Talk:2021–2022 Iranian protests

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How Iran's security forces use rape to quell protests — CNN
How Iran used a network of secret torture centers to crush an uprising — CNN

Text and/or other creative content from this version of 2017–2021 Iranian protests was copied or moved into 2021–2022 Iranian protests with this edit on 23 Sep 2023. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

On 15 February 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from 2021–2023 Iranian protests to 2021–2022 Iranian protests. The result of the discussion was moved.

CURRENT EVENTS

Why is there no thing about what is happening right now, September 19, 2022? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:6850:4750:BD44:9B6B:C98A:FD46 (talk) 21:26, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Because you didn't write anything on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.206.100.239 (talk) 22:02, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Removed template

I removed a Neutral Point of View template (see history [1]), because no talk was initiated here since template located July, 2021. PoetVeches (talk) 15:32, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mahsa Amini protests

Why is there nothing here about the Mahsa Amini protests? There was something here and then it was removed without explanation. Charles Essie (talk) 16:37, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are these protests separate from the Mahsa Amini protests? I've noticed this article stops at May and the Persian-language one stops at August, does that mean anything? Charles Essie (talk) 03:55, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think it means that the Iranian regime removes content it does not like. FreeFlow99 (talk) 11:23, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's interesting. I just thought it meant that the Mahsa Amini protests are considered separate from the previous protests. Charles Essie (talk) 17:14, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I'm not explaining my question clearly enough. What I'm asking is if these protests should be considered separate from the Mahsa Amini protests. Charles Essie (talk) 22:49, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

no the mahsa amini ones are what cuased this it started from that to this and the reason on y its removed is maybe some regime supporters are doing it 5.74.99.207 (talk) 14:18, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Verbiage Changes

Can we change the title to 2022 Iranian Revolution? I have info on the evin fire direct from Iran. This fire was set by the police and is being used as a pretext for a massacre inside the prison. Iranazad17 (talk) 00:25, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Intentions to improving layout

I plan on condensing the information relating to the 2021 Iranian water protests in its own article to tidy up this article because it has grown to cover more (and link to more) than the 2021 water protests (i.e. teacher protests, 2022 food protests, Mahsa Amini protests). Slowedblob (talk) 13:49, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Name

If the community has determined that the Mahsa Amini protests are part of a broader "2021–2022 Iranian protests", surely the name should be updated to reflect the fact that it's 2023, and the protests are still going on. Alssa1 (talk) 14:59, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

IMHO this article should just cover from July 2021 to mid-October 2022, and leave the Mahsa Amini protests to the Mahsa Amini protests article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by rolf h nelson (talk • contribs) 03:17, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The protests that took place before the death of Mahsa Amini were definitely separate. Charles Essie (talk) 16:33, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 15 February 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus to move, on the condition that the content about the Mahsa Amini protests is removed.

If this is not done in a reasonable time frame then this move should be reverted. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 14:30, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2021–2023 Iranian protests → 2021–2022 Iranian protests – The Persian-language version of this article says this protest movement ended in August 2022 and are thus separate from the Mahsa Amini protests. I agree because these protests appear to have been more centered on economic and infrastructure issues than women's rights and regime change. So I propose we restore the previous name and remove all content related to Mahsa Amini. What do you think? Charles Essie (talk) 17:11, 15 February 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ❯❯❯ Raydann ^(Talk) 06:27, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Iran has been notified of this discussion. ❯❯❯ Raydann ^(Talk) 06:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Potentially controversial move. Seeking broader community consensus. ❯❯❯ Raydann ^(Talk) 06:27, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Alssa1, FreeFlow99, and Rolf h nelson: We've discussed this in the past so what do you think? Charles Essie (talk) 17:49, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If we frame the Amini protests as part of "2021-2023 protests", we should rename it to 2021-2023 as requested. If we frame the Amini protests as qualitatively different from the 2021-2022 protests in the same way that the 2021-2022 protests are different from the 2019-2020 protests, we should edit this article accordingly. My personal opinion continues to be the latter, that we should confine this article to the protests preceding Amini's death, due to the amount of media coverage and the dramatic spike in objective numbers like the number of people protesting, number of arrests, and number of deaths. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 19:23, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with this line of thinking. I believe the Mahsa Amini protests should probably be broken out into their own thing, separate from the scope of this article, and the timeline of content here shortened appropriately. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 (talk) 21:09, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've changed this to the bracket descriptor, in line with the norm (wikt:norm). --- Tbf69 P • T 19:09, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
None of the other Iranian protests articles use that format so I'm changing it back. We can discuss this separately. Charles Essie (talk) 15:31, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support if Mahsa Amini protests content removed. --- Tbf69 P • T 19:09, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My point exactly. Charles Essie (talk) 01:42, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support the proposal and move of all content about the events from September 2022 to an article Mahsa Amini protests. Skovl (talk) 11:27, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

@Skovl, Charles Essie, and Rolf H Nelson: Please see the above close; the consensus is predicated on the content being split from the article. BilledMammal (talk) 14:32, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What would a reasonable time frame be? Charles Essie (talk) 23:00, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Charles Essie: I would think a month, no more than two? BilledMammal (talk) 02:54, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing article

The article is very confusing as written. Are these protest distinct from the 2021 Iranian water protests? Are they a continuation from the 2019–2020 Iranian protests (piped in the lead as “Bloody Aban”)? Is this article supposed to be an umbrella for those topics? Would a merger with 2021 Iranian water protests be appropriate? The two articles at least seem to suggest they are covering the same topic. It would be amazing if anyone who understands the protests well could at least rewrite the lead to convey the situation to those who know nothing about it. — HTGS (talk) 08:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]