Talk:2020 Atlantic hurricane season

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Section sizes

Section size for 2020 Atlantic hurricane season (44 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	8,643	8,643
Seasonal forecasts	16,633	16,633
Seasonal summary	4,447	26,753
Background	11,022	11,022
Record activity	11,284	11,284
Systems	173	91,344
Tropical Storm Arthur	2,461	2,461
Tropical Storm Bertha	4,346	4,346
Tropical Storm Cristobal	3,028	3,028
Tropical Storm Dolly	1,986	1,986
Tropical Storm Edouard	2,602	2,602
Tropical Storm Fay	3,623	3,623
Tropical Storm Gonzalo	1,806	1,806
Hurricane Hanna	2,321	2,321
Hurricane Isaias	2,362	2,362
Tropical Depression Ten	1,479	1,479
Tropical Storm Josephine	1,479	1,479
Tropical Storm Kyle	2,618	2,618
Hurricane Laura	7,012	7,012
Hurricane Marco	3,286	3,286
Tropical Storm Omar	1,738	1,738
Hurricane Nana	2,585	2,585
Hurricane Paulette	2,741	2,741
Tropical Storm Rene	2,467	2,467
Hurricane Sally	2,425	2,425
Hurricane Teddy	2,636	2,636
Tropical Storm Vicky	2,051	2,051
Tropical Storm Wilfred	1,390	1,390
Subtropical Storm Alpha	2,012	2,012
Tropical Storm Beta	3,622	3,622
Hurricane Gamma	3,170	3,170
Hurricane Delta	3,621	3,621
Hurricane Epsilon	3,606	3,606
Hurricane Zeta	4,731	4,731
Hurricane Eta	6,007	6,007
Tropical Storm Theta	2,559	2,559
Hurricane Iota	3,401	3,401
Storm names	4,027	6,629
Retirement	2,602	2,602
Season effects	10,947	10,947
See also	773	773
Notes	32	32
References	28	28
External links	519	519
Total	162,301	162,301

Change second sentence

The article's second sentence currently reads It featured a total of 31 tropical or subtropical cyclones, with all but one cyclone became a named storm. I would normally immediately change the word "became" to "becoming" as a grammar issue, but I've had some problems with WP:BOLD lately, so here I am. 🐔 Chicdat ^{Bawk to me!} 10:56, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done – Grammar corrected. Drdpw (talk) 11:14, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. 🐔 Chicdat ^{Bawk to me!} 11:18, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Storm tracks deleted

Can someone please re-add the tracks for the storms? The storm infoboxes now don’t look good because someone decided to delete the tracks. VehicleandWeatherEnthusiast2022 (talk) 00:00, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Trimming

As this article was tagged for being rather lengthy for readers, I have proposed a strategy for trimming this article. I believe as opposed to shortening the meteorological history, I believe the impacts of each storm should be removed unless… A) They are notable storms such as "Laura" or "Sally." or B) They don’t have an article nor meet the requirements for one.

It may also be necessitated that storms that did not get article for lack of fatalities or monetary damage, but still had some land impact, to get articles. These include Edouard, Gonzalo, and Vicky. Let me know any suggestions/concerns or alternate strategies you may have. Thank you!IrishSurfer21 (talk) 02:58, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IrishSurfer21 (talk · contribs) - I think you may have removed too much. I would rather have some limited impacts included rather than have the entire met history. I'm working through and tweaking how much info is in each section. For instance, you reverted my rewrite for Arthur, which mentioned the (limited) impacts. But your edit to Cristobal even removed the impacts which were fairly substantial. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits to Arthur removed a bit too much as well. I feel like Arthur was perfectly fine beforehand honestly. I think the tag is focusing more on the Greek Alphabet storms and Sally, which are all very overfluffed. I don’t think most of the storms before Josephine need to be changed now.IrishSurfer21 (talk) 23:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Especially Zeta, I am surprised this passed GA with that much overfluffing of a section. IrishSurfer21 (talk) 23:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well you removed all of the impacts, that's an issue. Every season article has some sort of impact. When I rewrote the Arthur section, I had a brief summary of the met history and the impacts. You reverted that and instead it focuses on the first special weather outlook, which isn't nearly as important as the fact of when the storm actually formed (and thus began the season). Similarly, the fact that recon identified the winds isn't that important in the grand scheme of things, not when the article is supposed to be streamlined. Each storm still needs to get the right amount of information, so I wholly disagree with your approach on focusing more on the met history instead of on impacts. Impacts are not "fluff". ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2020 tropical / subtropical storm formation records
Storm number	New record		Old record
Storm number	Name	Date formed	Name	Date formed
3	Cristobal	June 2, 2020	Colin	June 5, 2016
5	Edouard *	July 6, 2020	Emily	July 11, 2005
6	Fay	July 9, 2020	Franklin	July 21, 2005
7	Gonzalo	July 22, 2020	Gert	July 24, 2005
8	Hanna	July 24, 2020	Harvey	August 3, 2005
9	Isaias	July 30, 2020	Irene	August 7, 2005
10	Josephine	August 13, 2020	Jose	August 22, 2005
11	Kyle	August 14, 2020	Katrina	August 24, 2005
12	Laura	August 21, 2020	Luis	August 29, 1995
13	Marco	August 22, 2020	Maria	September 2, 2005
13	Marco	August 22, 2020	Lee	September 2, 2011
14	Nana	September 1, 2020	Nate	September 5, 2005
15	Omar	September 1, 2020	Ophelia	September 7, 2005
16	Paulette	September 7, 2020	Philippe	September 17, 2005
17	Rene	September 7, 2020	Rita	September 18, 2005
18	Sally	September 12, 2020	Stan	October 2, 2005
19	Teddy	September 14, 2020	"Azores"	October 4, 2005
20	Vicky	September 14, 2020	Tammy	October 5, 2005
21	Alpha	September 17, 2020	Vince	October 8, 2005
22	Wilfred	September 17, 2020	Wilma	October 17, 2005
23	Beta	September 18, 2020	Alpha	October 22, 2005
24	Gamma	October 2, 2020	Beta	October 27, 2005
25	Delta	October 5, 2020	Gamma	November 15, 2005
26	Epsilon	October 19, 2020	Delta	November 22, 2005
27	Zeta	October 25, 2020	Epsilon	November 29, 2005
28	Eta	November 1, 2020	Zeta	December 30, 2005
29	Theta	November 10, 2020	Earliest formation by virtue of being the first of that number
30	Iota	November 13, 2020
Source:^[1] * Record has since been broken.

Alright, here's an update. I condensed all of the storm sections, while the article has come down a bit, it's still too long. The season summary could be shortened more. I removed the table, because I felt like most of the records were set during the 2005 season, and it doesn't add enough as a visual representation of the season. Especially when you consider the quote that part of the reason for there being so many storms is improvements in technology. So I think a less-is-more situation is better for the article, as it helps cut down on the size significantly. Still, the article is over 10,000 words, which is on the long side. If the predictions can be trimmed a bit, and the lead trimmed up a bit, you could get it under 10,000 words. I don't really consider the storm names or effects as part of the word count, so the article is getting close to the point of being manageable. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:10, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I still think Eta is a bit lengthy and the Central America impact can be condensed more. In a season with this many storms it is going to be difficult to get it to a very low word count.IrishSurfer21 (talk) 00:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also don’t think COVID is necessary to note in this article, as it’s already mentioned numerous times in storm articles.IrishSurfer21 (talk) 00:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

COVID should get a mention somewhere, as that is a big factor for anything 2020-related. The article is now under 10,000 words, so I think it's at a manageable length. Excluding infoboxes and captions, the article is under 9,000 words. Therefore I removed the tag saying the article is too long. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ Andrea Thompson; Amanda Montañez (December 1, 2020). "In 2020, Record-Breaking Hurricanes Arrived Early—and Often". Scientific American. Archived from the original on May 16, 2021. Retrieved June 4, 2021.

[SA_mag-1] Andrea Thompson; Amanda Montañez (December 1, 2020). "In 2020, Record-Breaking Hurricanes Arrived Early—and Often". Scientific American. Archived from the original on May 16, 2021. Retrieved June 4, 2021.

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