Talk:Ōsumi Islands

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Ryūkyū Kingdom

As far as I know, The northern limit of the Ryukyu Kingdom at its height was Amami Islands, such as Amami, Kikai, Tokunoshima, etc. English Wikipedia article states they "extended the kingdom to the Amami Islands", while Japanese article more clearly says "最大版図は奄美諸島と沖縄諸島及び先島諸島（大東諸島と尖閣諸島は含まない）" (At its height, the kingdom included Amami, Okinawa, and Sakishima Islands, but excluded Daito and Senkaku Islands.) Therefore, I suspect the islands north to Amami, such as Tokara or Ōsumi were never part of the Ryukyu Kingdom. The official website of Tokara Village, for instance, talks nothing like they were part of the kingdom, although they did note something detailed like "Around 1429 to 1440, Hirata Gonjiro Sadamune (sp?) of Takarajima went to Ryukyu. He bought local cloths and liquors, presented them to the lord in Kagoshima, and guided them to Ryukyu afterwards". On February 2008, I put "citation needed" tags on Toshima, Kagoshima, Mishima, Kagoshima, and Ōsumi Islands, all of which claimed these islands were once part of the kingdom. As none of them still get any citations, I will comment out the statement for now. As you can see, I'm not perfectly confident on this, so feel free to revert me if someone do have a good citation to back up the claim. Kzaral (talk) 12:32, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would tend to agree. The Wikipedia map for Ryūkyū Kingdom also does not include the Osumi Islands. Cheers PHG (talk) 10:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Other names

The Ōsumi Islands were variously designated by Western countries: "Cécille archipelago" ("Archipel Cécille"), after the French Admiral Jean-Baptiste Cécille, or Linschoten Islands, after Jan Huygen van Linschoten. (Samuel Wells Williams , The Chinese Commercial Guide, Containing Treaties, Tariffs, Regulations (1863), p.201 [1]) PHG (talk) 07:27, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Map

Osumi Islands, south of the mainland Japanese island of Kyushu.

Here's a better map of the Osumi Island group. Please feel free to insert it in the article. PHG (talk) 12:01, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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