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Naming

Why is it called the Lebanon War, instead of the 2006 Israel–Hezbollah War which is much more neutral? Calling it the Lebanon War misleads people into thinking that it is a war of the Lebanese army. Mahaalia (talk) 13:40, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

The 1982 Lebanon war was not against the Lebanese army either. FunkMonk (talk) 14:08, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Industrial damage

I merged this section from Attacks affecting Lebanese industry in the 2006 Lebanon war‎ following its deletion closure (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Attacks affecting Lebanese industry in the 2006 Lebanon war) and there was a NPOV tag on it. I did some mostly cosmetic editing (list to prose stuff and so forth) so I have kept the tag. In my opinion the sources are not very broad and a little one sided. I am only doing this as part of cleaning out a backlog, and have no attachment to this section, so will leave any further edits up to those familiar with the topic and external wiki factors surrounding it. AIRcorn (talk) 09:31, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

At the moment the section is exclusively about damages to Lebanon's industries, not a single word about damages to Israel's industries. I wonder if it's easier to rename it to reflect the context and add a similar section for damage to Israel's industries, rather than trying to fix it.
Here: "Significant damage was also inflicted on infrastructure: sewage plants were damaged and, in some cases, sewage had to be released into the sea and atmosphere (by burning). Over 50 km of roads were damaged and 40 km² of natural woodland, as well as 2 km² of cultivated forest, were destroyed by fires caused by the missiles. All these clearly constitute civilian objects, which are protected from attack by international law, and whose destruction served no military purpose whatsoever." “WarKosign” 11:21, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Casualties in the lead

"The conflict is believed to have killed between 1,191 and 1,300 Lebanese people,[58][59][60][61] and 165 Israelis.[62]"

This is misleading, as the number of Lebanese people given is apparently civilian casualties, while 165 is the number of total Israeli nationals killed, mostly soldiers. An important aspect of this particular conflict was that most of the casualties of the war were Lebanese civilians and this should be definitely mentioned. I changed it to:

"The conflict is believed to have killed between 1,191 and 1,300 Lebanese people,[58][59][60][61] (mostly civilians) and 165 Israelis.[62] (including 44 Israelis)"

But I was reverted. --Z 07:41, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

See Casualties of the 2006 Lebanon War. The numbers are disputed, but according to some of the sources up to 760 of the casualties in Lebanon where militants. so per WP:NPOV you cannot write "(mostly civilians)" and discard the other positions. "between 1,191 and 1,300 people" is correct and does not contradict any sources. “WarKosign” 09:26, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
The general view of most third-party organizations is that most of the Lebanese killed were civilians. See this Reuters report, for only one instance. Of course, there are dissenting estimates, but they are much in the minority. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 09:44, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
This "report" contradicts UN and Lebanese officials. “WarKosign” 09:55, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Which UN and Lebanese officials does it contradict? According to this AP report, Lebanon's Higher Relief Council, a government group, says the majority of those were Lebanese civilians. UNICEF also says most of those killed were civilians, and about a third of them were children. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 11:10, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
The article you cited (Casualties of the 2006 Lebanon War) does not contradict the statement that most of the Lebanese casualties were civilians. I even checked the detailed numbers: there was no "760" (IDF estimated the militants killed 800, but lowered it to 600). The biggest number of militant casualties was "700" with the reference being http://www.kuwaittimes.net/navariednews.asp?dismode=article&artid=1677308013 -- a dead link. According to the article, 532 militants were identified by Israel, and estimates by Israeli military (600) is of course have less value here. Anyway, there is no need to discuss the numbers: the secondary (Western) sources, i.e. news agencies, which have assessed the tolls, clearly maintain the majority of casualties are civilians. --Z 11:36, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Note that 600 refers only to Hezbolla militants. I summed all the militant casualties in Casualties of the 2006 Lebanon War - apparently including Israeli militants, which of course won't do. Without them Lebanese militants total up to 648, which is less than half of 1191, so your edit was correct. I'll restore it now. “WarKosign” 15:58, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
The sentence 'mostly civilians' contradicts numbers in the article itself:

Igorgwiki (talk) 12:23, 27 July 2016 (UTC)≤500 (Lebanese officials' est.) Igorgwiki (talk) 12:23, 27 July 2016 (UTC)500 (UN officials' est.) Igorgwiki (talk) 12:23, 27 July 2016 (UTC)Amal militia: 17 dead Igorgwiki (talk) 12:23, 27 July 2016 (UTC)LCP militia: 12 dead Igorgwiki (talk) 12:23, 27 July 2016 (UTC)PFLP-GC militia: 2 dead Igorgwiki (talk) 12:23, 27 July 2016 (UTC)IRGC: ≈6–9 dead (Lebanese officials' est.) Igorgwiki (talk) 12:23, 27 July 2016 (UTC)Lebanese Armed Forces and Internal Security Forces: 43 dead Igorgwiki (talk) 12:23, 27 July 2016 (UTC)Lebanese civilians (combatants included) and foreign civilians: Igorgwiki (talk) 12:23, 27 July 2016 (UTC) Dead: 1,191 (Amnesty International) Igorgwiki (talk) 12:23, 27 July 2016 (UTC) 1,109 (including 250 Hezbollah fighters)(Human Rights Watch) It means between (1191-580)/1191 = 51% and (1109-580)/1109=48%, so numbers says you're wrong ( I excluded IDF and Hezbolah numbers ).

Classification of dead as civilians or not

I have reverted this edit which removed the "mostly civilians" phrasing. I have also slightly modified the phrasing in the infobox which implied that there is anything contradictory in the fact that most people killed were widely reported to be civilians while the Lebanese government, in one particular report counted all of them as civilians. The reason is simple: the Lebanese government is not the only entity giving the reports and its classification system is not the only one used. Israel used its own, the UN used its own, AP used its own and so on. Even in the source cited the other figures are mentioned. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 12:24, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Gotcha. I understand your reasoning. :) --Monochrome_Monitor 17:03, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 March 2017

In the source code of the article, in the Infobox Military Conflict, please change

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   *It was widely reported that

to

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because the * is changed to a bullet point by the wiki syntax as it starts a new line, while it is clearly meant to be an asterisk for a footnote. The Idea of starting a new line behind notes= is nonetheless good, as there are several notes. The second note, marked with **, follows later, clearly separated by an empty line. So some separation is helpful for recognizing this structure. Micge (talk) 15:46, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Done Morphdog (t - c) 16:28, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for the quick reaction. However, there is an extra leading * now, that should not be there as per my request. So I made a new request to fix this small typo as this * transforms to a bullet point. --Micge (talk) 14:16, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 March 2017

In the code of the article in the infobox military conflict, please change 

 | notes=

   **It was widely reported that

to

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   *It was widely reported that

because the leading non-escaped asterisk is transformed to a bullet point. There should be exactly one asterisk, and it should be escaped. The * is just a small typo made when implementing the edit request above, anyway. Micge (talk) 14:13, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks, Micge. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 14:41, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Please escape the asterisk in the battlebox's footnote

As I'm not allowed to edit the article, I propose a small fix: When I look at the Infobox military conflict, the first footnote in the "| notes=" section of the box is marked with a bullet point instead of a single asterisk. This could be avoided by using the HTML escape sequence for the asterisk (*), so that consequently the Wikipedia software does not automatically transform the asterisk into a bullet point.--Micge (talk) 15:58, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Done, thanks to Morphdog and Kingsindian. --Micge (talk) 15:30, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Number of Hezbollah Fighters

The number quoted is several hundred (south of the Litani River)[13][14]

Yet their deaths are quoted 250 to 800

This does not make sense. BernardZ (talk)

Not every fighter became a casualty. What exactly doesn't make sense to you ? “WarKosign” 17:10, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
It says killed, more Hezbollah fighters were killed then were there.

BernardZ (talk)

Several hundred can be more than 250 or even 800. I don't see any contradiction. “WarKosign” 20:56, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

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Bias in the Article

Wikipedia should attempt to remain objective, as much as that is possible.

There is a graphic on the bottom right of the article that comes from the IDF forces.

There is no such graphic for Lebanon or Hisbollah.

It is secondary who you call a terrorist or not - when you display only one side of any conflict, you are incurring bias.

My suggestion to resolve this would be to add a NEW subsection, which could talk about general propaganda used by both sides and attempts to FOCUS ON THE FACTS. In this subsection then, it would be ok to show the IDF propaganda too. But as it presently is, the article is slightly biased. Wikipedia is still doing a good job nonetheless, mind you, but considering how many people may edit or view something, I really think that Wikipedia should in general strive to focus mostly on facts, but also on objectiveness as much as possible no matter who is involved in any military conflict. 2A02:8388:1640:9D80:0:0:0:5 (talk) 11:55, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

The infographic was made by the IDF and is clearly marked as such. Is any of the information it presents disputed ? If yes, the response should be presented as well.
The article has to be balanced, but there doesn't have to be exact tit-for-tat match - there is a picture of Lebanon's prime minister, it is not a reason to insist to add a picture of some Israel's official. “WarKosign” 12:15, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

United nations deaths

Why are the united nations fatalities listed on the right list, next to the hezbollah? Were they somehow fighting along side with hezbollah against idf? I highly doubt it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.167.76.43 (talk) 22:21, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

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incorrect redirect to "fajr"

in the section "Israeli air and artillery attacks" the first mention of Fajr rocket launchers redirects to https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Fajr_prayer when it should direct to https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Fajr-3

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 June 2018

Please change "The conflict was the setting of the Israeli film Lebanon (2009), which depicts warfare as witnessed exclusively from the inside of a tank. The film was widely lauded and won the Golden Lion award at the Venice Film Festival.[402][403]"

This is wrong, the film actually depicts the 1982 Lebanon war, NOT the 2006 Lebanon War. 208.103.253.182 (talk) 22:39, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done -- GreenC 01:46, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

False picture caption

The caption for the article picture reads "Bombed-out buildings in Lebanon, 2006". There are no bombed-out buildings in that picture, nor does the picture entry claim such. -- 131.188.6.22 (talk) 18:24, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

New information has been revealed by Qasem Soleimani

Yesterday, Qasem Soleimani has revealed new information about Iran's understanding and role in this war. Almost all Iranian press has covered it.[1]--Seyyed(t-c) 05:34, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

IDF Materiel Lost

Please User:Avaya1 stop reverting the content placed in the Battlebox of the Article. The fact that IDF Materiel is listed in the Article its because they operate this equiptement and lost it. Since Hezbollah dont use Aircraft, Tanks and Ships and/or dont lost anyone at this war it cant be placed. But is not based on reliability not to consider the materiel lost in the Battlebox. Dont call my edit a one sided edit. Keep the Battlebox as it was, unless you want to imporve something in it.Mr.User200 (talk) 18:50, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

The equipment losses in the infobox - which was added by me originally, and done through discussion at the time - was informative when it included the context. Now you have removed the context (why did you do this?),* but re-added them in a biased way. It's a neutral context simply to put it in the body of the article, as the equipment losses are not even listed for the other side. You seem to have simply removed the context (claiming to be saving space), and then re-added them. If you want to remove the context, then they belong in the body of the text. Avaya1 (talk) 19:26, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
Please stop reverting my edits or other editors edits in the Article unless it improves the content of the article. Avoid adding duplicated info. See the Casualties and Damage section for your. This page is under 1RR. This is my last word in this topic.Mr.User200 (talk) 18:18, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Please stop reverting edits made by me or other editor that improve the article.Mr.User200 (talk) 21:50, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
To adhered to NPOV - we should be consistent with material losses - if we present Israeli material, we should present Lebanese material losses as well. Furthermore, the information inserted was highly inaccurate and relied on OR / mis-citations (e.g. the F-16 crash was reffed to an Haaretz article which describes a 2010 F-16I crash (IDF jets, as other air forces, crash regularly during routine operations). Israeli losses in combat were 1 helicopter. In addition a single F-16 crashed during takeoff due to a landing gear fault, and 3 AH-64 were lost in accidents. Presenting accidents as combat losses is not generally how things are done.Icewhiz (talk) 15:26, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

The only aircraft shot down was a CH-53 Yasur(Sikorsky CH-53 Sea Stallion) but this was shot down at low altitude as it was taking off after deploying troops. [1]

the page Operation Change of Direction 11 gives a reference that states 20 vehicles were lost in the battle. [2] later analysis suggests it was 20 tanks during the entire war.[1] another study suggest one tank hit an IED during the operation and 11 tanks were hit by anti-tank missiles but not necessarily destroyed or severely damaged.[3] Ultimately there's no solid evidence regarding how many tanks were decommissioned as they were towed back to bases in Israel by Caterpillar D9s and possibly repaired.

one ship was crippled but returned to port under its own power.[4]

technically no materiel losses were experienced because all the vehicles were recovered. Comparing the article to Attack on Pearl Harbor which lists ships damaged but later re-floated and repaired there might be some merit to listing damaged vehicles that haven't been confirmed to have been destroyed. 49.198.44.232 (talk) 22:13, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

There is no consensus for POV. Nowhere an aircraft accident in one country is counted as war lose in the conflict in another country.Tritomex (talk) 15:03, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ a b Cordesman, Anthony H. (2007). Lessons of the 2006 Israeli-Hezbollah War (PDF). Centre for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University. p. 157. ISBN 978-0-89206-505-9. Retrieved May 7, 2019.
  2. ^ Hanan Greenberg (August 14, 2006). "Ceasefire begins; firing incidents in Lebanon". Yedioth Achronoth. Retrieved Nov 8, 2012.
  3. ^ Exum, Andrew (December 1, 2006). "Hizballah at War: A Military Assessment" (PDF). The Washington Institute. p. 11.
  4. ^ BRANNON, JOSH (November 7, 2006). "PANEL: 'HANIT' ATTACK WAS PREVENTABLE". The Jerusalem Post.

Aircraft losses

The source being used (Cordesman) explictly says only one helicopter was lost in combat. Strop inserting false information into the article. Here come the Suns (talk) 15:12, 26 November 2019 (UTC) The Full quote from that source is "...the IAF lost only 1 aircraft in combat , and four in accidents" . Given that, it is doubtful if even the helicopter losses should be reported as currently in the article. Here come the Suns (talk) 16:08, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

It seems you dont care to read the Book, you simply revert by revert. Please take a look and read the given page in the Link. 1 lost in combat, the rest to accidents. 1 aircarft, 4 helicopters.Mr.User200 (talk) 17:47, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
https://books.google.com/books?id=Ela6DjyEBQwC&pg=PA122 Mr.User200 (talk) 17:49, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
2006 Lebanon War#Israel Defense Forces - Second paragraph. Mr.User200 (talk) 17:53, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
I did read that source, and quoted what it says, above : "...the IAF lost only 1 aircraft in combat , and four in accidents". Later down in that same page it says "The only combat loss was a CH-53 transport helicopter " . Thanks for pointing out that the article body itself suffers from the same issue, sourced to the same book. I will be fixing that, too. Here come the Suns (talk) 22:23, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
There is nothing to fix.Mr.User200 (talk) 16:22, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
non-combat losses, which are described in the sources as training accidents, do not belong in the infobox, or the article section on casualties. Multiple editors have stated this (Avaya1, Icewhiz, Tritomex and יניב הורון). Do not restore it until you have clear consensus for it, per WP:ONUS. Here come the Suns (talk) 02:43, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
two of whom are banned lol. nableezy - 18:29, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
they weren't banned when they objected to the content, not that his ad hominem argument carries any weight. Here come the Suns (talk) 18:33, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
They are banned now, otherwise they would have answered the canvassing call. nableezy - 02:08, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
The book that Mr.User200 quoted says "accident", but does not mention "training". Do you have sources that classify these losses as training accidents? “WarKosign” 08:16, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
WarKosign could a investigation on Sockpuppetry could be made on those Users, i remember at leat one of those at least being banned for that reason. Maybe Here comes the Suns could be inestigated too??Mr.User200 (talk) 18:25, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
@Mr.User200: You seem to be under impression that I'm an administrator. I'm not. If you suspect sockpuppetry, see WP:SPI. “WarKosign” 18:34, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

augustine bielonwu august 2006 casualty

augustine bielonwu august 2006 casualty

he is one of many innocent un observers killed by israeli's (american in reality) "precision" laser guided bombs, this man is forgotten:

news.un.org/en/story/2006/08/190532-un-mourns-lebanon-force-staff-member-killed-during-israel-hizbollah-conflict — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.242.228.61 (talk) 00:58, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 December 2019

The IRGC death/presence is denied by Iran so maybe we should add (denied by Iran) after the IGRC casualties Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20161117152200/http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/15/AR2006071500189.html# "Iran denied that it had any troops in Lebanon." Creemyice1 (talk) 17:33, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

 Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:15, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 8 February 2020

Please replace the text on 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict:

#REDIRECT [[2006 Lebanon War]]

...with the following text:

#REDIRECT [[2006 Lebanon War]]

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...in order to add the proper Rcat to this redirect. Thank you! Steel1943 (talk) 00:03, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

 Done — JJMC89 (T·C) 07:49, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

update commanders

Hello, you should add general Qasem Soleimani in the hezbollah commanders list.

Amirreza Vafaei Moghadam 17:33, 6 March 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Astro amirreza (talk • contribs)

"Matériel" should be "Material" in Israel Defense Forces paragraph (Casualties & damages)

Small grammatical error, I don't even think it's worthy of a talk dection, but still. ConfusedEnoch (talk) 14:25, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

UNICEF report

UNICEF estimated that 30% of Lebanese killed were children under the age of 13.[180]

The link is broke, but the article is found elsewhere. It doesn't specify children under 13, it just says a third were "children" which implies 17 and under. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DoinItLikeADarBal (talk • contribs) 10:32, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 November 2020

Could someone please revert this? It's not an "Israeli claim", but a fact. These fatalities are factual information and nobody disputes them. There's nobody claiming that more than 121 Israeli soldiers died in the war, and this information has been checked by non-Israeli (or non-government) sources.--Watchlonly (talk) 03:02, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

 Done - Sounds reasonable. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 05:01, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 June 2021

Commanders in charge 1983kid (talk) 15:36, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:39, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Sources

I don't agree that the anonymous sources themselves, quoted by journalists are treated as credible sources in Wikipedia. Especially not with journalists in newspapers like the Telegraph. "Lebanese officials estimate" and "UN officials believe"?! I'm sure one could have interviewed many UN or Lebanese gov't reps saying quite different things at the time.

When Seymour Hersh quotes anonymous sources in the US administration claiming that the Syrian regime is innocent of chemical warfare, its OK to include this in Wikipedia. But the source should should be Hersh and not the "White House civil servents". I will therefore reverse Daveout's edits Jokkmokks-Goran (talk) 03:35, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Given the situation in Lebanon we are not likely to see an official estimate by Lebanese official given on-record, so anonymous sources reported by the media is probably the best thing we can get. Do you have any reason to doubt the number? Are there other sources quoting other estimates by "Lebanese officials"? I don't see the first source mentioning UN officials, and the second doesn't seem to be dealing with casualties at all, so it seems not to belong at all. I wouldn't mind "according to Lebanese officials as reported by the Telegraph", but it's too long for infobox and by the same token every other number not sourced from a primary source should also be described as "as reported by <news source name>". Instead, I suggest to trust valid media sources unless it can be demonstrated that other sources contradict them. Assuming that Hezbollah strived to lower the stimates and IDF to inflate them, the estimate seems quite reasonable, so I don't think this is an WP:EXCEPTIONAL claim that requires many high-quality sources. “WarKosign” 08:16, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
With a little hindsight, almost all serious estimates converged on two numbers. According to Lebanese sources and HRW, about 250 Hizbullah combatants were killed in the war. According to Israel government estimates, around 600 were killed. That includes Military Intelligence and Foreign Ministry.
An Israeli newspaper (Yediot) claimed that the main reason for this discrepancy was that Israel included all Hizbullah activists killed but the Lebanese only included combatants.
So delete all the tabloid rubbish and wartime rumours and speculations. We don't need Keegan's 2006 speculations about a 1000 dead (in a less than prophetic article entitled "Why Israel will go to war again – soon"). And we don't need the Telegraph's anonymous sources.
Jokkmokks-Goran (talk) 15:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Do you have sources? Presumably you're quoting the source used to backup hezbolla'h claim "usti.net". It's hard to tell how reliable it is given I can't find it anywhere, but I doubt it's better than the Telegraph. “WarKosign” 19:29, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
You couldn't find it? Strange, I found the original AP article with a simple google:
https://apnews.com/article/82ccc1313d4332f45e2dc09f6bd44989
And if you had checked more carefully, you would have notised that the same information was also found in a Jerusalem Post article referenced in the article.
I have replaced all the references in the article. And you don't have to worry, all the sources, that I introduce, will be totally blameless. Lest I will again be exposed to your disgruntled comments on this talk page.
Jokkmokks-Goran (talk) 22:38, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

And, while at it, I also suggest that we do away with the whole Iranian-soldiers-fighting-and dying-in-Lebanon-story.

Sorry, there is simply no credible evidence for that.

The best refutation is already in the article, the post-war note at the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs homepage. It details Iran’s support for Hizbullah: propaganda, money, weapons, training, etc. But not a word about Iranian soldiers taking part in the fighting or dying.

As far as I have seen, no other serious source mentions Iranians fighting on the front line. OK, Cordesman (2007) mentions Israeli claims of 100 Iranian advisors supporting Hizbullah. But no soldiers, no deaths.

Are we to believe that the NY Sun and complete crack-pot Aaron Klein (who among other things wrote a book about Obama being an agent of Chinese Communists) actually knew something that Israel didn’t?

Jokkmokks-Goran (talk) 01:05, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

NewsMax

Egsan Bacon removed an item from the article, claiming "WP:NEWSMAX is a deprecated source". This may be true from 2020 onward, but hardly in 2006. Newsmax was described by The New York Times as a "potent force" in U.S. politics and by Forbes as a "news powerhouse".

Jokkmokks-Goran (talk) 23:29, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Translation

In footnote 187 I provide a quote from an orginal Hebrew source as well as my own translation. Since I am not a native Hebrew speaker, any improvemants of the translation is welcome.

במלחמה נהרגו על פי הערכות שונות בין 300 ל-700 לוחמי חיזבאללה ונפצעו כ-1,000 ההבדל בין מקורות ישראלים ללבנוניים ביחס למספר הנפגעים נובע בעיקר מן ההבחנה הלבנונית בין פעילי חיזבאללה "אזרחיים" לבין פעילים "צבאיים"; כאשר רק האחרונים נכללים במניין ההרוגים מקרב הלוחמים.

According to different estimates, between 300 and 700 Hezbollah fighters were killed and about 1,000 wounded. The difference between Israeli and Lebanese sources concerning the number of casualties is mainly due to the Lebanese distinction between "civilian" Hezbollah operatives and "military" operatives, with only the latter being included in the death toll of the fighters.

Jokkmokks-Goran (talk) 18:29, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

This is a fine translation. “WarKosign” 08:31, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
OK, thanks! Jokkmokks-Goran (talk) 18:11, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Buidhe's massive removal of sourced, attributed content

Strange that Buidhe didnt remove any of the opinion pieces claiming a Hezbollah victory. He only removed the other side entirely. I don't believe for a second it was a coincidence. Please be alert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.246.140.56 (talk) 11:34, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 March 2022

Somebody needs to restore the Lebanese civilians subsection to the casualties section of this article. It was mass removed while "Israeli civilians" subsection was kept.

https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=2006_Lebanon_War&oldid=1064958610#Casualties_and_damage

The link above shows the Lebanese civilians subsection before it was removed. Please take this into account. 2601:85:C101:C9D0:8962:6D1B:7F58:D09 (talk) 04:30, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jokkmokks-Goran: I think the section heading was removed in this edit. The inforomation seems not to be entirely gone, but somewhat reduced. “WarKosign” 06:16, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
OK, I will fix it. Jokkmokks-Goran (talk) 10:04, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Can We Add Weapons ?

Can We Add A List Of Equipment/Weapons (Please) ? 188.136.9.17 (talk) 16:02, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 February 2023

The Headline "Israel planned for Lebanon war months in advance" is false and misleading, why not quote the leaked document or even the Haaretz newspaper instead of known Hamas apologist as Conal Urquhart?

The leaked investigation is actually regarding the lack of preparedness of the IDF for such event against the Israeli PM, Olmert, he in his defense says 

“had decided that in the event of abductions, there should be air attacks, accompanied by a limited ground operation." (This is like claiming that Britain prepared WW2 on a base that had policy)

He told the military that he wanted to decide ahead of any such event rather than make a snap decision at the time” – in other words, nothing more than a plan to respond if attacked. Having no military strategy against a heavily armed terrorist army with announced genocidal aims would have been gross negligence.


https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3380005,00.html BorgCyber (talk) 10:47, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 14:43, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

In summary it says hezbollah won and infobox says inconclusive.

In summary, it says "Hezbollah claimed the war was a "Divine Victory", while Israel considered the war a failure and a missed opportunity." 202.47.36.141 (talk) 03:49, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Someone changed it because someone is biased and not neutral, his rights to edit should be taken away immeadiatley.
This is not a good representation of wikipedia and it's neutral code. Nobody should take any bias and should look at the facts which in this case is that israel lost. 2001:999:58C:1337:7E89:5A19:FBAC:F913 (talk) 10:03, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Grammar error


The article has a grammatical error under the section "Aftermath" in the subsection "Prisoner swap". In this paragraph is the following sentence: Until that time, Hezbollah had provide no information on Goldwasser and Regev's condition and disallowed the Red Cross from visiting them. Using "provide" here is incorrect, but replacing it with "provided" should fix the issue. So somebody who can edit the page should do so. Thank you!

90.131.144.65 (talk) 09:28, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done RudolfRed (talk) 01:14, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

References

Casualty and losses box missing some live breaks on Israel side

As per topic, civilians runs on straight from military 89.125.113.69 (talk) 22:24, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

In the sentence "attacked and destroyed 59 stationary medium-range Fajr rocket launchers", the word "Fajr" links to the prayer https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajr_prayer.

It ought to link to the weapon https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajr-5.

I'd edit it myself, but I don't have permission. Warsage (talk) 00:53, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

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