User talk:Timtrent

Click here to leave a new message, LINK to any article you want me to look at And sign your posts using ~~~~. I may not bother with posts where articles are not linked and posts are not signed. I may just delete them and ignore them and you. I do not review drafts on request, nor, normally, do I review a draft more than once, so please do not ask If you want me to do something for you, make it easy for me, please.

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Hello, you re leaving an impression of witch hunting. Can you just stop.

Hello, you re leaving an impression of witch hunting. Can you just stop please. Are you the only reviewer on Wikipedia? Frankincense Diala (talk) 20:21, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Frankincense Diala: complete nonsense, and very much bordering on a personal attack. Please do not pursue this line any further.

And no, Timtrent is not the only reviewer on Wikipedia (even if he is one of the best); there are quite a few of us. Would you, perhaps, like me to review this draft next? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 20:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

If you think you are better of and of good conscience then go ahead please. Frankincense Diala (talk) 20:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Frankincense Diala: I am most definitely not "better of" (sic), but I am a different reviewer, which is what you implicitly asked for. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 20:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Frankincense Diala I would say that DoubleGrazing has skills at least as good as my own. They and I know what will, and what will not, be acceptable here. There are nuances of difference between us because we are individuals. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Frankincense Diala The only reason you trip over me so often is that you transgress so often. You will find that Wikipedians follow things through. An example is that when I find breaches of copyright I try hard to find them all.

@DoubleGrazing You are very kind with the "one of the best" comment. Thank you. I don't feel I deserve it. Please do review this editor's draft next. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:50, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Breaches of Wiki Commons? Frankincense Diala (talk) 20:53, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Frankincense Diala Commons matters are dealt with on Wikimedia Commons, where you are blocked for a week currently for copyright violations. That seemed to be the only way to get your attention there. However, I will not deal with this on Wikipedia, only on Commons. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Frankincense Diala I expect you are complaining about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Green Growth Africa, too. Please offer policy based comments there if you wish. You are entitled to comment 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:53, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

It's okay. I don't have a problem with you or that. I only feel you the Wiki administrators should help us grow in the Wiki Space, especially passionate editors like myself. Frankincense Diala (talk) 05:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@Frankincense Diala I am not an administrator. I am an ordinary editor, as you are. Even if I were an administrator there are no special privileges that role would grant me when reviewing drafts. Reviewers are simply experienced volunteers. Our duty is twofold:

• we have a primary duty to Wikipedia to accept only drafts which meet the needs of Wikipedia. This does not mean we have to like, nor to approve, of the topic, We apply the rules of WP:N and WP:V. We also look for good prose (subjective).
• we have a secondary duty to editors using the process to review openly, transparently, clearly, and honestly so that they may learn, if they choose to.

We are subject to community scrutiny and must be able to justify any review, any acceptance, any rejection.

You suggest you need to be helped to grow. I agree. And that is why I helped you with a substantial review of a draft. You then ignored this review and moved that draft to mainspace at 23:27, 4 July 2024. Then you moved it back to Draft on 06:34, 5 July 2024. I reinstated the review history. You removed the review history, which I reinstated with a request not do so again. You removed it again.

And still you disregarded the review and resubmitted it for further review.

Helping you seems to be like a game of whack a mole. You ask for advice, then you ignore it and do something else, or the same again. If you are going to learn to grow please take notice of the review and help you ask for.

Please put your energy and enthusiasm to good use and do the work required.

(@DoubleGrazing, do you have any advice or comments you wish to add?) 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 05:39, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Nothing to add, that seems a very good summary, and advice, and I certainly couldn't have put it so well myself; but thanks for asking. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:52, 6 July 2024 (UTC)