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Did you know... that American rapper 2 Black 2 Strong is best known for his song "Burn Baby Burn" about the right to burn the flag?

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The result was: promoted by TheAwesomeHwyh (talk) 16:56, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that American rapper 2 Black 2 Strong is best known for his song "Burn Baby Burn" about the constitutionally-protected right to burn flags? Source:here and " takes its cues from the current battles over free speech and the recent Supreme Court decision upholding a citizen's right to burn the flag. "You gave me freedom of speech in the First Amendment/ so why the {expletive} are you trying to scold me/ when I'm torching the flag I'm only doing what you told me I could. ... See I made up this new rule and I want you all to learn it/ strike a match to the American flag and burn it."" there and there "constitutionally protected" there,
- ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

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Created by Caro7200 (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:45, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: - Discography section is unsourced; no problems other than that.
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Discography section is the only one that is unsourced. In addition, could the "Early life" section be merged into the lead of the article? Just a thought though, not soething that necessarily needs to be changed. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 05:28, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reply User:PCN02WPS References added to discography. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 10:05, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Referencing concern has been addressed! Good to go. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 17:56, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Source

There's coverage in The Source, both articles and reviews, if any editor has access to those (very) old issues, or can somehow find them online...thank you. Caro7200 (talk) 17:06, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Attribution

Text and references copied from 2 Black 2 Strong to Flag desecration. See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:30, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Citation to the Supreme Court decision

It is definitely "on topic" and was both the predicate for and the subject of his most notable song. It also provides readers with context. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:39, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Parenthetically...

"Parenthetically, in the United States, the Supreme Court of the United States has recognized flag burning as being protected by the First Amendment.[A]"

This is true, but off topic in general, especially in the lede of an article about the group.

One of They Might Be Giants best known songs is about the composition of the Sun. Their article does not contain a parenthetical statement about the International Astronomical Union's statements on the composition of the Sun because it is not about the group. The Monkees similarly lacks discussion of the train schedules for Clarksville. I'm sure the American Psychological Association has positions on hand holding and needing support that would be out of place in The Beatles.

Johnson's inclusion in the song the group recorded is noted in the section on the EP. That is relevant and sufficient. - SummerPhD^v2.0 17:49, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See above. Reasonable minds and viewpoints on relevancy will differ. "Your mileage may differ." We will have to agree to disagree; and see what other editors may add to the frae. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:58, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To add to the lede in Milli Vanilli: "Parenthetically, the American Academy of Polygraph examiners finds that results from lie detector tests are less accurate when the subject is female."

Currently, this off-topic addition to the lede, cites a primary source -- a SCOTUS decision made before the group existed. Every song ever recorded deals with something that existed prior to it. The Catholic church's pronouncements on the Devil are not relevant to the Rolling Stones. - SummerPhD^v2.0 19:30, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, you are wrong about "primary source." I moved the paragraph. Your hyperbolic argument about the Rolling Stones is silly and fallacious and not worthy of refutation. This song in fact is specifically referencing the case. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:57, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies, it's not a primary source, it's an off-topic source. (The National Constitution Center's article about the 1989 Supreme Court of the United States decision, prior decisions and actions taken by Congress surprisingly does not discuss a non-notable song by a marginally notable rapper in the early 1990s.) Perhaps the section on "Doin' Hard Time on Planet Earth" should include a parenthetical discussing the DEA?

Material from sources discussing topics other than the topic of the article -- the SCOTUS case, the time of the last train to Clarksville, the Devil, etc. -- are off-topic. - SummerPhD^v2.0 22:38, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I moved the whole thing into a footnote. Hope that assuages your concern. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:44, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And to respond in the same manner in which you offered the suggestion that we add a reference to the DEA to the article – go for it. I don't think it's helpful, but we should see what you can come up with. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:58, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]