Talk:2024 Summer Olympics

Opening Ceremony of the 2024 Summer Olympics

Paris, France – 2024-07-26

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RFC on Participating National Olympic Committees

The "Participating National Olympic Committees" section is all over the place. The two maps don't match agree with one another, nor do they agree with the text and the table. For example, why is Russia shaded green in the first map? — Kpalion^(talk) 21:09, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Russia and Belarus are not participating at this Olympics. Thus, they should be gray on the map of participating countries. Do you agree? Vanjagenije (talk) 12:22, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Agree. Although there is an Individual group (AIN), Russia and Belarus nations are not participating. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 12:41, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

People from these countries are allowed to participate. It is not true that they do not participate. As in the previous Olympics, where the Russian National Team was banned. The map is correct.Jirka.h23 (talk) 18:51, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Shouldn't the map be representing the participating NOCs? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 06:18, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

No, it represents countries the participants are from, not NOCs, look to all previous games:(2016,2018,2020,2022).Jirka.h23 (talk) 12:07, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

This discussion is seriously convoluted (not only because country, state and nation seem to get confused). Before the relatively recent ban of Russia (first due to doping and then together with Belarus due to the Ukrainian war) this was fairly simple as national Olympic committee and states were not meaningfully different. However in 2020 and 2022 Russian authorities involvement in doping coverups resulted in banning the state of Russia for 4 years (ie 2019-2023). Participation of Russian athletes under Russian Olympic Committee not showing Russian flag or anthem was allowed. The question whether the 2 relevant maps (2020-2022) should feature Russia as country for theses is indeed dubious. In 2022 (after the winter games) the Belarus Olympic Committee (due to support of Ukraine war and treatment of its athletes) and in 2023 Russian Olympic Committee was suspended as Olympic committee (after it included substantial part of Ukraine (and their athletes) as belonging to Russia). This means that for the 2024 Olympics these committees can not send athletes. This is a distinctly different situation from anything before. While individual athletes from both countries are allowed to compete on personal title they can not have any explicit connection to their home country. Hence in any case for the 2024 map Russia and Belarus should be shown as not competing on the map (and not as having won any medals). (of course if there are neutral, strong sources that contradict my interpretation above I am willing to discuss). Arnoutf (talk) 19:32, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Hm, could you explain more thoroughly what exactly has changed so much since the last Olympics that the map had to change as well? I think it's still the same, athletes from these countries are still not banned, they can participate if the IOC allows them and their flags or country names still cannot be used. Yes after the start of the war, the IOC said that it would completely ban the participation of Russian athletes, but that later changed. Anyway, these two maps do not represent the NOCs, but what countries the participating athletes are from. If the maps showed NOCs then yes, those states should be greyed out.Jirka.h23 (talk) 07:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean by "from"? Where the ahtletes were born? Where they primarily reside? What county's passport they hold? What is the data source? — Kpalion^(talk) 07:50, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Edit Dispute on including certain info

I made this edit recently[1], which will likely be opposed by same edit warring editors and so creating this discussion. It to state China as being the only modern country, other than US, to have topped gold medal count at an olympics without having a home ground advantage. I reviewed Wikipedia’s core content policies - 'Neutral Point of View (NPOV), Verifiability, and No Original Research (NOR)' and believe that exclusion of that edit, conflicts with these guidelines.

1. 'Neutral Point of View (NPOV)':

Wikipedia should provide fair balanced coverage. Historically and consistently in many recent Olympic articles, whenever there's notable info like US winning its 1000th gold medal in 2016 Olympics or UK becoming the first country to increase medal tally after hosting a games, they are included in lead without issues. https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/2016_Summer_Olympics This year also had plenty of historic firsts and to ensure neutrality and fair treatment, China’s achievement of being the only modern country, other than US, to finally top gold medal count without home ground advantage, should receive mention too without issues. Failing to do so while mentioning that UK in 2016 merely increased medal count right after hosting games), only creates a biased view by acknowledging only certain countries' achievements.

2. 'Verifiability': The Verifiability policy ensures that all content on Wikipedia is supported by reliable, published sources. Here are just a few examples of reputable outlets confirming China’s achievement:

NBC Philadelphia: Stated that the U.S. and China ended with 40 gold medals each—a first for the Summer Games—emphasizing that this was a tie rather than a win based solely on gold count.(https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/paris-2024-summer-olympics/medal-count-who-won-most-golds-united-states-china-olympic-history/3941130/).

Bloomberg: Confirmed that both the U.S. and China led all nations in gold medals, reflecting their joint top position. (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-08-12/china-touts-olympic-gold-medal-tie-with-us-as-new-sign-of-power?embedded-checkout=true).

3. 'No Original Research (NOR)': I received replies claiming that China came second on gold medal tally but that reasoning isn't supported by reliable sources but just made up by anon editors. Wikipedia’s NOR policy prohibits the use of unpublished arguments or interpretations. The removal of China's achievement, despite substantial coverage by reliable sources, appears to favor editor-created narratives over verifiable facts. Wikipedia should not replace documented facts with personal interpretations or original reasoning.

Additionally, on China's unique status as the only modern country, besides US, to top the gold medal count without competing on home soil:

CNN: Reports China achieved this unique feat, being the only country besides the U.S. and the former Soviet Union to do so. (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/12/china/china-celebrates-olympics-gold-tie-us-intl-hnk).-

Newsweek: Also underscores this historic accomplishment, highlighting China's achievement in topping the gold medal chart without a home advantage. (https://www.newsweek.com/olympic-medal-count-show-china-making-history-team-usa-cant-stop-them-1937541).

These sources clearly establish widespread recognition of China’s accomplishments at the 2024 Olympics. To align with Wikipedia's core policies, it is essential to reflect this information in the article. Evibeforpoli (talk) 20:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Jimmkk @ I see you have continued to remove the phrase without discussing it on talk or giving any explanation at all. But I also see you had also at least added a major historic first and seems you now recognize it as factual. Instead of needing to be edit warring and progressing this to DRN, I propose two versions – One that is closer to what you already earlier wrote days ago – The United States topped the medal table for the fourth consecutive Summer Games and 19th time overall. China tied with the United States on golds (40), marking the first time a gold medal tie has occurred at the top in Summer Olympic history, but finished second due to fewer silvers; the nation won 91 medals in total. Or my original proposed version - China tied with the United States on golds (40), and consequently became the third country after the United States and former Soviet Union to top the most gold medal count at a Summer Olympics without the advantage of competing at home, but finished second overall due to fewer silvers; the nation won 91 medals in total.

Both really should be okay. But what I cannot agree is not letting any of that info in as both deserves brief mention. Evibeforpoli (talk) 00:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi there. I've tidy up again in the description. – The United States topped the medal table for the fourth consecutive Summer Games and 19th time overall, with 40 gold and 126 total medals. China tied with the United States on golds (40), but finished second due to having fewer silvers; the nation won 91 medals overall. This is the first time a gold medal tie among the two most successful nations has occurred in history. I believe that it's more acceptable. Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 09:02, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@Stevencocoboy Thank you, it's def an improvement over my version. It breaks it into two sentences and made it easier for readers so your tidying up indeed is a welcome improvement and I agree it's more acceptable. :) Evibeforpoli (talk) 00:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

The most successful games

The statistics are in: 12.5 million tickets have been sold for the Paris Olympics, and 2.5 million for the Paralympics, according to the French sports newspaper ‘L'équipe’, setting a new record for both. What's more, in the last line of the last paragraph I would have added a success for the locals (who were unfavourable to begin with). Is it possible to add these two pieces of information to the introductory paragraph? 46.193.65.57 (talk) 07:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

The numbers could be added, with sourcing, but not any claim that this means the Games were the most successful. That would be subjective, and depend on many factors. HiLo48 (talk) 15:09, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Translation of the official name in the local name ?

Should we add the names "Jeux olympiques d'été 2024"/"Jeux de la XXXIIIe olympiade" at the summit of the page? 2A01:CB16:2003:4532:E9DB:E46B:7FB9:CC32 (talk) 18:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Double dagger symbol for United States?

Does anyone know why the United States's name is followed by a double dagger (‡) in the medal table? That symbol doesn't seem to appear anywhere else on the page, and there is no explanation. I tried to edit the table, but it seems to be pulling information from somewhere else and I couldn't figure out how, so I wasn't able to get to the bottom of it. 2603:7000:34F0:1BB0:C57B:B7D3:40A2:80 (talk) 18:20, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

The double dagger (‡) is for Changes in medal standings. Specifically for the demoted of Jordan Chiles from bronze to fifth. Now the legend for the table should also appear in the article.Nimrodbr (talk) 18:44, 17 October 2024 (UTC)