Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sims/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3

Changes

I have done some changes to the projects Article section. The most visable is how i put the list into a wikitable. And I also added The Stories. Save The HumansTalk :) 21:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Question

What are the main neighborhoods in TS2? :) Thanks Save The HumansTalk :) 21:49, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Strangetown is one of them. But what are we talking? PC, PSP, etc?

BG7 07:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

PC. Save The HumansTalk :) 14:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok they are Veronaville, Pleasantview and Strangetown... but doesn't it say that in the TS2 article?

BG7 14:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

yeah But what about the addon neighborhoods? Save The Humans Review Me :) 17:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

SimpsonsFan08

If you have seen on the main project page SimpsonsFan08 apears striked out because he has been blocked indefinitly due to having sockpuppets.  :) Save The Humans:) Review Me :) 20:32, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Scope Issues

Hmmm... did this go through the WikiProject council? I doubt it would have been approved...

Would me much better to create WikiProject Maxis, and have this as a taskforce. 3 articles, plus a couple of expansion packs? Come on... I though WP:TUK had a small re-mit, but now i've seen this.

Still, as I said above, I will try and help anyway. Oh an RE:Simpsons Fan, I am getting the above oversighted as it's not suitable.

Thanks,

BG7 16:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

The requierment for a Wikiproject is 5 user. We have ten. Plus it is NOT required to go through the concil but it is suggested. And so why is this a "Scope Issue"?  :) Save The Humans:) RFA :) 19:43, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, various things:

1. How many of these users appeared after the project had started?
2. It is good form to go through the council. You yourself have suggested that people start task forces, so why not start WP:Maxis and make the task force? I am afraid that, even though I think The Sims is awesome, it isn't large enough for a whole project.
3. The scope is tiny, compared to lots of projects.

BG7 21:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for jumping in, but I agree with BG7. This should've been a taskforce of WikiProject Video Games. But it's no big deal - what's done is done. Joelster (talk) 21:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I think before it's to established it probably is best to either change to WP:Maxis and create this as a task force, or do as Joelster suggests.

As we're at WP, we'll wait for consensus rather than having a vote!

BG7 22:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

¿Hablas español

Hello. Some of you May be surprised to know I have just Created a account in Spanish Wikipedia. And I want to start a wikiproject Sims over there. So...Si usted habla español (o sabe cómo usar Google Traductor ^{Eso lo que hago} ) Le agradecería que.

AKA If you speak spanish (or know how to use Google Translator ^{Thats what I do} ) I would appreciate it.

Trees Rock ^{Plant A Tree!} 23:55, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Lol. I speak Spanish. But do they have WikiProjects there? And is there consensus? And don't use translators. I did this:

First String

The big brown dog ran across the road to the pond, but got squashed on the way.

Comes out as

El gran perro marrón corrió a través de la carretera a la laguna, pero se aplastados en el camino

Which is

The big brown dog ran across the road to the lagoon, but was crushed on the road

And the golden rule? Don't trust translators!

BG7 12:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

They have Projects over there but There is no consul. Trees Rock ^{Plant A Tree!} 15:19, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

And about the translators, That why i need help. lol. Trees Rock ^{Plant A Tree!} 15:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

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Important Notice

Hello all,

Trees Rock (talk · contribs)/Save the humans (talk · contribs) has left the project.

I will be taking over as the lead project editor, and as a result it will go offline for approximately one week, before returning as a task force within WikiProject Maxis.

All comments will be appreciated, either here or on my talk.

Thanks,

BlueGoblin^7even 20:47, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Why the name change to Wikiproject Maxis? Jammy (talk) 20:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

As discussed above, Sims has a very small scope, indeed one that would not have been allowed had it gone through the council.

Maxis is probably pushing it, but at least the scope is bigger!

If there is mass opposition, then we will not do it, however it is probably in the project's interests, as it will also bring in more "casual" editors.

THanks,

BlueGoblin^7even 20:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps, but what about the controversy that's going on right now that Maxis as a company has disbanded leaving all games to EA Games? Jammy (talk) 20:56, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea to form a WikiProject Maxis and incorporate WikiProject Sims as a taskforce. They are just like projects, just on a smaller scale. I think it would work better. .:Alex:. 16:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

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Goodbye

I haven't been here long, but because of the change, I will be leaving. SimsFan^{Talk to Me • Sign Here and Get a Thank You Award} 09:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

My View

Hello, I have been off-line for a while, however I thought I would come back to see how the project is going. I was surprised and slightly saddened that BlueGoblin had entered and decided to shut down the project, and make ts a much smaller part of a larger project. If you would take the time to look at my views I would be very grateful. I know that I left on the middle of a "discussion"; however I am surprised as to how fast things have moved. I am aware that I suggested this sort of expansion earlier, and the general consensus was to continue as is, or to create a larger Wikiproject Maxis. I can see how this would be a good idea, however I believe this would result in two things:

1. The project being absorbed into a much larger Wikiproject EA

or

2. The resulting arguments over if Maxis exists any more.

As to the latter, there have been a small discussion on this at Talk:Maxis, and the consensus reaches was basically that the studio and workers carry on as normal, however all of their games are sold under the name EA rather than Maxis. The article that the Maxis logo has been mainly removed from the Sims 2, and it is unlikely it will feature in the Sims 3.

As such I put forwards that the Project stay at WP:Sims, however it is expanded to cover all Sim games, not just The Sims, i.e.: SimCity, SimEarth, SimAnt, SimLife, SimFarm, SimRefinery, SimTower, SimHealth, SimIsle, SimTown, SimPark, SimGolf, SimTunes, SimSafari, SimCopter, My Sims and Spore (originally SimEverything). I believe this solution would be best for everyone, with little changes while still expanding the scope. I know this has been discussed before (by me originally) however I believe it should be brought to the fore once more.

Thank you for your time 23230 ^talk 18:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

There was a WikiProject EA Games, but needless to say, it didn't last long. But the series was created by Maxis, so the scope could be increased to include it. If games are still made by Maxis, they belong to Maxis, no matter what is on the box. Still, I think I too suggested increasing the scope to encompass all Sim games. This would be the most effective solution. .:Alex:. 17:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I think the project be left alone and just have the scope updated. Electrical Experiment 23:54, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

merge Template:The Sims series  · Template:Sim series

why should we have

{{Sims series}}

And

Electrical Experiment 00:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

They are different for a reason. The Sims Series shows only the games from The Sims series. Whilst Sims Series shows any game with Sims in the title. Jammy (talk) 17:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

okElectricalExperiment 20:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Newspaper

Whos in charge of the newspaper? How Can I Help with it? ElectricalExperiment 23:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Electrical,

I am running it now! It will be changing format, so if you can code you can do that, and if not you can send me stuff to put in it!

BlueGoblin^7even 23:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Im a 15 year old with a myspace ^{I Can code.:)} But did you change the url of the june letter because Ive looked at it and its been left in ruins. and who is trees rock Hes not even on the participants list. ElectricalExperiment 23:41, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Treesrock was the original editor, but he retired and then got blocked as a sockpupetteer. I took over the project.

Have a go coding the June Issue if you want!

BlueGoblin^7even 23:43, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Why isnt he on the inactive list. ElectricalExperiment 23:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

He removed himself and i cba to put him back on. BlueGoblin^7even 23:50, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Whats a CBA? ElectricalExperiment 23:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Can't Be Asked (or Arsed) BlueGoblin^7even 23:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Wel any way do you think the font Should be changed to Comic San Lucas to be more Simish? ElectricalExperiment 00:00, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I changed it. ElectricalExperiment 00:17, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Ribbon

I Created this Ribbon to go along with the SimStar.

File:SIms 2 Ribbon.png

ElectricalExperiment 23:30, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Archiving

I think it is time to start archivong this page. ElectricalExperiment 00:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments

I agree, this page is becoming too long. We can remove most of the discussion on the logo, the SimStar and the user box, as they have all been resolved. By the way, I like your new ribbon! --23230 ^talk 09:15, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I archived all april discussions and about the ribbon thanks.ElectricalExperiment 23:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Various - IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ!!!

Hello all members,

Following all your comments, I would like to propose the following:

1. We create Wikipedia:WikiProject Maxis, and have The Sims as a task force. I would be up for just scope enlargenment, but pretty much all of Maxis's games are Sims related, it would be better, and be more to WP liking to have WP:MAXIS.
2. We take the project offline for a few weeks, to enable use to revamp it. This will also tie in with whatever we decide to do with it.
3. I would also like to do the following:

a). Revamp the portal

b). Revamp the newsletter (i've discussed this with some users)

c). Create a proper article assessment scheme, rather than just tagging articles.

And any more you can think of!!!

Thanks,

BlueGoblin^7even 09:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I was reluctant at first, but whatever. I'm fan of Maxis games, way back to the first SimCity, but I don't necessarily want to obsess over articles about all their games (just The Sims games). But I beg to differ on your first point: most of Maxis games are not Sims related. Most of their recent titles are, but SimCity only had Sims as residents of their cities, but they weren't player-controlled avatars as they are in The Sims.

Despite the widening of the scope of the project, if the project has any members left after it's changed, I think the majority of people will only contribute to The Sims articles. That's why this project got so many participants in the first place. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 17:20, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, to take your points:

1. Just because WikiProjects have a large scope, DOES NOT MEAN that editors have to edit there, thus the use of taskforces.
2. That's what I mean. They all involve Sims some way or another.
3. 10? That's a lot is it? I should say if this project has any left after they've all retired or been blocked. As far as i'm aware only about 1 has actually "left". One who announced leaving was a WP:SOCK of a user already on there. BG7even 17:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

No offense though, but Wikiproject Sims sounds better than Wikiproject Maxis. Wikiproject Sims even has more of a meaning to it. Jammy (talk) 17:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Agree totally. In fact, those of you who have keen eyes may have noticed that all day I have been making it WikiProject Sims, for all Sims related games, not Maxis. Oh and have a look at user:Bluegoblin7/Sandbox7 for a view of the future (still under construction you understand!) BG7even 18:08, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

The Newsletter dosnt need a new format. Sincerely, ElectricalExperiment 22:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes it does. For people using Screen Readers (i.e. people who cannot or are unable to read the screen without a software programme reading it to them) it is impossible to read! And i'd prefer it if you didn't re-create/undelete pages when i'm revamping the project - they're not needed! Thanks, BG7even 12:55, 31 May 2008 (UTC)c

Well It was set to go out yesterday why cant we start with the new format next issue? Sincerely, ElectricalExperiment 13:01, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Because it looks shoddt if that's done. I've reverted all the posts. Please, bare with me on this. If you want to help, please tag articles with {{WPSims}}. Thanks, BG7even 13:04, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I have a question. Who put you in charge? Sincerely, ElectricalExperiment 13:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Noone did - but i'm taking the lead by making headways. Trust me - this is best for the WHOLE WikiProject. Pretty much everything in the newsletter is against policy! See Wikipedia:WikiProject London Transport/The Metropolitan for one that's compatible with screen readers, and also one that has proper content in it! BG7even 13:07, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes the content can be disputed but the format is standard format. Sincerely, ElectricalExperiment 13:10, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Either way, it still shouldn't come out yet! Can we take this to our talk, as it doesn't relate to the project. Thanks, BG7even 13:12, 31 May 2008 (UTC)