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Boltzmann constant

You made an edit: http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Boltzmann_constant&diff=next&oldid=139267632 which includes "If, instead of talking of room temperature as 300 K (27 °C or 80 °F), it were conventional to speak of the corresponding energy kT of 4.14×10⁻²¹ J, or 0.0259 eV, then Boltzmann's constant would simply be the dimensionless number 1." I don't agree that the number would dimensionless, it would be eV/K, eV/^oF etc. which would still be representative of energy concentration which is the whole point of the Boltzmann constant. I have made a remark about this in the current 'Boltzmann constant' talk page. --Damorbel (talk) 07:53, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. That text was actually not introduced by me, but by this edit several years earlier. Rigth now, I don't have the time to think through your dimensional argument, but if you like I can look at it this weekend. — Sebastian 18:30, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your consideration, I am looking forward to your comments. I realised your edit was a while ago, but the general idea is still around and it seems to me to be part of a general misunderstanding about the difference between heat, measured by temperature, and thermal energy measured in Joules. Regards --Damorbel (talk) 20:09, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

OK, I did a little bit of research, and found your conversation here. I'm unpleasantly surprised that you did not inform me of that, since it is very pertinent. If, as one of the participants claims, you have been "belaboring this topic for months", then the chances for yet another discussion about the same topic here on this talk page to lead to a conclusion quickly appear to be slim. However, I want to give you the benefit of the doubt. I don't know what others said in those months; for all I know, the fact that they didn't get their point across may just as well reflect on their explanation skills. So, the following sentence seems to point at the root of the misunderstanding:

If as you say "Isn't that clear enough that temperature is just another expression of energy, of a certain kind of energy?" then it should be possible to express temperature in terms of energy Joules or ergs.

In an abstract sense, this may be possible, if you agree to do so. However, this is not always practical for a number of reasons, including precise definition of standards.

Let me explain this with an easier to understand analogy: Expressing distances in units of time. As you are probably aware, this is being done by using lightyears. In this case, there is no precision problem because we now already define the meter on the base of the second. It is, however, still not practical in everyday life. In everyday life, we get much more benefits out of keeping the two separated than we could gain by getting rid of the meter. Please see our article on natural units for an in-depth discussion of this. — Sebastian 07:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I am at rather a loss with your lightyears/time /distance analogy; does it mean that distance (m) in International System of Units is not to be accepted a SI base unit? With definitions there is always a tendency to run around in circles, hence the International System of Units provides for SI derived units? I think not. K is a base unit defined as "The kelvin, unit of thermodynamic temperature, is the fraction 1/273.16 of the thermodynamic temperature of the triple point of water" because these two points, 0K and the triple point of water 273.16K are repeatable measurement points. Even these are due for revision, see New SI definitions where you will read that the Botltzmann constant is proposed as a base unit, the speed of light will be exact (c = 299,792,458 m/s),the Kelvin is no longer a base unit but the definition of the second will remain inexactly determined i.e. it is discovered through experiment. Since the Boltzmann constant, a measure of energy density, an intensive measure, will become a fundamental unit, the definition of temperature becomes derived unit and thus is not to be determined from another derived unit, the Joule. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Damorbel (talk • contribs) 11:48, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

No, my example has nothing to do with SI. I was merely trying to give you a simple example for natural units. The main problem here seems to be a misunderstanding of the concept of natural units, and I really recommend getting more familiar with them, if you want to understand the meaning of the paragraph you cite above. They are an entirely different concept; you can't understand them if you try to express everything in SI units. Natural units are just a tool; you don't have to use them, but if you don't use them the right way you can't understand them. Here's a simple analogy: If you insist on using a screwdriver as a hammer, then you won't gain any real appreciation of its value. — Sebastian 06:54, 1 February 2011 (UTC), edited 23:13, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for making your position clear. --Damorbel (talk) 21:35, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Castellated

Hello.

I don't think this was a good idea, so I've changed the page back into a redirect to battlement, and added a hatnote at the top of that article saying "Castellated redirects here. For the hardware item, see castellated nut."

The problem is:

• Castellation redirected to battlement even though castellated didn't. That doesn't make sense.
• Many articles link to castellated and all of them appear to intend the architectural meaning rather than the hardware item.
• The architectural sense of the word can be considered the principal meaning. In fact, the item of hardware is called by that name only because the notches on the nut are reminiscent of the architectual meaning.

Michael Hardy (talk) 18:48, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the great explanation! You're making excellent points, and I agree with your edit. The only thing I disagree with is that the disambig wasn't a good idea; I still think it was better than having no link to the hardware item. That's the way Wikipedia works; everybody makes small improvememts, and it all adds up to a great encyclopedia. — Sebastian 00:15, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

About Languages Written in Arabic Script

As far as I remember, you have replaced all the languages from the lead but there were some which aren't mentioned in the article, i.e. Crimean Tatar, Avar and so on. It will be a good idea to collect the information about another languages which used or use Arabic writing system and add them. 62.220.33.64 (talk) 20:34, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. Since this concerns the article, I will reply there. — Sebastian 05:04, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

My RFA

Hi,

You asked me last year to drop you a note when I was running RFA again. Just following through :)

Regards, MacMed^talk_stalk 02:12, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

ج in Arabic

The palatalized [gʲ] is a feature of Sudanese Arabic and some dialects of the Arabian peninsula as well as the ancient form of this phoneme. I think there are no difficulties in adding this variant. 62.220.33.64 (talk) 07:34, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. I only noticed just now that you are a regular, and that we even had a conversation above already. I'd really prefer if you could log in with a user name; it would feel more like I'm dealing with a person. Anyway, I'm realizing now that there is a more basic question underlying; I'm going to post it on talk:Arabic alphabet. See you there! — Sebastian 20:30, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Sonorants in Japanese

I don't understand your comment here. How exactly does Japanese provide a counterexample to the assertion in the article (and how do you understand it in the first place)? I know of no (phonemically, at least) voiceless sonorants in Japanese at all, nor does Japanese phonology mention any. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 19:32, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your question. That was my interpretation of this:

Whispered Syllables

The Tokyo dialect of Japanese is characterized by the frequent occurrence of whispered (that is, voiceless - footnote: A voiceless sound is one which is not accompanied by vibration of the vocal chords) syllables. Whenever an i or u vowel (footnote: other vowels are occasionally affected) occurs between any two voiceless consonants (k, s, t, or h), the vowel automatically becomes voiceless, or, in some cases, is lost. This happens whether the two consonants come in the same word or in consecutive words.

— Eleanor Harz Jordan, Beginning Japanese, part 1, p. xxxii

But I'm only an armchair linguist, did I misunderstand this? — Sebastian 20:10, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

The key word is "automatically". The devoicing is not phonemic. There is no contrast between voiced and voiceless vowels in Japanese. I'm sure the unsourced statement in question refers to phonology, not phonetics, as phonetic (allophonic) devoicing even of resonants (next to [h] or after aspirated consonants, for example, or when the speaker runs out of breath, or as a rhetorical effect, or simply when whispering) is common even in English (see Allophone). Therefore, it seems to be correct or at least not contradicted by the example of Japanese, or indeed any other language I can think of. In fact, in The Sound Pattern of English, Chomsky and Halle define sonorants as sounds for which voicing is the default. Perhaps this is the source of the claim, but I don't have the book (I just found out about Chomsky/Halle's definition through Googling), so I cannot confirm this.

Also, I just notice you've used Template:Verify source, which is about a doubtful claim with a given source (which you believe needs checking if the claim really originates from there), not about a doubtful claim without a source in the first place. Therefore, I'll remove your comment ("I" doesn't make sense in the context of the article, anyway - does Wikipedia speak for itself?) and change the template to Template:Citation needed. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 23:59, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Also, even if the voiceless vowels in Japanese had phonemic status, they would contrast with the voiced vowels, so the unsourced statement would still be correct. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 00:13, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

You're right about the template, that was my mistake. But about the contrast, you lost me. Your statement "There is no [phonemic] contrast between voiced and voiceless vowels in Japanese" is exactly what I meant. I also understood the unsourced statement as referring to phonology. But you lost me after "Therefore". I draw the opposite conclusion. So let's start from the unsourced statement. "There is a contrasting voiced sonorant" seems to imply that "There is a [phonemic] contrast". Do you agree with me so far? Now that directly contradicts "There is no contrast", doesn't it? I'm at a loss at how this can be understood the other way round. — Sebastian 16:46, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed myself that the assertion is confusingly phrased while writing the reply. What the assertion tries to say is that if a language has a phoneme /n̥/, there is always a corresponding voiced phoneme /n/ contrasting with it. There are apparently no languages which have something like /n̥/ but no /n/ in their phonological system. As stated under Vowel#Phonation, there are languages which have contrasting pairs of voiced and voiceless vowels, which is in accordance with the assertion, and Japanese has voiced vowels but no unvoiced vowels phonemically, either: the unvoiced vowels occur predictably and are explainable as regular allophones of the voiced vowels in voiceless environments. What would be a counterexample would be a language with a voiceless vowel for which it could be shown that it is always voiceless, or by default, while it is voiced only under specific circumstances which are conducive to voicing phonetically, say, in a voiced environment. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 01:53, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

I see your addition. That mitigates the problem, but the main statement is still grossly misleading. As I pointed out above, "There is a contrasting voiced sonorant" seems to imply that "There is a [phonemic] contrast", which is simply wrong. It speaks for you that you're trying to understand what the original writer might have meant, but you don't need to have so much respect for such an unsourced sentence which nobody cared about in over four years. Moreover, even if we assume this statement is true as you understand it, I don't really see the practical use for that. "It is notable ..." - says who? Why is it notable? If it was just me, I would simply delete that sentence. But since you asked so nicely, and since to took the effort of trying to patch the sentence's misleading inherent problem by adding a parenthetical remark I feel it would be impolite if I now deleted it. Still, it would be nice if you could consider just deleting the sentence. — Sebastian 04:08, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Island Nation

Hi Sebastian, as you are part of WikiProject Sri Lanka Reconciliation we need your help in a discussion here. Thanks--Blackknight12 (talk) 10:33, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Poll on ArbCom resolution - Ireland article names

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South-pointing chariot

Hi Sebastian:

I guess you watch this page!

Sorry for the delay. I wrote you a long reply, but my internet connection went out and it was lost. Also, I'm fighting a cold...

Yes. I missed the bit where you told me that you are not the "IP editor". Too much Christmas revelry, I guess.

Don't worry. This little disagreement isn't going to put me off Wikipedia. I'm a former teacher. Like all teachers, I have learned to respect diversity of opinion, and also to have a very thick skin. Besides, I have a lot more serious reasons to criticize Wikipedia. I sometimes compare it to classical Communism - a noble enterprise, but incompatible with reality. Is it really possible to have a reliable encyclopedia in which many of the articles are written by people who know little about the subject, edited by people who know even less, all based on citations which nobody knows how to evaluate critically? I am sceptical.

Recently, I have seen appeals for money by people who have each written thousands of Wikipedia articles. Are they experts in all the fields?

There are many articles which have clearly been written by people who are really knowledgeable, who have put in few or no citations. There are others which must have been written by monkeys with typewriters, who have sprinkled them with citations of dubious worth. By Wikipedia's standards, the latter articles are the more reliable. I think not.

There's an article about the neighbourhood in which I live. I have edited it extensively to make it agree with the reality that I can see by looking out of my window. Of course, doing that was against the rules. "Original research" is not permitted.

As somebody (maybe Voltaire) said: Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools.

And, of course, there are vandals. Most of the edits I have seen by people who are identified only by IP numbers have turned out to be vandalism. The toilet humour quickly gets reverted by bots, but more subtle vandalism remains unnoticed for long periods, confusing anyone who relies on the articles for information. Sad.

If you haven't already done so, take a look at my User page (the main page as well as the Talk one).

Oh well....

Happy New Year.

David.

DOwenWilliams (talk) 21:20, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Happy New Year to you, too. I now regret my "unwatched" note; I didn't mean to move the conversation here. I sometimes use that to relieve the other editor from any pressure to reply. There might be a better way to word that. If you like, please feel free to move any part or all of this conversation to your talk page. (You may also want to change the heading for that section to "South-pointing chariot".)

I did not perceive a delay; besides, Wikipedia is not compulsory, and there is no rush.

I agree with your criticism; these are all things that chagrined me at one time or another. (Some of these, and many more, are listed at User:SebastianHelm/wishlist.) However I disagree with the conclusion that Wikipedia is incompatible with reality. It is still the most used encyclopedic resource world wide. Your Citation Stories are really interesting and should serve us all as a warning. But these are problems in the real world out there; your stories seem to indicate that such problems may have existed ever since humankind learned to read and write. — Sebastian 18:18, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

t:Plenty of things that are incompatible with reality have been accepted by huge numbers of people. Religious dogma, for example, or Communism, or Capitalism. Such things carry the seeds of their own destruction, but the seeds do not germinate immediately.

I'm sure you are right in saying that Wikipedia is the most widely used encyclopedia worldwide. If it were not widely used, frankly I would have nothing to do with it. I know plenty of intelligent, educated people who refuse to have anything to do with it now. When I tell them that I sometimes edit Wikipedia pages, they look at me like I am mad. They could be right. But, with so many people reading the articles, I feel some obligation to try to make sure they are correct. I guess I'm still a teacher at heart.

Yes. The mindless acceptance of things on the basis that "it is written" must go back to the earliest occurrences of writing, when most people were illiterate and regarded written words as some kind of magic. But the fact that this problem has existed for millennia should not prevent us from trying to avoid it now. Citing other people's writings is a weak way of establishing truth, compared with direct observation and reasoned argument. But how can anything like Wikipedia obtain strong evidence for everything that is written in it? I wish I knew the answer to that one.

Something popped up on my screen this morning, inviting me to try to persuade professors in universities in this area to make use of Wikipedia as a teaching resource. Hmmmm..... I don't think I could honestly do that. And, if I did, I don't think any of them would follow my urgings. Wikipedia is regarded with scepticism in academic circles, justifiably so,

Oh well....

DOwenWilliams (talk) 22:12, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Arbitrary headline

Now, we're getting into ontology. What is reality? And what do you mean by "incompatible"? I would say that the -isms are an important part of reality, and as such they can not be completely incompatible. Granted, some of their central dogmata may logically clash with reality, but they have been useful for millions of people, giving them meaning and purpose in life. The same is true for Wikipedia: It may not be the best tool for finding out the ultimate truth, but it is a very useful tool for millions.

Unfortunately, the attitude you describe from the people you talk with is very common in academia, and it is in my view the main culprit for the disconnect between academia and the man on the street. I understand that it is often frustrating for a learned person if he has to contend with people who just think they understand a subject better and revert his edits with a mouseclick. They should be grateful for those of us who venture in this madhouse, instead of mocking us!

While I see the limitations of citations, I feel they are already a huge step forward; bringing {{cn}} to millions that had never thought of questioning the written word is an achievement Wikipedia can be proud of. When this percolates to real life, the world will be a much better place, albeit not perfect, which it will never be. — Sebastian 01:38, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I suppose we could get into the merits and demerits of solipsism. I could discuss the inferential logic that leads from patterns in squadges to a model in which the squadges are thoughts in the brain of an entity called "myself", who is just one of billions of similar beings inhabiting a universe which is conveniently called "reality". This kind of stuff is great fun, but is only obliquely related to the value, or otherwise, of Wikipedia.

Why did classical Communism - the system that existed in the Soviet Union and much of eastern Europe - fail? I travelled to several east-European countries while they were Communist, and I still quite frequently go to Cuba. Life there was and is nowhere near as unpleasant as Capitalist propagandists would have us believe. "Ostalgie" - nostalgia for the calm security of the old East Germany - is still a significant political influence in Germany. In Russia, the Communist party is the second-largest, getting the support of something like 20 percent of the population. In Cuba, there are some Russians who have gone to live there because they want to continue to live in a Communist state. So many people who have actually experienced Communism have found it more agreeable than Capitalism. And yet, in Europe, it collapsed. Why? As far as I can see, the main reason was that it was too idealistic. It assumed that the common man really wanted to put the interests of society as a whole ahead of his own self-interest. In reality, most people are not like that. Given the opportunity, they do not eagerly strive for the common good; they sit back and sponge whatever they can get from the system, which suffers as a result. That's what I mean by saying that Communism was incompatible with reality.

Wikipedia is also idealistic. It assumes that people who really know stuff will voluntarily share their knowledge, and that people who enjoy messing things up, or who have strange axes to grind, will somehow not cause serious damage. Is this idealism compatible with reality? We both have experiences that suggest otherwise.

This is clearly a topic that I could write about for hours, but I don't have hours to spare right now. I'll come back to it...

DOwenWilliams (talk) 16:17, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I didn't mean to get into discussing solipsism; I've never seen any merit in that, other than occasionally as a thought experiment. (BTW, I have no idea what you meant by "squadges".)

Of course I know Ostalgie; I lived in (West) Germany during that time. Even before the reunification, it was a common pattern between my parents and me to tell each other "If you don't like it here, why don't you go nach drüben (over there)". When the wall came down, it was unbelievable; there was such an overwhelming general sincere sense of relief in everyone I met in the East that can not be expressed in words.

Of course there were many problems with real communism, but idealism was only so indirectly, insofar as it may have facilitated muting criticism. It most blatant problem was its obvious injustice that shamelessly only served the self-declared most equal comrades. This demoralized whole countries. (That demoralization per se is not limited to socialist systems, it often happens in an entirely capitalist companies. The difference is that such companies may go bankrupt by a form of Darwinian selection. Capitalist ideologists like to claim that selection as an advantage of their system; but "too big to fail", and the fact that the people who are responsible for the failure still "earned" more for their "severance" than I can expect to earn in 1000 life times, reveals that they, too, are no more principled than the pig Napoleon and his cronies. Betraying people's aspirations, be they idealistic or egoistic, has always been a hallmark of the powerful, regardless of which ideology they choose to cloak themselves in.) At least in the GDR, where most people had access to western broadcast, they knew all along that their government only lied to them. In fact, they were so acutely aware of that, that, by a fallacious argumentum e contrario, people often were uncritical towards western news or even advertisement. Of course that had to lead to bitter disappointment; even more so when people were systematically ripped off by hordes of profiteers, invading the East like locusts. People who get squeezed out of their homes by someone who suddenly comes from the West, claiming that her grandparents owned that house before the war, naturally will conclude that everything was better before. Likewise, in Russia, the rise of the Communist Party is a natural reaction to the rampant rise of organized crime in an unbridled capitalism.

I agree with you that it is foolish to negate people's self-interest; just as it is foolish to assume that merely by relying on everyone's self-interest one will reach a perfect society.

But I can't follow your conclusion that Wikipedia is doomed because of that. There are plenty of people who come here in their spare time because they enjoy helping others. You are one of them. And I am certain the IP editor you reverted is one of them, too, albeit maybe on a lower level. That's what makes Wikipedia strong.

Yes, we both have some experience with people who only look after their self-interest here, but that doesn't make this place incompatible with reality, anymore than spending one's vacation in Barcelona is incompatible with reality, just because there are some pickpockets there. Just like any vacation spot, participating in Wikipedia is not for everyone. It is for those who enjoy sharing their knowledge, and those are the ones I care about. I'm not too worried about the baddies. Of course, when I catch one, I will put a stop to their game. I know that I will never eradicate wrongdoing here, anymore than all the police in the world will ever eradicate pickpockets. But that doesn't mean we should throw in the towel and allow our friends to ridicule our efforts, does it? — Sebastian 20:03, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Giant pots which come in twos and sit outside restaurants making soup

Hello, my friend. Thank you so much for the good advice on those other things. I'm having trouble posting at Project China, so I thought you may be able to help. Do you know what this is:

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They are all over the country, and I think they are sort of called 缸, but I forget. Many thanks for any help you can offer. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:52, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliment. Unfortunately, I'm not that knowledgeable about China. I don't quite understand why you can't post them at WP:China; that seems the best place for them to me. Or, better yet, why don't you ask the people in the restaurant? I've always found Chinese people happy to help a curious foreigner. — Sebastian 18:23, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah, sorry. I forgot to explain. The Great Firewall of China is blocking my access to the project page. Perhaps there's something there it doesn't like at the moment. I can actually view, create and edit individual threads in edit mode. I'd forgotten that I can actually create threads, even though I just did it a day ago. (I'm a little dense sometimes.) I will repost this there. Many thanks. :) :) :)

To answer your other questions: I am in Hainan where Hainanese is the native language. So, they have trouble with the Mandarin, and I can't understand a lot of what they say anyhow. They have really strong accents, and we are both communicating in a second language. Plus, they don't really know. Even my Chinese friends don't know. But, these things are everywhere, so notable and sourceable. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:20, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't know it worked on such a granular level. Interesting that they would put the effort to implement that; that they don't simply block the whole page means that they must value the rest of the discussions going on at WP:China. Yes, there are a couple of headlines mentioning another island similar in size to Hainan, which may or may not be a province or an independent country. Too bad that you can't participate; having outed yourself as a stickler for consistency, your input would be useful, since the biggest of these is about standardization of names.

As for the names, I presume they wouldn't be able to write the names on paper, either? I realize Hainanese is a very peculiar language, even "mutually unintelligible with other Min Nan dialects"{{cn}}. That must be quite a challenge for someone who lives there and is very interested in the culture. — Sebastian 00:58, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

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Mind and Life Institute

Thanks, I'll complete with bibliography section recently added. Can you also restore Talk:Mind and Life Institute? Thanks in advance, --Rédacteur Tibet (talk) 17:08, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

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I'm afraid it's WP:BOOMERANG time

I don't recall us having any dealings before today, so I took the liberty of perusing your admin logs to get a feel for who I was dealing with. I would like to know what, exactly you believe rationalizes your use of revision deletion at Vlachs. It is specifically not to be used to hide your own edits, and there is nothing about the edits you deleted that seems to meet any of the other criteria for revision deletion. This is exactly the sort of thing people were worried about when admins were given this ability, so unless you have a very compelling reason for these deletions I would suggest you restore them. From what I can tell this is the first time you have ever used RevDel. I would strongly suggest that you not use it again until you have taken the time to review and understand WP:CRD. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:00, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Looks like you are taking a break or something at the moment, so I have asked for uninvolved admins to look into this as it seems way over the top to use revdel as you have, going so far as to remove your own username from the page history. Anyway, there is now a thread open at WP:AN under the heading "review of some revdels requested." Beeblebrox (talk) 19:15, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Sebastian. Per the consensus at the AN thread, I have restored the deleted revisions. RD6 is a bit strict as to what can be revdeled, and ordinary editing mistakes don't qualify. Please let me know if you have any questions. 28bytes (talk) 19:55, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Just FYI as that discussion is now archived, you can see it here. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:24, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview

Dear SebastianHelm,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:

• Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
• Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
• All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
• All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
• The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 07:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Young June Sah --Yjune.sah (talk) 20:28, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions for deletion

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Regarding Article Kuchipuidi

Hi SebastianHelm,

   Greetings... Nice to see that one of the Wikipedia Administrators is working on my favorite area kuchipudi. Regarding your "This article deserves to be improved" section in Kuchipudi Talk page, SNA means Sangeet Natak Academy. Here is the list of SNA awardees, http://sangeetnatak.org/sna/awardeeslist.htm. This award is considered as highest award in India in the area of most forms of arts (Including dance, music and drama).

  Why I have started a new topic in your user page is that I didn't know how to contact you and I want to say that I would like to update this page as much as I can. I know some people in this art because of whom I really love this art. But I do not know many options of wiki like how to create, delete, move pages, adding references in a proper way etc. If you can help me regarding this, I would surely put my efforts in improving this as well as other wiki pages.

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lego gun article has been fixed request to label the article as deorfaned Lego gun which is is meant in a aceptable manner of course if u cant then send it to someone who can thanks u — Preceding unsigned comment added by Postmahomeson (talk • contribs) 20:50, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hello. I was wondering why you blocked this IPv6 address, as the only edit I can see from it appears to be constructive, unless I'm missing something here.--Jasper Deng (talk) 04:00, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. That is weird! When I did that block, I went by the IPv4 address; I don't know what went wrong there. I will unblock this address right away. — Sebastian 04:07, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

The IPv4 address I meant to block was 71.187.52.66 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). I had checked that address's contributions for the last year, so I would normally have gone through the block link on the contributions page. But maybe I clicked at the wrong link on this diff. Anyway, thanks again for bringing this to my attention! — Sebastian 04:17, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

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I help wiki boom get banned what the heck man gus laf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Realg21 (talk • contribs) 03:16, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

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for getting back to me about the WikiProject Sri Lanka Reconciliation. Sri Lanka and what happened there has always been a difficult thing for me. I lived in Sri Lanka - then Ceylon. from 1952 until 1965 and found the Civli war to be a very distressing topic. but on that I would on occasion want to engage in. Anyway, thai you for the update. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 19:40, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

User from Bucal

Dear sebastian

Sorry ! for my apologize and disturbing to talk with you. According to my knowledge i search the users sockpuppeteers and block list i saw the list of sockpuppeteers and block list i,m really shock. Compared to my accounts actually they are strict rules here in wikipedia. Thanks for reading and worrying about me. Thank you112.207.10.37 (talk) 08:01, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello, user from Bucal, no, you're not disturbing me. I was sad when I read the message about your block; would you like to tell me what happened? Would you like to email me? — Sebastian 08:17, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

My Reason and Explanation

when I entered the world of wikipedia 2013 I do not even know the rules so many inimical to my account and making deliberately misleading article I deleted it but I left my message on my talk page before I deleted used mfd a day after the block me mike v but is not included in the sock puppeteer list and I do not intend to do that. and I also have an account on wikipedia Tagalog block me there for made because there can not pared and English translated but others are correct. I just deleted my obstacle in Tagalog when I became convinced that remove the blocking me in English. Thank you so much.112.207.10.37 (talk) 15:09, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello, user from Bucal! I gather from your message that you believe that you have been wrongly accused of being a sockpuppet. I understand that wrong accusations can be very painful. Because I felt sorry for you, I spent some time trying to find out what happened, and I found that most of your edits were edits like this, where you changed the "CheckedSockpuppet" template with a different template, without any explanation. That looks very bad! I can't see any well-intended reason for these changes. Maybe you were trying to communicate an explanation to me, but I don't understand most of what you are writing. I am therefore sorry that I can not help you. If you want to discuss the sockpuppet accusations, please do so in the Tagalog Wikipedia with someone who understands your language. — Sebastian 16:51, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

February 2015

That is why it 's really wrong and pain in my achievements exaggeration and breaking but I just hope no hardened necessarily don,t be dissapointed even though I was really ugly but trying to me discuss what is right as I realize that the better your help and contribute correctly you do not really own article incorrectly and not even know the rules that still does so sorry but I really. You just take care and not for me to decide decision to be with you it,s ok no problem thanks.112.207.11.141 (talk) 01:32, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

(Sorry if I do not know how to speak english more on Tagalog)

You've gained many awards and rewards of barnstar for your courage and ability to liaise with the new editor and fight against organized there im what I salute you.112.207.11.141 (talk) 01:47, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your well-meaning and kind words. I wish you health and peace. — Sebastian 03:24, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Als Geschenk

Hast Du diesem Video gesehen? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdPMSd7xA7U μηδείς (talk) 22:07, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Danke, das ist mir wirklich neu! I'm impressed by John Cleese's German; was that really his voice or did they find a voice actor with a similar voice? I don't like the mean-spirited ending, though; it doesn't add anything beyond the "soup à la clown", and if you already understood the menu it's totally gratuitous. — Sebastian 15:49, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, several of the cast of Monty Python spoke more than two languages, and Cleese spoke it well enough that they made (if I remember correctly) two full pilot episodes to try to sell the show to West German TV. These were never broadcast in England. As with Seinfeld, the humor didn't translate well, and the projects were cancelled. Seinfeld is often very subtle, in that they do and say things that might seem plausible but which are very funny to natives. Python is very obvious, but it is often focused on making people look like fools, and might be taken as insulting. I wonder if you have ever seen the show Fawlty Towers by Cleese, and the episode called "The Germans"? It's widely considered one of the funniest TV episodes ever, but deals with Cleese mistreating some German tourists, partially out of his own awkwardness, and partly due to his having been hit on the head. You can see it here at http://www.tubeplus.me/player/924450/Fawlty_Towers/season_1/episode_6/The_Germans/ which may give you pop-ups if you don't have the ad-block attachment for your browser. μηδείς (talk) 19:13, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I hope the video of the killer joke I mentioned didn't kill you

If you are well, I am waiting to hear the joke you offered on my talk page. μηδείς (talk) 18:56, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

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What drew me to them, way back when, ...

... was a 78 rpm of my grandmother's [2]. The B-side was this. Two beautiful works by two incredible composers interpreted by one most remarkable ensemble. ---Sluzzelin talk 23:58, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Wahnsinn, was die mit ihren Stimmen machen konnten! Ich verstehe nur nicht, warum sie nicht im Ausland geblieben sind; das wird mir weder aus dem englischen noch aus dem deutschen Artikel klar. Ach, übrigens, bilde ich mir das nur ein, oder hat jemand ihnen auf dem Bild für Night&Day Ringe unter die Augen gemalt? — Sebastian 01:36, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Ach, nein, die Ringe sind auch auf File:Ch1930.jpg. Ich nehme an, es war Schminke, um die Augen heller erscheinen zu lassen. Aber leider lässt mich Wikipedia da im Stich: Der deutsche Artikel sagt im Abschnitt Theater nichts darüber, einen Englischen Schwesterartikel hat er nicht, und make-up ist nur eine Weiterleitung zu cosmetics, wo darüber natürlich nichts zu finden ist. — Sebastian 06:37, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, Erich Abraham Collin is wearing a monocle :-) The article on theatrical makeup does have a little bit on eyes. Original research, but the musicians possibly hadn't been made-up for black and white photography in that picture, but for a stage performance, live and in color. Depending on one's complexion and the actual hues of eye liner and eye shadow, the effect can appear very different on b&w photos. I don't know the circumstances regarding their first return to Europe. In the film, I think, there were discussions among them, and I think that's when discord started too, but I don't remember it that well. The English article mentions "fearing internment". ---Sluzzelin talk 16:40, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for finding the article theatrical makeup; that, along with your explanation, answers my question. I did read the "fearing internment" part; but that leaves more questions than it answers, and it's unsourced, so I guess I'll ask on the talk page. Anyway, I need to see the film! — Sebastian 00:38, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

I think it's worth seeing, though ... well, if you're as annoyingly kitsch-anfällig as I am your eye makeup will be messed up by the end of the movie. It has a good cast, not just the Harmonists, but also Rolf Hoppe (!) Zudem eine au­ßer­ge­wöhn­liche Besetzung: Aus dem Stegreif komm' ich auf keinen anderen Film, in dem ein Geschwisternpaar ein Liebespaar spielt (Meret und Ben Becker). Might be a question for the Entertainment desk! ---Sluzzelin talk 17:55, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

In Kinos brauche ich mein Taschentuch nicht mitzubringen, aber Musik kann mich oft zu Tränen rühren, und das kann mir sowohl mit Kitsch als auch mit „kulturell bedeutenden Werken und Leistungen“* pasieren.

Why is there a (!) after Rolf Hoppe? Reading about him reminds me of my father, who also was a baker's apprentice during the war, which reminds me to ask a question at the RD which I've been wanting to ask for years ... See you there! — Sebastian 21:28, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Re:Hoppe. He's a bit of a Geheimtipp of mine, already before I had seen Mephisto. He was the one redeeming actor in a really mediocre film I don't wish to name here, and that was the first time I noticed him. He is quite amazing! (without parentheses). As 16-year olds, my best friend and I had the opportunity to interview the director of said mediocre film, and the only questions I asked were about Hoppe. ---Sluzzelin talk 21:47, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh, funny, did the director react annoyed? — Sebastian 22:13, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

He was hung over. Nuff said. ---Sluzzelin talk 22:17, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

OK, ich sag's nicht weiter. :-) — Sebastian 22:59, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Татковина

Hello, I saw your post on our Village Pump, but I don`t understand for which song you talk about. Can you tell me at least a name of the poet and I can help you. Du kannst auch auf Deutsch mit mir sprechen :) --Ehrlich91 (talk) 19:28, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Hallo Ehrlich91, danke für deine Antwort! In meinem Notenblatt (Shawnee Press, Nashville, Nummer A2334) ist kein Textdichter angegeben, da steht nur "Macedonian Folk Song". Hast Du meine Notiz auf Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Republic of Macedonia#Татковина gesehen? Dort habe ich den ganzen Text, so wie ich ihn interpretiere, abgetippt. Hilft das nicht, das Lied zu identifizieren? Aber mir geht es in der Hauptsache gar nicht um die Identifizierung, sondern nur darum, die Schreibweise und Aussprache richtig hinzubekommen. — Sebastian 20:52, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Ok, gut. So hier ist das Lied. Ich habe einige Fehlern und Buchstaben gewechselt und das war alles. Viele Grüße --Ehrlich91 (talk) 07:06, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

ми подари пролетта сонце
јас насмевка нежна ѝ пратив
а сега во срцево мое
љубовта нежна се класи

татковино поле сирно
мир во света гора
татковино поле росно
љубовта е моја

Vielen Dank! Wird das alles wirklich so gesprochen, wie es geschrieben wird? Also zum Beispiel "мое", nicht "моје"? Das wundert mich, da die andere Form (Genitiv?) "моја" heißt. — Sebastian 15:38, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Ja, alles ist in Ordnung und alle Wörtern in das Lied sind richtige und still gesprochen, obwohl ich finde, dass dieses Lied 50-60 Jahren alt ist. In Mazedonisch haben wir nur maskulin, feminin und neutrum Genus, so das "мое" ist um neutrum ("моје" ist im Serbisch) und andere Forme "моја" und „мој“ sind mit "j" bevor das Vokal. --Ehrlich91 (talk) 18:02, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Cheers

Hi Sebastian, just a quick hello from France. Hope you are doing well. — Racconish^📥 11:45, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Salut! Comment ça va? — Sebastian 15:39, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Très bien ! Le SCIP n'est plus actif, mais ce fut une bonne expérience. Et toi ? Cordialement, — Racconish^📥 21:13, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Je ne suis très actif, non plus, parçe-que mon boulot payé demande beaucoup de mon temps ces-jours-ci. C'est dommage que SCIP n'est plus actif; c'etait une bonne idée! Est-ce que tu as un resummé de tes experiences? (Quant à moi, j'ai écrit celui-ci. C' est bien peu pour transmettre l'expérience, mais on peut toujours me demander pour plus d'informations.) — Sebastian 19:03, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

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Holding pen

Please dump them in Wikipedia:Donated artwork/List of articles needing images/Holding pen if you can. Many thanks. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:50, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

That's some fine pruning. :)

Please know that I am not a fan of anything Kardashian. I added that item only because of the roughly 50k hits and its possible appeal to artists. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:10, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, I notice that you're not saying that about adding Kim Jong-un, Joaquín Guzmán, and Robert William Fisher. Does it mean you're a fan of them? — Sebastian 18:21, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Ha ha ha. No. :) I added those three because they're interesting. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:36, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Regarding your concern: Yes, it is quite likely that there will be some people who disapprove of the initiative. In that case, there are two possibilities:

1. We see value in their concern that is significant enough to endanger the initiative. Then that still would be useful information. If we find a workaround, great! If we don't, and the problem prevents the initiative from flying, then we'll stop it and move on. Of course it will hurt in the moment, but it's better in the long run. In either case, it's better we are aware of it sooner rather than later.
2. We disagree on the value of their concern. Then I don't think they can stop this initiative. There is nothing illegal about sending private e-mail. In the worst case you'll just have to include the welcome page in the mail. — Sebastian 19:06, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

If people raise objections, I say deal with that then. I've been email for images for years and nothing bad has happened. I don't harrass them and they are usually happy about things. Let them MfD the project if they like. We're helping the project in good faith and not breaking any laws. By the way, the welcome page is linked in the outgoing email. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:58, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Exactly! — Sebastian 06:05, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Chinese Numerals and underlines.

Please take a look at Chinese numerals#Standard numbers to let me know if the table looks better. I restricted the spans to each individual wikt link just to keep things clean.Naraht (talk) 16:10, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Excellent, Naraht, that looks great! I am feeling tempted to turn your code into a template, which by itself would be relatively easy to do. However, that sort of thing easily can grow and take far more time, especially when others may have different ideas how it should work. I am right now in the claws of one such experience, which started yesterday and which has already taken many hours, so that I have to cut my other Wikipedia engagements now. — Sebastian 19:59, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

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		All-Around Amazing Barnstar
		Thank you so, so much for your wonderful guidance, great ideas, and help in putting things together at the donated images initiative. You are wonderful! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:57, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Anna, a barnstar from you means a lot to me, because you're all-around-amazing yourself. It's been great fun working on the project together. — Sebastian 17:54, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Rauniyars of Nepal

Rauniyars of Nepal is only of Nepal not of India and it covers Nepal. Why you speedy deleted the article . Please remove that — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adriot.ar (talk • contribs) 09:20, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

You are mistaken. I did not delete the article. Please see the message I left on your talk page. — Sebastian 09:23, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

History of railroads in Bolivia

can you undelete as it was talking about the history of railroads in Bolivia and was not the same as – Rail transport in Bolivia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rigsofrods (talk • contribs) 10:48, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm tempted to give the common cheap answer to such questions: "Yes, I can, but I won't". But I understand that you mean this as a request, not a question. Still, I see no reason to comply with your request. You write that it's not the same topic, but it clearly is a subset of the topic. History is already covered throughout the Rail transport in Bolivia article.

Moreover, you already have a huge task at hand with Draft:Customs of ancient Egypt, another article that you created apparently with machine translation. I saved that one because it has more potential of becoming a worthwhile article. But so far you have done only two minor edits on that article. I have not seen you take a serious interest in the topic. I need to see you actually bringing at least one article to "Start" quality before I can trust that you won't just leave a trail of bad quality stubs behind you. — Sebastian 17:04, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

I guess i will try to fix the Customs of Ancient Egypt and maybe once i am done i might put the history stuff form the Rail transport in Bolivia article to the History of railroads in Bolivia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rigsofrods (talk • contribs) 22:05, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

That's the spirit! I see you already started doing this in earnest now. Again, I would encourage you to turn to WikiProject Ancient Egypt. They can help you there, and they can decide whether the article is ready to be published - or whether it is a needed at all. Likewise, I will refer to the judgment of WikiProject Trains whether a separate "History of railroads in Bolivia" article is needed. — Sebastian 01:22, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

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Hi SebastianHelm, I saw that you made changes to the Vishuddhananda Paramahansa article. Could you please made similar changes to the Thakur Anukulchandra, Ram Thakur and Bamakhepa article as not much source has been provided. Since you are an experienced user I appeal to you to make necessary changes. Thanks--kkm010 ^{talk to me} 08:55, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I don't know anything about him. I just saved the article from speedy deletion, since I thought it might have some merit. I alerted Wikipedia:WikiProject Yoga, but nobody there replied. You might want to check the contributions of their participants and find someone there who knows more about these topics. You could also join that wikiproject; I found wikiprijects the best way to collaborate on such topics. — Sebastian 09:14, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Ok thanks.--kkm010 ^{talk to me} 12:02, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Re: MICR.svg

Ciao! Mi ero limitato a riprodurre File:MICR.png, se ritieni procedi pure ma non sarebbe meglio creare una nuova immagine?—GJo (talk) 18:02, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

No, non penso così, perché i luoghi in che è usato attualmente tutti beneficerebbero della versione più semplice. Mantenendo il nome, si sarebbe semplicemente essere sostituiti automaticamente in 8 lingue. — Sebastian 18:19, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

OK, procedi pure.—GJo (talk) 18:58, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Sebastian Wishing you a joyous Christmas and a prosperous new year! BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:38, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

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Concert of Sacred Music, Dec 26, 1965

hallo sebastian ich las den artikel ueber duke ellingtons concert of sacred music. mit der tracking list bin ich nicht einverstanden. ich habe die aufnahme vom 26. dec 1965 (50 Jahre!), da steht bei mir was anderes drauf:

Track listing

   "In the Beginning God" - 15:54
   „Tell Me It’s The Truth“ - 2:50
   „Come Sunday (1)“ - 3:53
   "The Lord's Prayer" - 2:42
   „Come Sunday (2)“ - 6:05
   "Will You Be There? … Ain't But the One“ - 4:43
   "New World A-Coming" - 8:27
   "David Danced Before The Lord With All His Might" - 6:32

The album was recorded at the Fifth Avenue Presbyterian Church on December 26, 1965. gruss Lukas Müller
LupiLupi (talk) 10:00, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Antworten auf Talk:Duke Ellington's Sacred Concerts und de:Benutzer Diskussion:Lupi. — Sebastian 17:57, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

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Barnstar

I wanted to thank you for the barnstar you gave me. That's very kind of you. Mattflaschen-WMF (talk) 00:19, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Don't mention it! Your barnstar, btw, inspired me to change WP:* so that others, too, can insert links. And Frietjes carried the idea on. I just love how good deeds can have repercussions at Wikipedia! — Sebastian 07:03, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Help: Should the State of Palestine be considered a sovereign state on par with Israel?

Hi, SebastianHelm. I noticed that you are regular contributor to articles relating to the conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians so I thought it might be best to ask you about my concerns about a particular Rfc. A user (Spirit Ethanol) has requested that Palestine be displayed as a sovereign state in its own right over at List of state leaders in 2016, and he has, in my opinion, falsely worded his Rfc question: "Inclusion of Palestine as a sub state of Israel"—which, in my estimation, is a blatantly biased question, as hardly anyone would ever infer that Palestine (i.e. the Palestinian National Authority renamed) is purely some sort of "substate" of Israel, more accurately rather a "quasi-sovereign state partially under Israeli occupation". Furthermore, the user also refused to gauge local consensus before launching the Rfc, contrary to Section 1 of WP:RFC; and refuses to correct the misleading title of the Rfc, so editors landing on the survey still seem to believe that the status quo is in fact not the status quo and vice versa, hence all the confusion and commotion. He has also confused the State of Palestine (state) with the Palestinian National Authority (government), erroneously treating the two as the same thing. Personally, I honestly believe that the user is simply trying to score pro-Palestinian political points (as per WP:POINT) and is simply in denial of the reality on the ground over at that disputed area or perhaps unaware. Due to the sensitive nature of the dispute, the survey has become heated somewhat with editors misled in believing that the PNA (and not Palestine) is somehow displayed as a subnation within Israel. This is 100% untrue. Per WP:WEIGHT and WP:NPOV, Palestine is not considered a non-putative and effective sovereign state on par with Israel and nations such as the USA and UK, et al. All that said, I believe that WP:IJUSTDONTLIKEIT seems to be his argument at the moment—as he has not personally laid out his reasoning sufficiently as to why Palestine should be displayed as a fully independent & sovereign nation—hence erroneously inferring that a two-state solution has indeed occurred. Thanks.--Neve–selbert 06:15, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello Neve-selbert, I am surprised about your message because I haven't been active in the I-P arena in many years. I first thought that you were canvassing, but I'm even more surprised that you only turned to me. To be honest, I don't even know what the "status quo" is, that you refer to in your reply of 12:03, 11 February 2016 (at Talk:List of state leaders in 2016); it seems as of now it is just what Spirit Ethanol suggests. So, if I may ask, what's the reason why you wrote to me of all people? Please feel free to answer me by mail.

A better place for this discussion may be WP:IPCOLL, a project specifically founded to tackle such conflicts. I've been out of touch so long that don't know how the climate there is now. The way we solved such problems at WP:SLR, the model for IPCOLL, was to first build agreement on which sources to consider reliable, and then list what these sources say. I understand that a special challenge of a list that can be only formatted one way or another that there's no easy way to apply our usual way of dealing with such situations by simply writing both viewpoints side by side. But that can be overcome with statistics and comparison with other countries: I suggest making a table with three columns: (1) name of state or sub-entity, (2) number of states and international organizations that recognize it (I would also include references directly in this column) and (3) how it appears in the list article. Sorting by column 2, it will be easy enough to see Palestine in context and treat it like the entities that are near to it in that sort order. — Sebastian 07:06, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

This is classic WP:FORUMSHOP-ing. User already contacted other admins and people: User_talk:Newyorkbrad#Please_review_another_dispute, User_talk:Number_57#Please_consider_the_closure_of_this_Rfc, User_talk:Robert_McClenon#Assistance_with_an_Rfc, and User_talk:Alison#List_of_state_leaders_in_2016_Rfc (via a request to another editor). SebastianHelm, suggestions have already been made in RfC to change layout to a table that includes more information (e.g. mirror this page). Have a nice day. Spirit Ethanol (talk) 07:43, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

No, Spirit Ethanol, this is not "classic WP:FORUMSHOP", since (A) (per the current definition there) this page is not a forum and (B) (per what matters to me), he was not trying, as a child asking the other parent, to hide the fact from me that he already asked at the first forum. Please, and this goes for both of you (Neve-selbert: Remarks such as "100% untrue" are not constructive!), stop trying to label each other and make each other look bad in the eyes of third people, but spend the time and energy rather trying to solve a solution that is reasonably fair to everyone. — Sebastian 08:57, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry if what I wrote comes across as patronizing. My intention was only to make both of you aware how you appear to a third person, to show you a view in the mirror. I completely can empathize that the I-P conflict is a situation that is taxing every caring person's patience. I feel about this just as I felt about the conflict in Sri Lanka – see WP:SLR#Sebastian's dream. — Sebastian 09:02, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Lithuanian vocative

Hello. Read this, please https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Lithuania#Lithuanian_vocative --Ed1974LT (talk) 10:03, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

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Foto Karl Helm

Moin,

da ich nicht so firm bin in den URV's gehe ich davon aus, dass du das Bild nur für en. zulässt, oder täusche ich mich und die Datei ist auch in de. integrierbar? Noch etwas: vor einigen Jahren habe ich offensichtlich ein Werk aus der Handbibliothek von KH erworben, zumindest sind die handschriftlichen Vermerke und Unterstreichungen oft identisch mit dem Fussnotenaparat der "Altgermanische Rel.G." II,I. Auf dem Vorsatz befindet sich ein Autograph das ich als "Karl Helm" entziffere. Gruß Alexander Leischner (talk) 05:38, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Hallo Alexander, vielen Dank für Deine Anfrage. Meine "rationale" unter "other information" trifft auch auf die deutsche Wikipedia zu; das Bild kann also gerne auch dort integriert werden. Es freut mich, dass das Buch aus der Bibliothek meines Urgroßvaters in guten Händen ist; welches Werk ist es denn? Ich selber habe nichts Handschriftliches von ihm, nur verschiedene Ausgaben des Abrisses der mitelhochdeutschen Grammatik, eine von 1951, die andere von 1973, bearbeitet von Ernst Albrecht Ebbinghaus. --— Sebastian 05:35, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Moin Sebastian, danke für die "Freigabe". Es handelt sich um:

• Franz Rolf Schröder: Germanentum und Hellenismus. Winter, Heidelberg 1924.

Es finden sich zahlreiche Anmerkungen mit Bleistift in Süterlinschrift, die wie beschrieben, mit der Referenzierung im Druck des Teils der Religionsgechichte zu den Ostgermanen, sprich den Goten passig sind. Ich werde mal einfach eine Datei mit dem, wie ich vermute, Autograph deines Urgroßvaters hochladen. Gruß --Alexander Leischner (talk) 06:13, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Oh, vielen Dank, das ist sehr nett! Vielleicht können wir uns auch bald treffen; ich komme im Sommer vsl. nach Deutschland. — Sebastian 06:35, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Moin Sebastian, ich habe zwei mögliche Schriftproben deines Großvaters aus angegebener Quelle in de. hochgeladen und auf meiner Diskussionsseite verlinkt. Gruß --Alexander Leischner (talk) 07:26, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Dry wash listed at Redirects for discussion

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Template of the table

Hallo, Sebastian,

I would like to ask you for help. In Russian Wikipedia, an article has two tables in light khaki at the end of the page. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA There are quotes of two linguists ( A. Meillet (Russ. Антуан Мейе) and J. Otrębski (Russ. Ян Отрембский). I would like to adapt templates of those tables for English Wikipedia, but I didn't know how. Could you help me, please? --Ed1974LT (talk) 07:02, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Interesting quotes - I didn't know that about Lithuanian. No need to adapt the templates: The counterpart for these two templates in the English Wikipedia are {{Quote}} and {{Quote box}}. — Sebastian 00:42, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you any way, Sebastian :) In fact, I wanted to use this Russian template for Lithuanian Wiki. Almost everything of English wiki fits to Lithuanian's articles, that's why I asked you for this. I have wrote an article Baltic Proto-Language already. Do you know anybody who would like and could translate it from Lithuanian for English Wikipedia? This article is faithful enough, here are lots of references. It's possible to write me in Lithuanian W. here--Ed1974LT (talk) 17:14, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	I just want to say that I appreciate the work you did on Ola Gjeilo. NorthernFalcon (talk) 09:58, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! Most of the thank is due to Ola himself, though, since he was very cooperative. — Sebastian 00:51, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Formal sector

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Talk:Balto-Slavic languages

Hello, Sebastian, I would like to ask you for third opinion on this page. Discussion is below a chapter "Raising of stressed *o to *u in a final syllable". If you wouldn't do it personally could you ask about it other users, please?--Ed1974LT (talk) 18:17, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Kircher

I don't have any profound knowledge of Athanasius Kircher. I've just seen various of his diagrams and maps for many years, and know that he was attempting a kind of grand synthesis of traditional systems and schemas at a time when many of them would soon be pushed aside by the rise of modern science. (A little similar to Casaubon in Middlemarch, maybe.) AnonMoos (talk) 14:45, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Assyrian cuneiform

I was planning to first, do post-upload cross-checking and minor error-corrections, then sort them by according to Unicode order, then decide which is the basic or most typical sign (in cases where multiple Assyrian Cuneiform glyphs correspond to a single Unicode code point). However, I only ever got 30% of the way through post-upload cross-checking and minor error-corrections. I could give you a table of the SVGs in Unicode order, but it would be missing some of the cross-checking, and there would be multiple SVGs for some Unicode code points... AnonMoos (talk) 14:45, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in replying, but the Assyrian Cuneiform project has kind of been on the back-burner for several months, and I had to set aside some time to bring myself back up to speed.

As for File:Assyrian cuneiform U1212C MesZL 3 or U12400 MesZL 2.svg, there's not a one-to-one correspondence between Old Babylonian and Neo-Assyrian cuneiform signs. Generally, Old Babylonian makes more distinctions (which is why it was chosen as the basis of the Unicode standard), but sometimes a single Old Babylonian sign will correspond to multiple Assyrian signs. See the chart beginning on page 11 of the PDF file included in http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/AkkadianAssyrian.zip for a visual guide to this.

I hadn't really decided whether or not to rename files, but the error-checking I've done so far revealed has shown that File:Assyrian cuneiform MesZL 27.svg is closer to U1234B than to any other Unicode character, while the Unicode way of writing File:Assyrian cuneiform MesZL 133.svg is U12137 followed by U122BB (even though Studt and Borger disapprove of that).

As for ordering, you're probably right -- I guess I confused Cuneiform (Unicode block) with List of cuneiform signs. I'm not sure whether I would add them to Cuneiform (Unicode block) (which would require Unicode ordering)... AnonMoos (talk) 05:01, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

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nagualdesign incident

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Just to be sure there's no misunderstanding, several editors are now awaiting your response at [3]; I recommend you review the entire surrounding thread before responding. EEng 23:21, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

If, as you titled the section, you are asking this per ADMINACCT, then I believe I have met my obligation by compiling and explaining the synopsis. ADMINACCT doesn't mean that an admin has to keep answering an unrelenting interrogation by an involved user.

But let's assume you asked because you are earnestly trying to understand the situation. In that case, thank you for asking. For quick answers, I can write the following:

• Q2: The term "authority" is not mine, but it comes from Graham's hierarchy of disagreement, see http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html, section "DH1. Ad Hominem."
• Q1 follows from the above if one compares your message with Graham's definition and example, and his explanation: "This [doesn't] refute the author's argument, but it may at least be relevant to the case.".
• Q3: I basically answered this question a minute before it was asked. If you would like a more explicit answer, please let me know. In that case, it would help me to have an answer to my question from that same message: How did the revert of an unhelpful, off-topic remark improve WP?

A more promising path for understanding each other is if we could have a mutually respectful conversation, since I believe both of us made mistakes – I know I made mistakes, since the block was lifted by an admin who honestly tried to see both sides. (That's why I took a WP:WIKIBREAK – the same medicine that I was trying to force on you and decided not use blocks for some time.) I hope we can have a conversation in which each of us feels free to talk without it being misunderstood as a defense or accusation. I would like to start with our motivation.

I know, I failed to express this well, for reasons we can discuss at our leisure. I can imagine that when you originally posted your reply to user:Kasra tcme, your main motivation might have been just having some (harmless, as you felt) fun. But would you like to tell me what your motivation was later? — Sebastian 16:08, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

In all seriousness, are you under the influence of medication that impairs your memory and reasoning? It's apparent from the above that you're confusing me with Nagualdesign. And, even allowing for that, some of what you're saying makes no sense, such as using The term "authority" is not mine, but it comes from Graham's hierarchy of disagreement to explain something you apparently can't explain yourself i.e. what in the world is meant by the "authority" of the IP? I suggest you start over at User_talk:Nagualdesign and answer my questions in a simple and straightforward way. EEng 17:19, 22 January 2018 (UTC) EEng 17:19, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Sebastian, that you remained polite and kept your calm are what will matter for those who will be reading this in few years from now. When all members who got involved, including you, will have burned away reputations and all the supports that comes with it. All the rest are point of views (like always) even this (and its tone). [4] Yaḥyā ‎ (talk) 21:37, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Sebastian, I've read through all of this twice and it still doesn't parse, as you wrote "let's assume you asked ... thank you for asking", "both of us", "people in circumstances that are much less fortunate than ours" and other things where I'm confused as to who you're addressing, and I'm pretty sure that you know nothing about my personal circumstances. I appreciate you taking the time to write a statement but this has the kind of tone that you often hear read from a podium at a press announcement by somebody's legal representative. It would be much more sensible for you to simply return to the conversation at my talk page. Cheers.

Yaḥyā, I agree with your sentiment about remaining polite and keeping calm. Regarding my clearly marking the section of my talk page as "Certified a load of old bollocks", that's my way of clearly communicating my sentiments to anybody reading it. It's also partly in jest. Perhaps you need an understanding of British culture to understand that, or at the very least a sense of humour.

For anyone wondering which part of the woodwork Yaḥyā crawled out of and why, see [1], [2] and [3]. nagualdesign 22:49, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

I sympathized with him after reading his some things about me in his userpage (environmentalism, public transit, nonviolent peaceforce, etc. :)) and his wikipersonality (simplicity). And no, you know deep down, that’s (the links you provide) not why I left the comment above. I do not hold grudges, and you know that I’m sure (from the tone of my replies under any circumstances). It’s my point of view that what constitute NPA is not solely decided by words alone, the context is at least as much important; it’s a judgment call, really. You do have the tendency to be a pain @#$% at times, at least with me. :b I also think that admin abuse claims are often blown out of proportion, they’re just human. In the end of the day, he’s still here and you’re too… nothing really changed. See above he admitted mistakes, the rest is irrelevant, really. Yaḥyā ‎ (talk) 23:56, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

As seen at the second of Nd's three links above, you "retired" just ahead of a block, likely an indefinite one, for babbling unintelligibly at length on things you don't understand; yet in less than a day you were back at it. Pinging The Bushranger, who closed the ANI thread, as I think it may be time to reopen it based on your contribution history of the last month. EEng 01:24, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

You mean this? [5], if my words are intelligible, then I'll refrain ever speaking, I will just quote. See with what that sentence was sourced with for yourself. [6] Since I can't speak, do you want me to quote the relevant section (Smolin clarification)? See here [7]... If Bushranger has no problem, I will refrain ever giving any opinions... I'll just quote. Yaḥyā ‎ (talk) 01:51, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Christ, it's hopeless. EEng 02:14, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

You've got to be more specific; it's to the procurator (Nagual) to tell if he accepts the offer. Yaḥyā ‎ (talk) 02:40, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

What offer? You're making about as much sense as Stanley Unwin. nagualdesign 03:03, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Nagualdesign the procurer. EEng 02:52, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

nagualdesign 03:03, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

The worst part is that SH confused you with me. I don't know which of us is thereby more insulted. EEng 22:59, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

I know, right? I've never been so insulted in my life! nagualdesign 23:21, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

(@Yaḥyā: EEng and I are having a little joke here, making light of the situation.)

Good idea to make light of the situation. Yes, I made a mistake. Big deal; I think my answers can be just as well understood as if I had given them to ND himself. I will correct my mistake of starting this section on the wrong foot and get back to my original plan of having a mutually respectful conversation with ND about what matters most to us. To avoid another bout of unproductive drama, it will be in a quiet tea room. — Sebastian 12:33, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Tea room for nagualdesign and Sebastian

This section is a place for nagualdesign and Sebastian to calmly talk about what matters most to us and what motivates us. Other editors may chime in, but their messages may be removed by either nagualdesign or Sebastian if either judges them disruptive.

Hello nagualdesign, I would like a friendly conversation with you about what matters to us. There is still much you have done that I value; among others your long patience with Yahya in the links you posted. This shows a true commitment to the values of Wikipedia, which we share. I would like to understand why, despite our commonalities, we clashed. Would you like to write more about what motivates you or would you rather I started by talking about what else I can relate to? — Sebastian 12:33, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Storm in a teacup This delicious cup of Rosy Lee is to remind you not to take things too seriously around here. I appreciate the olive branch, though I don't really feel like getting into a discussion about what motivates me in general, to be honest. I'm willing to answer any specific questions you might have though. Earlier you wrote, "I can imagine that when you originally posted your reply to user:Kasra tcme, your main motivation might have been just having some (harmless, as you felt) fun. But would you like to tell me what your motivation was later?" I don't really know what you're referring to in that last sentence. If you can be more specific I'll give you an answer, and after that perhaps you could answer the questions posed to you on my talk page, that way we can all get back to building an encyclopedia. Deal? nagualdesign 15:54, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Ahh, thank you! Sorry that you had to bring the tea yourself; I'm a terrible host. And an interesting idea to use a box; shall we keep doing that as an alternative to the indents (which were just meant as a temporary crutch - nothing lasts longer!), just for fun? No worries, I didn't mean what motivates you in general; I poked already a little bit too far into your off-wiki life in our first conversation; sorry about that, btw.

What I meant by "later" was when you restored the witticism. When you first wrote it, it was funny, but why repeat an old joke? By "questions on your talk page", do you mean the ones I labeled Q1 through A3 in the previous section? I've already provided quick answers, do you really need more thorough replies before we can move on? — Sebastian 17:39, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Storm in a teacup from EEng
You've been told over and over that several editors expect substantive response from you, and your coy pretense that you don't hear those requests is not helping you. Now answer the questions helpfully gathered for you at User_talk:Nagualdesign#I_replied_to_your_questions or this matter will be at AN before you can say High-handed admin with a bad case of IDHT. EEng 17:55, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

I didn't "repeat an old joke", I restored my post which you'd removed contrary to WP:TPO (as I clearly and politely explained in my edit summary), and I did so because (1) I don't appreciate being censored, (2) I don't appreciate other editors flouting the rules, and (3) as an admin you ought to know better. Now, I've answered your question, could you please, for the love of God, answer the questions on my talk page. They're waiting for you at the bottom of the page so you don't have to do a lot of reading. Thank you in advance. nagualdesign 18:19, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Let's calm down and have another cup of tea Now that was a storm in a teacup, wasn't it? Let's get one thing out of the way: WP:TPO is not what you think it is, as I explained to you in my block rationale (diff). But I didn't prepare the tea room to rehash old quibbles. Maybe I should have explained what gave me the inspiration for the tea room: Nonviolent communication, which I'm still learning. It encourages us to "replace the phrase 'I am angry because [the other person] ...' with 'I am angry because I am needing'..." (Emphasis in original). Instead of "motivation", NVC looks at the needs; maybe it would have been better if I had adopted that term. Whatever we call it, let's move on to what matters to us. In your reply, I sense that you still feel hurt about the block, so maybe you are needing freedom. Please accept my apologies if I hurt your feelings; I know I made mistakes, since the block was lifted by an admin who honestly tried to see both sides. I took the witticism more seriously, since I saw it as hurting my desire to fight violence and racism, which I didn't distinguish from the pertinent WP's policies. That was of course a mistake, as I realized thanks to Ivanvector. — Sebastian 11:01, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

"Let's calm down"? You asked what motivated me and I answered you. Really, the answer was already obvious. Whether you believe I misinterpreted WP:TPO is irrelevant, since it cannot change what motivated me retrospectively. And no, you didn't hurt my feelings. Now, instead of trying to turn this into some sort of unsolicited counselling session where we sit around singing Kum ba yah I urge you, for the last time, to answer the questions on my talk page. This will be my last post here. nagualdesign 12:06, 24 January 2018 (UTC)