Talk:2016 Chinese Super League

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Tables of attendances and positions by round

Information must be directly cited from reliable sources and should not be Synthesised. It is not enough that the facts are correct, it needs to be shown that the data is being presented in the same manner as reliable sources. Eldumpo (talk) 15:56, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The source now added appears to show the positions/points of the teams after each round, although it's very slow for me, and when you select round 2 it's currently showing the positions after round 2. Eldumpo (talk) 22:14, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

To put the table of attendances again !!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.73.2.102 (talk) 17:51, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I wish to see the table of attendances of all 16 teams again !!!! 62.98.234.145 (talk) 18:31, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The table of attendance is based on authoritative statistics. Please put the attendance table again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.181.206.26 (talk) 20:44, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Where is the table of attendance ? NYCFC (talk) 19:10, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

http://csldata.sports.sohu.com/ provides attendance for every CSL games Tigersandys (talk) 15:28, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also ESPNFC.US provides attendance numbers for every CSL games Tigersandys (talk) 11.39, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

To put the table of attendance, soon !!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by NYCFC (talk • contribs) 02:09, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Team Table

@Alexchen4836 and Eldumpo: (any anyone else) let's reach consensus - do we have use version 1 or version 2? I (obviously) say version 1, as version 2 duplicates the team name and uses non-English language sources. Giant Snowman 17:39, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it should be version 1, as per reliable English-language source. I fail to see any reason for the duplication in version 2. Eldumpo (talk) 17:52, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(1) About the club name. For example, Shanghai Shenhua F.C. changed club name to Shanghai Greenland F.C. in 2014 and then Shanghai Greenland Shenhua F.C. in 2015. You could find dozens of related reports on this if you google it. [1][2][3] and so on. So obviously, FIFA's website is not updated and still uses the old name. I don't think it could be a reliable source for the Chinese football at this time. On the other hand, Jiangsu Suning F.C. and Guangzhou Evergrande Taobao F.C. were named as Jiangsu F.C. and Guangzhou Evergrande in the Asian Football Confederation's website. How to mediate the conflict between the FIFA and the AFC? I believe the source from the Chinese Football Association would be better.
(2) About the team name. Unlike most of the football clubs in the world, Chinese football club owns club name and team name. And the names changed a lot of times. Club name can be changed when they changed ownership. Team name can be changed every year for sponsor reasons. Sometimes the team name would be more famous than the club name, the best example is Whowin Group, they are sponsoring Liaoning F.C. for 10 years and now team name Liaoning Whowin is more famous than club name Liaoning F.C.. The reason I put the team name in the table is it made too much confusion for the non-Chinese speaker. The source of team name is from entry form of each club. For example, in the Beijing Guoan F.C.'s entry form, you can see "Beijing Guoan Le Eco Football Team" in the form. —Alexchen4836 (talk) 02:21, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are a number of reliable English sources referring to the Chinese clubs similar to FIFA e.g. Soccerway and RSSSF. All three sites are regarded as reliable, and it should be about what those sources are saying, not what they may be called officially in Chinese. I've seen no sources having two sets of club/team names side by side when summarising CSL teams.Eldumpo (talk) 22:02, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Soccerway may be a reliable source for EPL, La Liga, et al., but I don't think it is a reliable source for CSL. For example, in Hulk's debut for Shanghai SIPG, Soccerway showed that he scored Shanghai's first goal, but in the match report of Chinese Football Association, it was an own goal by Ryan McGowan (and you could confirm it from the video clearly). Soccerway's incorrect statistics are superior to the Chinese Football Association just because they were written in English. I think it must be definitely settled. In my opinion, Transfermarket is a reliable English source for CSL, because it's updated by members closed to the Chinese Football Association and was strictly from the official match report of Chinese Football Association. --Alexchen4836 (talk) 02:28, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just because a source differs from an official source on a given fact, it doesn't automatically mean it's unreliable i.e. Soccerway. Community consensus is however that Transfermarkt can't be regarded as reliable due to its user-generated content. I've still seen no evidence of any English sources (or indeed Chinese) having two lists of mainly duplicate club names for CSL. I see another editor has changed the information back to a single list so hopefully the matter is now settled. Eldumpo (talk) 07:11, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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