1]" footnote number at the end of the paragraph – they forgot to remove it.

Google shows copies, or fragments, of this article at about 10 other sites. Some sites properly give Wikipedia credit, like this "All material adapted used from Wikipedia is available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License. Wikipedia® itself is a registered trademark of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc." Other sites such as meaninglis.com do not, perhaps hoping to make their readers think they're very, very smart. --CliffC (talk) 14:45, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Inmates that attack others

The sentence 'About 22% of inmates have killed fellow prisoners in other correctional facilities; 35% have attempted to attack other prisoners or officers. Which means 43% have not attacked anyone in prison.' seems odd to me. Surely all you can infer from that sentence is that at most 65% have not attacked and 78% have not killed.

Source and citation needed?

82.69.42.11 (talk) 13:19, 11 November 2009 (UTC) Paddy[reply]

Text in Arabic

The inmate guide for ADX Florence has Arabic text here: http://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/flm/FLM_aohandbook.pdf

It seems to state Arabic names of US Government agencies WhisperToMe (talk) 05:11, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unclear or questionable assertions.

"Rooms may also be fitted with polished steel mirrors bolted to the wall, an electric light, a radio, and a television that shows recreational, educational and religious programming.[11] These are considered privileges that may be taken away as punishment, so they are placed and remotely controlled such that the inmate does not actually come into contact with them."

Some of this wording seems unclear, and possibly questionable.

"may also be fitted with..." -- are there actually any cells that do not have a mirror or an electric light?

"privileges that may be taken away..." -- so the 'electric light' can be taken away? I doubt it. Solitary confinement is acceptable constitutionally, but solitary confinement in the dark would probably not be. (More common is inmate complaints of too much light -- that the lights are never turned off, even at night.)

"may be taken away..." -- the steel mirror bolted to the wall may be taken away? I doubt that this has ever been done. And how exactly do they "remotely control" this steel mirror?

I think the "may be taken away..." phrase correctly applies to the radio & TV, but not the other stuff. So this is just badly worded.

Oh, and the cite given doesn't seem to confirm these assertions much. (But then, it's Fox News -- not what I'd call a reliable source.) T-bonham (talk) 11:18, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notable Inmates

I reverted a change that would have removed all the former inmates (and added a bunch more). It seems that McVeigh--among others--is notable and interesting. Also, how many entries should be here, really? We don't need to publish a list of inmates (the BOP does that) and it's really possible for the interesting entries to get lost in the list if there are too many. Nevertheless, sweeping changes like this really should be discussed. — UncleBubba ^{( T @ C )} 13:48, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't characterize the change as "sweeping", but regardless I am always willing to discuss edits. I think for the sake of simplicity only current inmates should be included in this article. A separate article (List of prisoners at ADX Florence) already exists for current and former inmates. Also as a note, the BOP does not publish a roster of prisoners—at least as far as I know. The only way to confirm if an inmate is in the facility is to use the BOP's inmate locator, and for that you must either know the inmate's ID number or full name. – Zntrip 06:40, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Release dates

Shouldn't we amend notorious figures like 2119 or even 2200 to simply - Life Imprisonment? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.153.160.23 (talk) 20:08, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dead link

During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!

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Notable current inmates list

I just wanted to explain this edit that I to the article. First, the section heading should follow Wikipedia's Manual of Style and be in lower case (except for the first word). The other major revision I made was to the placement of the "ID number" column. The purpose of that column is essentially to provide an external link to source the material in that row (specifically the name and the projected release date) and sources are usually provided at the end of rows in a table list like this one. – Zntrip 08:15, 14 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Kent Hovind

Hi, I noticed that inmate Kent Hovind was added to the notable inmates list. While the BOP Inmate Locator lists Hovind as being at ADX Florence, he is actually at the minimum-security prison camp. I'd like to place him in the FCI Florence article because he does not fit with the other inmates in the ADX Florence site. MDEVER802 (talk) 23:21, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Rudkin

I'd like to shorten the details section for this inmate to make it more succinct. MDEVER802 (talk) 15:49, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Notable inmates section "Details" length

I'm trying to keep the details part of this section four lines or less for each inmate. MDEVER802 (talk) 06:27, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Life sentence

Whenever an inmate is serving a sentence that is not specified as LIFE on the BOP Inmate Locator, but which makes it impossible that they will be released, I list it as a life sentence for purposes of consistency. For example:

MICHAEL RUDKIN, age 43, release date in 2099
MAHMUD ABOUHALIMA, age 52, release date in 2087
THOMAS SILVERSTEIN, age 60, release date in 2095
DWIGHT YORK, age 67, release date in 2122

Hope that's ok with everyone... MDEVER802 (talk) 04:40, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Anthony Casso

I believe Anthonoy "Gaspipe" Casso" should be added to the Mafia and drug cartels list. He was the former boss of the Lucchese crime family. More information can be found on him on this wikipedia page http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Anthony_Casso; I would do it myself but I do not understand the coding of the boxes when editing. Many thanks. (C_falco (talk) 13:37, 25 November 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Anthony Casso is no longer at ADX Florence, so I added him to the List of former inmates of ADX Florence article. MDEVER802 (talk) 11:04, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Notable current inmates

Why are these tables sortable? Several rows have multiple prisoners listed, ignoring alphabetically the inmates listed below line breaks, and the Status column is sorted alphabetically based upon text, not scheduled release date. The Details column should not be sortable at all. AldezD (talk) 14:23, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why are there multiple prisoners grouped together, and why are there separate sections for category of crime? What about "notable" prisoners who do not fit into those categories? AldezD (talk) 14:48, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Simón Trinidad grouped under Islamic Terrorism? Also, Ahmed Omar Abu Ali and Faisal Shahzad are grouped under Domestic terrorism, and there are people in the Islamic terrorism section that committed domestic terrorist attacks. AldezD (talk) 15:47, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

According to CNN, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is not being held at ADX Florence: "The Colorado prison where Tsarnaev was transferred Thursday is in the same facility as the Supermax prison, but it's a different prison." ^[1] --Klwill1192 (talk) 05:30, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/25/us/tsarnaev-prison-colorado/index.html

Steven Reid, Johnson, Milburne, Gravely

I do not see how these inmates are notable. They did not receive any press attention and were not involved in high-profile incidents. I would like to delete them.

MDEVER802 (talk) 21:00, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Clayton Fountain

The page originally had his death listed as "natural causes", with quotations. This is not appropriate for Wikipedia. The citation given lists his death as a result of a heart attack. If this is in question, the reason to question this should be given and appropriately cited. I have removed the quotation marks from this statement. Physicsguy2 (talk) 15:24, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Former inmates

Should we add a list of former inmates with two separate sections: Current inmates and Former inmates? Stephen"Zap" (talk) 00:17, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Barry Mills passed away a few days ago the day after his 70th birthday. The main page needs to be updated. https://www.cpr.org/news/story/aryan-brotherhood-leader-barry-the-baron-mills-dies-in-supermax-prison Gentleman wiki (talk) 02:00, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cartel leaders aren't organized crime figures?

Especially given that this section contains only one individual, why isn't he just included under "organized crime figures?" This seems like a distinction without a difference. 108.34.206.74 (talk) 03:42, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Security levels and visits?

The article says

houses about 400 male inmates, each assigned to one of six security levels

Do we know what those levels are and how they differ in their privileges? Are prisoners of all six levels in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day? How often can prisoners of the various levels receive visitors? AxelBoldt (talk) 22:02, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Political Prisoners?

The examples of famous prisoners doesn't fit at all with the claim that these prisoners are the most violent.

Robert Hanson, Ted Kyzonski, Terry Nichols, etc. These are political Prisoners in the sense that they threatened the State. They have no record of attacking guards or other imates.

In all these cases I've mentioned they were sent here directly from their trial as additional punishment for political crimes. It is the American gulag.

The article reads as government propaganda as written. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.9.224 (talk) 16:45, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wondering if this is where Trump could be placed if he is handed long sentences for conspiracy to insurrection, treason, perjury etc in the future... ;) 188.150.64.57 (talk) 04:35, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gowadia claim

On the B-2 article it says "Noshir Gowadia, a design engineer who worked on the B-2's propulsion system, was arrested for selling B-2 related classified information to foreign countries." But on this page he is the "principal designer of the B-2 stealth bomber". Obviously the "principal designer" worked on the propulsion system ... but can we try to get these job titles to agree a little better? A5 (talk) 17:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 10 October 2020

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) —Nnadigoodluck███ 20:56, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ADX Florence → USP Florence ADMAX – The reason for this request to rename and move this page is for conciseness. The official BOP website lists the facility as USP Florence ADMAX.^[1]

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^ "USP Florence ADMAX". www.bop.gov.

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Support. (Opposed "United States Penitentiary Florence ADMAX" and suggested the title USP Florence ADMAX for conciseness.) P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there ~~20:33, 10 October 2020 (UTC)~~ 01:12, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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how? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.158.143.4 (talk) 05:36, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 December 2020

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The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 06:08, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

USP Florence ADMAX → ADX Florence – Common name of the facility. I doubt a reader would search for "USP Florence ADMAX". Kind regards, Justarandomamerican (talk) Also, have a nice day! 19:59, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The move request from October 2020 (seen above) is obviously deficient, and the article should use the common name of the facility, either ADX Florence or Florence Supermax. I don't have a particular preference between the two if one is shown to be more common than the other. 50.248.234.77 (talk) 23:49, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Yeah, the rationale in the previous RM doesn't make sense. They wanted to move to a longer article title to make it more concise? Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 07:59, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom.777burger ^{(LET'S TALK)} 19:52, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Sal Magluta

Sal Magluta should be notable on this list Victor Grigas (talk) 00:06, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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