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Subtitle change for the Anderson Theory?

The subtitle "A Purely Internal Army Affair: the PKI and the 'Cornell Paper' " is pretty lengthy and rough. Might someone see a more succinct and elegant phrase? Smilo Don 17:42, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Film

Surprised this isn't linked yet: Pengkhianatan G30S/PKI. Considering the role it played in propagating the government's version... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:51, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I found an inconsistency with this article

This article states that Dipa Nusantra Aidit was killed on November 25. His Wikipedia page claims he was killed on November 22. I do not know which date is correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.136.18.95 (talk) 02:39, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not precisely coup attempt

A great resource is the CIA's official intelligence report (pdf here) that was compiled in 1968 and later declassified under the FOIA. It states that the term coup in its common usage (as an attempted overthrow) "might be misleading" (image). It seems laziness or lack of interest in revealing the truth (because they were communists) left many sources poorly put together. Shouldn't this be corrected? Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 16:18, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

930事件是穆斯林发动的圣战

按照古兰经说法不信仰伊斯兰教的都是卡费勒，真主赐予穆斯林的财富都被卡费勒也就是印尼华人抢去了必须用圣战方式夺回来。希望散落世界各地的华人要警惕穆斯林。另外，无论是天主教还是犹太教或者是保守主义，对穆斯林来说那都是邪教。Jg451 (talk) 13:58, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No evidence that Pki was responsible. Is disputed at best.

The responsibility for the coup is actually a matter of historic debate and interpretation. You have different people arguing on who is responsible. But it there is one certainty, the September 30 movement was made up of a group of mid ranking military officers. However to muddy the waters, you had the British keen to blame it on PKI for their own agenda.[1] Ultimately when you read the article, some argue that the PKI played a significant role in the events leading up to the coup attempt, citing its growing influence and alleged involvement in subversive activities. Others contend that the military and other anti-communist forces used the coup attempt as a pretext to purge the PKI and eliminate political opposition. Ultimately "there is no credible evidence that Sukarno knew about it beforehand, or that the PKI as an organisation or its mass membership were responsible for it". https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/17/slaughter-in-indonesia-britains-secret-propaganda-war So for those constantly not doing research and hastily changing the article into one narrative that's unsourced and unproven. Either stop or discuss here and show your sources. I reverted the article back to the last long standing neutral version.[2] 49.180.246.45 (talk) 09:45, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]