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I made this in the wikiproject colours

This user is a participant in WikiProject Yorkshire.

Feel free to use it if you want. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willow177 (talk • contribs)

To use it add {{User:Willow177/UBX/YorkshireWikiproject}} to your user page. --Bduke 23:49, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

If anyone knows how to add the categories to it, feel free to go ahead and edit, because I spent ages unsuccesfully trying to get it to work Willow177 10:34, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I think it is working now, but I'm working in the dark really. Try it. --Bduke 12:06, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Project Leadership

We need a new leader as Retiono Virginian is banned indefinately under WP:SOCK. Any nominations or suggestions??? Willow177 10:34, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Dalton, Richmondshire, North Yorkshire

If you could look at the history here I'd appreciate some help in removeing the pesistant additions of non notable individuals. --Nate1481(^talk/_contribs) 16:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I've added Dalton to my watchlist and will keep an eye on it. Is it worth trying to get it protected or something? --Kaly99 20:04, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

A report on the activities has been filed here as this is not the only one & he seems to have a grudge against me. --Nate1481(^talk/_contribs) 08:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Comments page

Do we want the comment page turning on in the project template, currently this facility is commented out in the template?

Would it be useful for people to leave comments an a seperate page about what needs doing to the article when they rate it or should we just put the comments on the talk page itself? Keith D 14:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I think the comments page should be turned on for the template to avoid confusion on this page. Secondly, if the comments about an article are left on the talk page of the article itself which can then be internally linked to this page when it is rated it would again avoid clogging up this page and be more relevant to editors who find the article but are not project members.--Harkey Lodger 17:09, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

OK I have put it into the template Keith D 19:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Statistics

Just to let people know that the statistics generation for the assesments is now working. We have just had the first auto run by the bot. The dates are confusing as the bot appears to put in the date of the start of the run (12 June) though it has picked up changes from today. The bot take a couple of days to traverse all the projects so should update the stats about every 2 days. 'Yorkshire' is 4th from the end of the list of projects to be processed so if it breaks then we may get missed.

Keith D 11:54, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Football clubs

Should football clubs be included in this wikiproject? Mattythewhite 14:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I think so. There is already a page of "Yorkshire football teams". Perhaps a link and an inclusion template would be a good idea. --Harkey Lodger 15:36, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I would agree, sport of all forms is relevant to the area. Keith D 16:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

New WikiProject

A new WikiProject on Bradford has just been started. If anyone is interested in writing and organising articles about Bradford, please sign up! Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 13:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Article list

The main project page indicates -

"Also, if possible, add each new article to the page Wikipedia:WikiProject Yorkshire/Articles (still under construction) so that they can be viewed for recent changes."

Is it worth creating and maintaining this page?

My thoughts are that it would be too much overhead to attempt to keep track of articles in this way. Other projects appear to add the articles to their article category. I think that we should just go for adding articles to Category:WikiProject Yorkshire articles.

Any thoughts?

Keith D 15:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

As there has been no response I have gone ahead and removed the requirement to add new articles to Wikipedia:WikiProject Yorkshire/Articles as I could not see it been created or maintained.

I have also added all of the articles to Category:WikiProject Yorkshire articles via the template. Unfortunatly it does not do what I was hoping. You can use the related changes function to get the changes related to any of the talk pages in the project. But there appears to be no way to get the changes relating to the actual articles associated with these talk pages. I have ask the question on WP:VPT but have had no reply as yet. So has anyone any suggestions for an easy way of finding changes made to articles in the project?

Keith D 23:10, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Hull Maritime Museum (Draft)

Hello all. I've written a draft of an article on the Hull Maritime Museum. This is my first article, and I'd love feedback before I attempt to submit it to the encyclopedia. In addition to the museum's official website, I've found several independent sources; however, I'm not quite sure that I've established enough notability.

I used two existing articles as rough templates: the National Maritime Museum and the Bristol City Museum and Art Gallery. I've also not finalized the list of categories; these are commented out.

Please feel free to leave feedback on the article's talk page. Cheers all.  Doonhamer | Banter  02:24, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Emboldened by User:Keith D's excellent suggestions, I created the article for the Hull Maritime Museum. I'm still happy for comments on either the article's talk page or, as before, on the drafts's talk page  Doonhamer | Banter  13:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I've created the article after some good feedback from Keith D, and added a {{db-author}} template to the draft page. Comments on the article still welcome on the article's talk page.  Doonhamer | Banter  14:48, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikification of the Wharfe article

I thought I'd tackle an item on the to-do list and gave a go at wikifying the Wharfe article. I added a UK Place infobox, wikilinks, and a bit more content; cited what I could; added the citation-needed template to content not immediately sourceable; moved difficult-to-source content to the talk page; and removed the wikify template. I invite fellow project members to look over the article and comment/contribute; I'd love a second set of eyes on the infobox content.  Doonhamer | Banter  21:46, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Portal

As some may have noticed, I have created a portal for the Yorkshire project. I have the basic shell up, so if anyone wants to lend a hand, feel free. Cheers! Fl1942 14:04, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

What's relevant?

On the project page is stated "This project proposes to work with all pages related to the county of Yorkshire, its history, geography, and people", and : "{{WikiProject Yorkshire}} should be placed on the talk pages of relevant articles to put them under the project's radar." What do we mean by "relevant"? Should we stick the template on the talk page of absolutely every page about a place, building, person, team, band etc in or from Yorkshire which we edit, create, or come across? Or is the project narrower than that? PamD 15:13, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

The easy ones are things primarily associated with Yorkshire, such as locations or institutions based there, ones where there is a more tenuous link it is up to the individual, but if it's ambiguous and the article is in a good way i'd leave it, if the article needs some TLC and /or cleaning then tag it so it may get it. --Nate1481( ^t/_c) 15:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Hull Paragon railway station

I have moved this to Hull Paragon Interchange following official name change and bus and train integration. Simply south 18:59, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Project user box

Does anyone know why the Yorkshire Rose image is not showing in the user box anymore? --Bduke 12:28, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I changed to the png image and it worked. Not sure why. --Bduke 12:33, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Guidelines

Currently you have an empty subsection of your project page entitled guidelines, thought you might want to pop in "{{main|WP:UKCITIES}}", as this is a UK level article structure for settlement related articles. It's used by the Cheshire and Greater Manchester projects (amongst others) and has had considerable success. Jza84 00:24, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks I have added a link to the page. Keith D 21:50, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Harrogate

A user, DShamen, has recently created Category:Geography of Harrogate Category:Visitor attractions in Harrogate Category:Buildings and structures in Harrogate and subcategories Category:Rivers of Harrogate and others. He is populating them with things out of the North Yorkshire category structure. There are a number of issues with this.

1. Ambiguity The name is ambiguous, does it refer to Harrogate or to Harrogate borough. I think it should be Harrogate (town), and be limited to things within the town of Harrogate.
2. Overcategorisation Does this move improve the usability of the category structure? do things like Knaresborough Castle and the Devil's Arrows belong in Category:Visitor attractions in North Yorkshire or Category:Visitor attractions in Harrogate. I think North Yorkshire is much more suitable because people with a limited geographical understanding of the area would not know which district of North Yorkshire to look in and because of the ambiguity problem.
3. Disruption a number of edits seem to have removed other perfectly legitimate categories, such as Category:Ripon which is now virtually empty, (I moved a few things back but by no means all of them).

I propose that these categories should be strictly limited to things that are actually in the town of Harrogate, and that we discuss whether a Category:Harrogate borough category structure is necessary for the things that are outside the town.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by King of the North East (talk • contribs) 01:23, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

GenUKI - historical info - bringing to your attention

For many places in Yorkshire there will be a page at GenUKI (GENealogy UK and Ireland) which may be worth adding as an External Link - it seems to fit exactly into criterion 3 of "What should be linked" at WP:EL: "Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks) or other reasons". It includes transcriptions from old gazetteers, information about availability of records with links where available, sometimes actual transcriptions of other information (eg "Trades and professions" from 19th century directories). The Yorkshire index is here: [1]. The editor of the Yorkshire pages is very firm about not wanting his transcriptions etc copied for use elsewhere,[2] so you must link rather than copy. I've added links in History of Leeds and St Gregory's Minster as a couple of examples. PamD 09:15, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Bain, North Yorkshire

I can't find Bain, North Yorkshire on the OS map. Am I being thick, or doesn't it exist? Angus McLellan (Talk) 04:00, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Looks like a hoax to me. --Bduke 04:26, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

The only "What links here" is List of United Kingdom locations: Bae-Bak, where this place was included in the earliest version of 4 July 2007 - intriguing! The editor who created Bain, North Yorkshire edited a different entry on that listing page on the same day as creating the Bain page, so it looks like good faith - presumably it was a red link at that time. The "List of UK locations" gives no source for its data. The gazetteer on the OS website has no place called "Bain", only a couple of houses in Orkney. PamD 08:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I've found a note about the source, at Talk:List_of_United_Kingdom_locations#Source - though it doesn't actually tell us anything much. PamD 08:59, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

This has happened before with an East Riding of Yorkshire article. The entry in the List of United Kingdom locations: Bae-Bak is really for the River Bain and not for a village or town - the dab needs changing to River Bain, North Yorkshire. The article has been created assuming it was a village or town. I suggest we either delete it or rename it to the river article, as one does not exist, and change the information as there is not much of it. Keith D 11:31, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I've moved the article to River Bain, North Yorkshire, written a vestigial entry (can't find an authoritative online source for its length but 2½ miles seems about right) and adapted the infobox that I found at River Ure with minimal details. Oh, and I've added some links. I don't think it needs a direct dablink to the Lincs river. --GuillaumeTell 18:42, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Historic Yorkshire (2001)

Reconstruction of Yorkshire at its greatest extent (pre-1974). *note this does include bits of Todmorden and some Sheffield outskirts that were not in the historic county, but just for a bit of fun!:

Historic Yorkshire resurrected using modern local government units*
Local council	area (sq. km)	population (2001 Census)
North Yorks	8038	569300
York	272	181094
Redcar & Cleveland	245	139132
Middlesbrough	54	134855
southern Stockton-on-Tees (Yarm, Thornaby, etc.)	46	47579
East Yorks	2408	314113
Hull	71	243589
South Yorks	1552	1266338
West Yorks	2030	2079211
part of Oldham (Saddleworth parish)	77	24351
part of Pendle (Earby, Barnoldswick, etc.)	194	17096
part of Ribble Valley (Bowland, Gisburn, etc.)	233	5168
part of South Lakeland (Sedbergh)	242	3691
part of Teesdale (Startforth, Romaldkirk, etc.)	390	4214
Total	15852	5029731

The only area I can think of that is not included above is the northern part of Mossley, in Tameside, Greater Manchester. All I know is that it elects two members to Mossley Town Council; haven't found census data corresponding to the exact region in question (two census output areas seem to straddle the Lancashire and Cheshire borders), or a modern map showing the electoral area. Anyone come across it? best, Sunil060902 (talk) 18:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Bingley Old White Horse Inn

Some one has queried the notability of this. Is any one who know West Yorkshire able to add to this article to establish its notability? Looks like it should be notable from the note about being a coaching inn. Keith D 00:45, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I've added some information, it's grade II listed, the current building dates from the mid 1600s and it used to be owned by the Knights Hospitaller. Hopefully this is enough to establish notability. If anyone has any books on Bingley with information that could expand the article a bit it would be good as the link with the Knights Hospitaller, and possibly the Knights Templars, seems very interesting. --Kaly99 13:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks for the additions, should be enough for the person questioning the notability. Keith D 18:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Scarborough and Ryedale mountain rescue team

Anyone fancy a go at sorting out this article? Keith D 13:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

History of York City F.C. request for re-review, please

As I've just had a go at copy editing this article I would appreciate a re-review and assessment. I can no longer do it myself, to be fair,and would apreciate constructive criticism--Harkey Lodger 17:24, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

As I said, the article is currently undergoing a GA review by User:The Rambling Man. Mattythewhite 17:32, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Hull Truck Theatre

Anyone take on an overhaul of this one? Lots of information has appeared in external links but are they useful as refereces or are they external links? Keith D (talk) 13:07, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletion: Coast & Country Housing Limited

Coast & Country Housing Limited (via WP:PROD on 25 December 2007) Kept

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 15:41, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

updated --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 17:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Article for deletion: Zillah Bell Contemporary Art

Zillah Bell Contemporary Art at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zillah Bell Contemporary Art (5 January 2007)

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 17:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Yorkshire Portal

I've been added some biographies to the Yorkshire Portal and updating some of the content. I'm thinking of moving the boxes around, getting rid of the news section and possibly changing the colour scheme slightly. Does anyone have any thoughts about this before I start any major changes. Also any comments or suggestions for articles, pictures or biographies? --Kaly99 (talk) 11:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

City of Leeds

The article City of Leeds was recently moved to Leeds city council. In order to reverse this a move request has been initiated at WP:RM to restore the situation. You are invited to comment on this move on the talk page here.

Keith D (talk) 21:24, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

West Yorkshire cities issues

Hello WikiProject Yorkshire participants,

Can I bring to the project's attention a recurring issue I'm regularly finding in articles about settlements in West Yorkshire? There seems to be widespread damage relating to the three districts of City of Bradford, City of Leeds and City of Wakefield.

I've spotting things like "X is also part of the Wakefield borough", "Y is in the metropolitan borough of Leeds" and "Z is part of the Bradford city council". These are wrong (for want of a better word). These districts have city status not borough status, nor is a territory part of a sentient council! The issue is clearly about effectively writing about a settlement within a district with city status, but trying to assert it is its own settlement, seperate from Bradford, Leeds and Wakefield. I can understand the conflict, but it needs addressing.

The issue is simillar to one we found at WP:GM with the City of Salford. However, we used the following formula "X is a settlement within the metropolitan district of the City of Salford, in Greater Manchester, England." Might I suggest that this approach is taken for settlements in West and South Yorkshire within metropolitan cities? I've made the change for Castleford and think it is best practice and the right way forwards. -- Jza84 · (talk) 16:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I've put something together in WP:UKCITIES, per the notion of being bold (!). I can't see this being contentious but feel free to contact me if additional discussion is thought to be required. -- Jza84 · (talk) 00:35, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

infoboxes for churches

I'm not sure where this is best raised - but there is a question as to which infobox is the more appropriate for churches. There's {{Infobox religious building}}, which is very general and is colour-coded by faith; there's also {{Parish church}} which is more oriented to church life rather than the building. I prefer the former, another editor the latter - see St Michael's Church, Headingley (and its history and talk page) and St Chad's Church, Far Headingley (ditto). I'm sure that two infoboxes (recent reverted edit of St Chad's) is inappropriate. Any thoughts? (Either on the topic, or on where best else to discuss it!). PamD (talk) 18:15, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

To add: I can find no Featured Articles for churches (as opposed to cathedrals), but there are 2 UK church Good Articles: St Mary's Church, Acton and St Thomas the Martyr's Church, Oxford - one example of each of the infoboxes! (There's also a German church GA at Church of St. Peter (Straubing) with no infobox). PamD (talk) 18:47, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Photographs of courts

If any Yorkshire-based photographers could take snaps of courts in their neck of the woods (e.g. Leeds Crown/County Court, Barnsley/Doncaster/Halifax/Harrogate county courts, local magistrates courts) and add them to commons:Category:Courthouses in the United Kingdom, the photographs would be very much appreciated for List of courts in England and Wales and List of county courts in England and Wales. I'm also working on a list of closed courts, so photographs of former court buildings would be useful too. Thanks, Bencherlite^Talk 22:27, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Kingston upon Hull & possible future collaborations

Since September I have been working with Doonhamer to source the Kingston upon Hull article ready for a GA nomination. There are still significant gaps in the sources which are proving difficult to locate online. Can anyone else step in with suitable sources for the remainder of the sections that require addition of reliable references?

If the response is good then may be it is worth us considering having a regular collaboration on some other articles to get them up to GA and possibly FA status, as we have very few articles there for such a large county. Any comments? Keith D (talk) 22:41, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Henry Moore

The Henry Moore article is a featured article but was promoted before the much higher requirements of in-line references was introduced. It would be good if inline citations could be added to the article now before it goes for a review and possible delisting. Keith D (talk) 13:17, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Watchlist

A list of all of the articles with the project banner has been generated by a bot and can be used to enable recent changes to project articles to be viewed easily by using Special:Recentchangeslinked/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Yorkshire/watchlist. You can see it in action by clicking here. Keith D (talk) 15:41, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Template:North Yorkshire

Would it be possible for someone, or somebodies to look at creating a Template:North Yorkshire akin to the Template:South Yorkshire, Template:West Yorkshire and Template:East Yorkshire navigation boxes? I'm suprised this hasn't been done before. It would complete the whole region too! --Jza84 |  Talk  03:41, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Done it, may not be perfect but I triedCyberdemon007 (talk) 16:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Looks great, thanks! --Jza84 |  Talk  18:33, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem!Cyberdemon007 (talk) 21:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I rolled this out just now (and fixed a couple of disambiguations). Saw lots of "start class articles, but some with great pics! Hope the rollout helps with navigation between these articles, --Jza84 |  Talk  01:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Tidy up of project page

I've used my sandbox User:Harkey Lodger/Sandbox to show a tidied up WikiProject:Yorkshire front page. I chose to use a blue background as per the background of the Yorkshire (albeit unofficial) flag to demonstrate the use of colour in the first two sections. This can be expanded to the other sections, if approved. I have revised the goal to reflect the way in which the project is operating then organised the sections to fit in with the four parts of the goal.i.e. create, assess, improve, monitor. Some sections have been moved to add clarity.( I found the text quite confusing at first and was unaware of how to use the assessment section for ages.)Please comment/suggest further improvements.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 15:19, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I've also added this Category Page and template {{reqphoto|in=Yorkshire}} I know we have some excellent photographers in the group.

--Harkey Lodger (talk) 19:05, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Leeds

There is, once again, discussion at Talk:Leeds initiated by users who do not find it acceptable to say that Leeds is a city within the "City of Leeds" metropolitan district. A recent suggestion is that there should be an article Leeds urban area as the main article about Leeds. PamD (talk) 23:35, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Proposal to reword the header section (Goals & Scope)

Proposal to reword the header section from:

Goals

• The goal of this WikiProject is to provide complete coverage on subjects related to Yorkshire, by expanding articles on people, places, and things resident or native to Yorkshire.

Scope

• This project proposes to work with all pages related to the county of Yorkshire, its history, geography, and people. We acknowledge the efforts and work of other projects which cover the same area, and will focus our attention on those articles which do not fall within the scope of any other active regional project, such as, for instance Wikipedia:WikiProject Sheffield.

to:

Goal

• The goal of this WikiProject is to provide coverage on subjects pertaining to Yorkshire by creating, assessing, improving upon and monitoring articles and lists about Yorkshire.

Scope

• This project supports any pages related to the county of Yorkshire. We acknowledge the efforts and work of other projects, and will focus our attention on those articles which do not fall within the scope of any other active regional project.

This is to bring the wording of the heading in line with the way that the project has evolved.

Comments/suggestions are welcome, please.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 15:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

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