Talk:2003 NFC Wild Card playoff game (Seattle–Green Bay)

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A fact from 2003 NFC Wild Card playoff game (Seattle–Green Bay) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 7 July 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that after Seattle Seahawks quarterback Matt Hasselbeck promised victory, he threw an interception that lost the game?

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The result was: promoted by Hey man im josh talk 01:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that after Seattle Seahawks quarterback Matt Hasselbeck guaranteed victory, he threw an interception that was returned for a touchdown by Green Bay Packers cornerback Al Harris that lost the game?

Source: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

Reviewed: Supernovae in fiction

Converted from a redirect by Gonzo fan2007 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 47 past nominations.

« Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good. Nice work. @Gonzo fan2007: The hook is a little long at 197 characters, still within the limit, but I think there's the possibility of shortening it. Do you like: ALT1 ... that after Seattle Seahawks quarterback Matt Hasselbeck guaranteed victory, he threw an interception that lost the game? or ALT2 ... that after Seattle Seahawks quarterback Matt Hasselbeck guaranteed victory, he threw an interception that was returned for a touchdown that lost the game? If not, the original hook is fine. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:52, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BeanieFan11 I am fine with any of the alts provided. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 01:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Team Logos

Charlesaaronthompson I have done this on a number of "game" articles, including some GAs. I always put the home team on the bottom. Stacking them makes them legible. I only do this for articles without a clear image for the infobox. Is there some policy you are pushing or some strong reason you feel it needs to be this way? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:24, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I do not believe that team logos belong in the infobox of notable NFL game articles. I believe that the NFL team wordmark logos belong only in NFL rivalry articles to visually describe and represent the specific team's name branding. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 23:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1][2][3][4][5] these edits are shockingly disruptive and pointy Charlesaaronthompson while an active discussion and dispute is ongoing. Per WP:BRD, I have undone them all. If all you are espousing is a preference for some other way, you know what to do. Establish consensus, I recommend at WP:NFL. I am legit shocked that this is your course of action for an editor of your tenure. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 00:16, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe this is WP:DISRUPT. I find it redundant to include team logos in game articles on this encyclopedia. I don't know why you oppose using images of the stadiums where the game was played in the infobox of each article, or, in the case of Fail Mary, an image of the play in question. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 00:35, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I dont understand why you want random pictures of stadiums in the infobox. Its a content dispute. If it matters that much, than follow WP:BRD, probably at WP:NFL. And youll note Fail Mary wasnt reverted. That makes sense to me. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 00:41, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll explain why: it makes more sense to me to have pictures of the stadium in the infobox because it could show the reader visually where the game in question was being played. So, I guess the question is this: how do you propose we resolve our dispute so there's WP:CONSENSUS? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 00:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would propose you start a discussion at WP:NFL. I obviously feel that the logos provide the reader more beneficial visual cues because it allows for a quick understanding of who played, which is typically way more relevant than where. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 00:59, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Opening sentence

"We want the ball and we're going to score!" was a National Football League (NFL) Wild Card Playoff game...

Saying it was the game (rather than a reference to the game or a quote from the game) doesn't sound right. It would make some sense and sound more natural if it was a simple nickname like the Ice Bowl. Which sources use "We want the ball..." as the name or nickname of the game itself, rather than as a quotation from it? --Jameboy (talk) 16:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jameboy It is confusing. It really is the "We want the ball and we're going to score! game" but "game" is not included in the styling in sources. Unlike say the Instant Replay Game which sources include "game" in. There was a past discussion on this that fizzled out, but I was open to just moving the article to 2003 NFC Wild Card playoff game (Seattle–Green Bay), which would make the opening sentence easier to write.

There probably needs to be a bigger discussion on some of these games, as what was originally a famous play has become eponymous with the game itself. I.e. what is actually notable is a game that became famous for something that happened during that game. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:13, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]