Talk:2024 United States House of Representatives election in Alaska

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RickStrate2029, do you have any actual argument for why all four candidates should go in the infobox? WP:5%R establishes the precedent that only candidates with 5% of the vote should be in the infobox. You can't just ignore me and say that I "lack an argument," the way a discussion works is that you actually respond and explain why you think I'm wrong. Also, why do you keep talking about me in the third person? It's really weird BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 14:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed on the question of only including the 2 major candidates (unless there's some real indication about the importance of the other candidates – e.g. polling). – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 16:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2022 spoiler effect

Mentioning @CRGreathouse, who mediated last dispute about this topic over at 2022 Alaska's at-large congressional district special election. I think a very brief mention of the spoiler effect in the 2022 race is important context for why Nancy Dahlstrom dropped out, and should be included in this article. @BottleOfChocolateMilk claims it's biased against RCV to describe the spoiler effect that occurred in that election. I have cited several reliable sources describing the race as spoiled. Do you think this is reasonable information to include, so long as the mention is brief (1-2 sentences on why Dahlstrom dropped out?) – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 01:43, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's important that the spoiler effect is mentioned. Without this context it's hard to understand the behavior of the candidates or the outcome of the election. I agree that such mention is brief.

As a rule of thumb I like RCV, so I don't this this is merely a case of slandering an RCV method. I feel like the general Wikipedia policy is to follow Brandeis and let sunlight disinfect.

CRGreathouse (t | c) 15:28, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Spoiled election" is blatantly pejorative. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 21:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Spoiled election" is a simple statement of fact. The spoiler effect just refers to any situation where the outcome of an election is determined by vote-splitting, as happened in the 2022 special election. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 21:39, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Like, similarly, I could describe the 2000 Florida election as having a spoiler effect, or the 2007 French presidential election (which is not the one you're thinking of!). – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 21:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Closed Limelike Curves, as far as I can tell, none of the three sources use the word "spoil". This is blatant WP:SYNTH. I would also note that two of the three sources provided for that statement in the lede are either self-published or opinion articles, and so are unreliable for statements of fact. Curbon7 (talk) 09:15, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you fully. Also please note that the corresponding author is a prolific and tenacious POV pusher, so you may find productive progress in the discussion to be difficult. Affinepplan (talk) 14:51, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Curbon7! Sorry about that—looks like the sources explicitly referring to the spoiler effect were deleted in this edit, which I'd missed. However, I'd be happy to restore them (particularly Graham-Squire and McCune's paper). Does this address your concern? – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 01:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

you would need a source attesting specifically to the fact that Dahlstrom withdrew to avoid a center squeeze, not a source about the 2022 election containing a spoiler effect.

in either case the language pre-change here https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=2024_United_States_House_of_Representatives_election_in_Alaska&diff=prev&oldid=1257028240

is more than sufficient to constitute a "brief mention." the passage I removed in the edit you linked was entirely inappropriate for this article and should not be reinstated. Affinepplan (talk) 01:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]