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Discussions about portal namespace cleanup

Portals to be eliminated

Some portals are on sufficiently narrow topics that they don't work very well and offer no benefit over the associated article amd maybe some associated pages. These should be removed. Legacypac (talk) 15:37, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Where the portal topic is a subset of a larger topic with a portal it may be possible to merge them in some way so that the usefulness of the minor portal is not totally lost. Perhaps a portal could have subportals when the scope is wide enough. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 16:00, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Maybe all the Category:Portals under construction should be shifted to Draft space until someone can finish them. I randomly found one that had been abandoned pretty much empty since 2014. Legacypac (talk) 13:43, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@Legacypac: I have a new technique to try out on a brave or gullible portal. If you know of an example that's so bad I can't make it any worse, please let me know. It would need to display excerpts from articles, or be easily modifiable to do so. Certes (talk) 14:14, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
Moving portals under construction to Draft space seems a reasonable idea. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 12:55, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
If a narrow portal has sufficient editorial support, it should be a wikiproject instead. readers dont need a portal for blue haired pokemons who have an erdoes number lower than 5.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:07, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
Probably not. One portal for everything related to Pokemon should be enough. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:38, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
If a topic is entirely static (no rotating content), like the root article, then it needs to be expanded. If it can't, due to lack of topics, then the subject's scope is too narrow for a portal to support.    — The Transhumanist   10:38, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Moving portals to draft space would be messy: lots of subpages, which we are trying to get rid of already. We've reduced the problem of portals under construction awaiting completion by speedy deleting almost all of the portals that are empty shells (CSD P1 A3), and the barely populated portals (CSD P2). There may be a couple more stragglers. The list of portals that have been speedied is at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet. When we are ready, those can be rebuilt without obtaining approval (such as from WP:DRV).    — The Transhumanist   10:38, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Another portal being considered for deletion

See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Baltimore. Apparently Wikipedia should consider creating a method of deletion sorting to include portals.--Paul McDonald (talk) 05:31, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Do you note that it is not a portal? —SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:35, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
The entry is discussing Portal:Baltimore.--Paul McDonald (talk) 05:38, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
It's misplaced in Portal namespace but it is not a portal. Please be honest with your notifications. Legacypac (talk) 05:41, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Portal:Baltimore. Poorly written, yes... something that can be fixed with editing.--Paul McDonald (talk) 05:51, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
I've upgraded and made changes, please review.--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:17, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
Nb. The result of the discussion was keep. North America1000 10:06, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
The problem with MfD is that you have to go to WP:DRV to get approval to restart the portal. Therefore, building the portals and saving it from deletion is the better option, if the scope of the subject is large enough to be supported by a portal. For example, see Portal:Quidditch.    — The Transhumanist   10:49, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Subpages that can be deleted

The following subpages can be deleted because the Portal does not need them anymore:

Due to the hard work of Broter.    — The Transhumanist   03:23, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Are there any admins among us who can do the page deletion? · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 07:58, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
The nearest SD criterion I can see is 'P1'. Perhaps we need a more specific tag making. Cesdeva (talk) 20:26, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
@Broter:, to speedy delete these, being the author allows you to place {{Db-author}} on each of the subpages, and in the edit summary you could specify CSD WP:P1 WP:G7. I hope that helps.    — The Transhumanist   18:32, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 Done. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:34, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
Is the general procedure going to be to delete redundant subpages as unnecessary clutter? · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 07:20, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Further Subpages which can be deleted

The following subpages are not more needed at the Portal. They can be deleted.--Broter (talk) 07:50, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

@Nihonjoe: Can you delete this pages?--Broter (talk) 09:17, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
@The Transhumanist: Can you delete this pages?--Broter (talk) 17:38, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
List of portal subpages

Also the Category:LDS Church portal can be deleted, too.

@Broter: I would think twice about cramming the entire portal into a single page. For example, I agree that anniversaries didn't need 12 subpages, but it might be logical and convenient to have them on their own page transcluded from the main portal. Certes (talk) 10:09, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
@Certes: It was always my aim to reduce the number of subpages as much as possible. I think I have archived great progress with your help. There exists now the main-page of the Portal and the box-header and box-footer subpages of the Portal. I do not understand why you are against the deletion of the subpages which are not needed anymore?--Broter (talk) 22:43, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
I suppose it's a matter of style and personal taste with neither of us being wrong. Does anyone else have an opinion? Certes (talk) 23:34, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
Yes. Due to the way the |same=yes parameter works with Module:Random, either the portal is very simple, or it needs subpages, each with it's own random components. For example this code I wrote for Template:Modern portal/Selected article:
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{{#if:{{{images_yn|}}}| {{Modern Portal/Voyage box | image = {{#invoke:random|item|{{{article1_image}}}|{{{article2_image}}}|{{{article3_image}}}|{{{article4_image}}}|{{{article5_image}}}|{{{article6_image}}}|{{{article7_image}}}|same=yes}} | size = 200px | caption = {{#invoke:random|item|{{{article1_image_caption}}}|{{{article2_image_caption}}}|{{{article3_image_caption}}}|{{{article4_image_caption}}}|{{{article5_image_caption}}}|{{{article6_image_caption}}}|{{{article7_image_caption}}}|same=yes}} | text = {{Transclude lead excerpt | 1={{#invoke:random|item|{{{article1}}}|{{{article2}}}|{{{article3}}}|{{{article4}}}|{{{article5}}}|{{{article6}}}|{{{article7}}}|same=yes}} | paragraphs={{{article_paragraphs|}}} | files={{{article_files|}}} | fileargs=right | errors= }} | link = {{#invoke:random|item|{{{article1}}}|{{{article2}}}|{{{article3}}}|{{{article4}}}|{{{article5}}}|{{{article6}}}|{{{article7}}}|same=yes}} }} | {{Modern Portal/Voyage box | text = {{Transclude lead excerpt | 1={{#invoke:random|item|{{{article1}}}|{{{article2}}}|{{{article3}}}|{{{article4}}}|{{{article5}}}|{{{article6}}}|{{{article7}}}|same=yes}} | paragraphs={{{article_paragraphs|}}} | files={{{article_files|}}} | fileargs=right | errors= }} | link = {{#invoke:random|item|{{{article1}}}|{{{article2}}}|{{{article3}}}|{{{article4}}}|{{{article5}}}|{{{article6}}}|{{{article7}}}|same=yes}} }} }}

As you can see, this uses |same=yes to keep the article aligned across numerous fields, however |same=yes sticks the parameters across all uses of Module:Random across the whole page. Therefore there should be 10 pages to a portal to allow the randomisers to work independently. JLJ001 (talk) 08:03, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Even further Subpages which can be deleted

The following subpages can be deleted because the Portal does not need them anymore:--Broter (talk) 07:17, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@Nihonjoe: Can you delete this pages?--Broter (talk) 09:19, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
@The Transhumanist: Can you delete this pages?--Broter (talk) 17:39, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
@Broter: No need to take them to MfD. I've placed this code on them: {{Db-g6|rationale=of subpage clean up – this subpage's function has been migrated to the portal base page and is no longer needed}}. Keep up the good work!
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The Category:Book of Mormon portal can also be deleted.


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The Category:History of the Latter Day Saint movement portal and Category:Latter Day Saints portal can also be deleted.

Still further subpages which can be deleted:--Broter (talk) 06:19, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

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The Category:Republican Party portal can also be deleted.

Addional subpages which can be deleted:--Broter (talk) 17:33, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

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The Category:Right-wing populism portal can also be deleted.

Subpages which can be deleted.--Broter (talk) 07:08, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

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The Category:Geert Wilders portal can also be deleted.

Portal:Juanes listed at MfD

Portal:Juanes has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Juanes. Since this is a portal related discussion, interested editors may want to participate in the deletion discussion if they have not already done so. Thank you. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 17:02, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

I've worked on the portal. If anyone wants to see if they can further improve it, please feel free to do so. The portal now displays content from 46 articles about this guy. Let me know what you think of it.    — The Transhumanist   19:32, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
The MfD is over, and the portal has been saved. Whew. Speedy deletion is good (no permission needed to restart the page), while MfD is bad (have to go to WP:DRV for approval to restart a deleted page.    — The Transhumanist   11:09, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
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