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On 13 May 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to Kazan school massacre. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Number injured

Current "Injured 20" may be incorrect. https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/11339895 - 21 people were taken to hospitals; 18 children, and 3 adults were hospitalized (6 children in ICU https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/11340343). `a5b (talk) 11:03, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Update from ministry of schools about hospitalized victims: 14:17. Минпросвещения сообщает, что из 21 пострадавшего 13 находятся в состоянии средней тяжести, восемь — в тяжелом. = reports that out of 21 victims, 13 are in a state of moderate severity, eight are in severe. Some victims may be not hospitalized, there were ..32 people were injured report from official TASS news agency.`a5b (talk) 11:22, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The update from A5b comports with what is being reported by the BBC. (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57069589) It is possible that the number of individuals killed may increase given the number of severely injured persons. Jurisdicta (talk) 22:59, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 May 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved, overwhelmingly. (closed by non-admin page mover) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 23:42, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kazan school shooting → Kazan school massacre – A gun was not the only weapon used, an IED was set off. Elliottharvickfan94 (talk) 03:12, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Remember, kids: when it happens in the USA, it's a "shooting". If it happens anywhere else in the world, it's a "massacre". That's because the USA is the only place where mass shootings happen. And never forget that Big Brother is watching you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.70.13.107 (talk) 10:51, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Are many mainstream media sources calling it a massacre? Jim Michael (talk) 10:55, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Every single source I have read calls it a shooting. Kellis7 13:12, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose isn't being called a massacre in mainstream sources. Probably does need a move though as it wasn't just a shooting. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:09, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose until massacre (which is a loaded word) becomes WP:COMMONNAME in reliable sources. We have a specific name for such events, school shooting. Brandmeister^talk 12:52, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose No sources I have read (which is too many) have said massacre. Almost all say shooting when referring to what happened in Kazan. Kellis7 13:13, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that's what the media does. They call it a massacre as a means to make it seem like it was the worst thing that has ever happend. It is nothing more than hyperbole. Exaggerating the whole thing. Kahnew (talk) 18:10, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, you must have misunderstood. No media sources are calling it a massacre. Most news sources I read call it a shooting. Hope that clears it up! Kellis7 18:15, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and the other voters' concerns. Kazan school attack sounds better in this context. Love of Corey (talk) 18:12, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. In English-language media, it is widely described as a school shooting. Mellk (talk) 21:16, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Brandmeister and Kellis7 -Gouleg🛋️ (Stalk • Hound) 15:39, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Massacre is very much a loaded word and I would hardly consider one gunman a massacre. BeesBeesBeesDotCom (talk) 19:51, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Huh? UserTwoSix (talk) 00:13, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is not a massacre by its meaning, and no sources are calling it as such. That would also be heavily biased, so to speak. --Integer123 (talk) 05:04, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per: WP:COMMONNAME. LOMRJYO^{(talk•contrib)} 15:58, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This isn't a massacre, and I haven't seen it called that in any sources. YoungstownToast (talk) 01:48, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per common name and avoid emotive language. WWGB (talk) 07:14, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Wikipedia has never called something a “school massacre” and it never should. It’s editorializing. Trillfendi (talk) 13:44, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It does if that's the common name, such as Columbine High School massacre. Jim Michael (talk) 16:37, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Media sources aren’t referring to the shooting as such, therefore the current name should apply. R. J. Dockery (talk) 03:59, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and SNOW close. Per all above, there's clearly no basis in policy for a pagemove. 174.212.227.187 (talk) 05:03, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:SNOW. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 01:56, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Birthdate 9/11/01 of the perpetrator could lead to conspiracy theories

i bet my butt of, that this willl become the usual topic: Find a source!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lovemankind83 (talk • contribs)

We have a source for it in the article. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:10, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Uhhhhh...okay...? Love of Corey (talk) 18:20, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That’s not the purpose of Wikipedia articles. R. J. Dockery (talk) 04:00, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lovemankind83, why... _TheKuygerian^contribs
_userpage 22:40, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing, prob need Western RS

" .. life imprisonment (equal to capital punishment in modern Russia) ... " - so, in the Russian Federation, that's a cognomen for "sentenced to death"?? Something's not correct here. Can we find an alternate source? This is a very widely-covered subject and English sources should be extremely plentiful.50.111.52.57 (talk) 20:59, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. English sources have dropped this right after day one. The only sources that will continue to cover this are obviously Russian. Love of Corey (talk) 22:30, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They lost interest when they realised that the gunman doesn't appear to have had an ideological motive. Jim Michael (talk) 22:41, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Only 2 days old. Pretty bloody recent.50.111.52.57 (talk) 13:32, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say that. From my observations, U.S. sources don't really cover international mass shootings too much. Love of Corey (talk) 22:50, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is true. Russian and local sources will give us the most immediate events. Local can cover it indefinitely. I noticed this with the 2019 Virginia Beach shooting that I am still getting updates from the Virginian Pilot. Kellis7 23:25, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see. Love of Corey (talk) 23:36, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand Russian, nor its law, but I interpret this as saying that his crime was deserving of the death penalty per that statute, but a statute since then has overruled the death penalty, so instead it is replaced with life imprisonment. I do agree that the wording is highly "huh?" and someone who understands the law better should make it clearer. Plus, a Google translate of the source says nothing about "capital" or "death" at all Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:46, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]