Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ghana/Parliament of Ghana/Members of the 7th Parliament of the 4th Republic of Ghana
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[edit]@Tagishsimon: Since they are all politicians anyway, could we remove politician from their occupation, so that occupation lists anything else they are, beside being a politician. -Masssly (talk) 14:19, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Also, I'm trying to add qualifiers as columns. i.e. parliamentary group and electoral district. Thanks -Masssly (talk) 14:25, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- I'll do you some reports covering all of the qualifiers. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:44, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Masssly Apologies, Masssly, I was just too tired last night to begin this work. I'm going to be starting in a few minutes. I'll use this page to make some notes on whatever I do, so it'll possibly be worth it being on your watchlist. --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:41, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- I'll do you some reports covering all of the qualifiers. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:44, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
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Comments 1
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Wow, thanks so much for this. Here are my initial thoughts, (more coming as I go through). -Masssly (talk) 22:05, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
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Comments 2
[edit]- 13. Lots of the MP wikipedia articles have no references, and so have been marked with Prod BLP - that needs fixing... list here
- These have now been fixed by Borgarde. -Masssly (talk) 10:17, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- Good work adding those refs. Now three more things to point out: 1) Many of the articles need {{DEFAULTSORT}} adding to them, since they're listed at Category:Ghanaian MPs 2017– by their first name not their family name, and 2) that category only lists 208 of the 275, so 67 are missing the category 3) New articles need linking to their wikidata items. Although they're showing up as bluelinks, this is only because Listeria is broken. Right now we have a couple of hundred which are not linked. The risk is that new items are created for them leaving us with a merge task to complete. Also worth mentioning - Listeria is dead until circa 26/02/2019, and so there will be no updates of this members list until then. --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:25, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- I've done MPs 171 through to the end; am slowly working backwards up the list.
- All MP articles are now linked to their wikidata item. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:21, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- I've done MPs 171 through to the end; am slowly working backwards up the list.
- 14. Looks to me like we've added the membership of the 7P of the 4R to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5960304 in error - the subject of this wikidata item was active in the 1960s. So we probably need a new item, and a new article, and to remove the DoB and position statement from Q5960304. --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:36, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- Now fixed. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:08, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- There appear to be some confusion here :) The subject is actually called Brako, and not Baako.-Masssly (talk) 21:05, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- oh dear :) I hope it's all sorted now! --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:14, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- There appear to be some confusion here :) The subject is actually called Brako, and not Baako.-Masssly (talk) 21:05, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- Now fixed. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:08, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- 15 I knew this wouldn't work, but it was worth the try :) Pls take a look. -Masssly (talk) 23:20, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
- done. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens during and after your editathon. Wish I was there ;) --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:04, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
- Last weekend's editathon went well. Not much was accomplished with regards to edits though, but I feel that I made some progress with training of participants, majority of whom were new to any Wikimedia project. I quickly realised that Wikidata may be easier to edit, but much harder to explain to newbies, about why they should edit (or why it's relevant). Much of the time was spent on training. I'm expecting the same participant cohort to attend the subsequent events on April 25 and May 25. Likely, we can have all the empty cells filled up. -Masssly (talk) 13:54, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- I saw the photos on Twitter; a very good turn-out. Wikidata is hard to explain; I wonder, sometimes, why I spend so much time on it ... it's not something that delivers much to the end-user, in the way that a wikipedia article does. But small steps are also important, Masssly, and you've done good work to get us this far. I look forward to the next two editathons, although end-April feels a long way away. Here are a couple of new reports which might help your users understand some of the value of structured data. Would be interesting to do these for e.g. place of birth, or region of birth. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:55, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- Last weekend's editathon went well. Not much was accomplished with regards to edits though, but I feel that I made some progress with training of participants, majority of whom were new to any Wikimedia project. I quickly realised that Wikidata may be easier to edit, but much harder to explain to newbies, about why they should edit (or why it's relevant). Much of the time was spent on training. I'm expecting the same participant cohort to attend the subsequent events on April 25 and May 25. Likely, we can have all the empty cells filled up. -Masssly (talk) 13:54, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
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- Thanks! I happen to be ambassador for Arts+Feminism in West Africa, and March is our "very busy" month, reason why I pushed my editathons to April and May. Interesting point about using reports to excite users, I'll try that next time. Indeed, place of birth, or region of birth reports would be very interesting too. We'd add those statements to Wikidata in our next sessions. Other reports I know would be very interesting to users is
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- a chart that compares country of education of MP's (whether they were educated in Ghana or out of Ghana), ie, say two frequency bars, one bar counts schools in Ghana and the other counts schools out of Ghana
- a bubble chart of the countries where their schools are located.
- By the way, I'm happy to know that you heard the noise we made about the editathon from all the way :) What's your twitter handle, mine is @masssly. -Masssly (talk) 21:30, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Doubles and troubles
[edit]I notice that there are now many doublures in the voting districts.. They have as their incumbent the present MP. Also the approach of having one line item per session of parliament is wrong. The position is not "member of 7th parliament" (just ask them) they are a member of parliament of ghana. That is it. A particular session of parliament is only relevant in its election. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 05:06, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- See https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_every_politician/Political_data_model#Approach_5 - the use of "member of 7th parliament" is an accepted coding - see, for instance, all Biriths MP items. If you ask one of the MPs, are you a member of the 7th parliament of the 4th republic, they will say yes. So, not wrong, though perhaps not to everyones taste. It has been discussed, iirc, in the Political data model talk page, or anothe page of that prpject, and in the edit summaries. I know Jura1 is not a fan.
- There were existing parliamentairians you remove them for something that is inferior. It is one thing to start from scratch there were many people already known as parliamentarian
- I don't grok exactly what you mean when you say "there are now many doublures in the voting districts". Constituencies are not duplicated. There are two reports, above, of a) 2016-7 constituencies, the majority of which are pre-existing items renamed to follow the source naming convention, and a minority of which aew new constituencies arising out of splitting existing constituencies into e.g. North & South for the 2017 (or indeed an earlier) period; and b) constituencies which are deprecated from whenever they were replaced. If instead you mean that some MPs have two P39 statemenets covering the same legislative period, when they should have one; that was noted in the running notes above as an outstanding task which has not yet been addressed as this is a work in progress. Such duplicates will be removed sometime soon. --Tagishsimon (talk) 09:13, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- How about new voting districts that already existed and already have a Wikidata ID?
- Are you aware of any I missed? These two queries might help:
- But the most recently created item in the 'other' list was created on 21 March 2013. So presuming the item had P31=Q41760643 ... I dunno, Gerard. It feels like you're being a griefer, to be honest. You've alleged that there are duplicate constituencies, without evidence, and in the absence of any obvious duplicates. You've kvetched about the nature of the position statement, although member of the nth parliament is in widespread use on wikidata. And you're waving your hands around about regions and districts, below, again with no particular relation to the practice of categorisation in Ghana - which is to nest constituencies directly into regions, rather than into districts. It's not helpful. It is stressful. It is pointless. Why are you doing this? What point are you trying to make?
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Constituencies are part of a district
[edit]I was fixing constituencies that are part of a region.. the lowest level is what we should follow is the district. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 05:15, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- I've not looked at this. I suspect we should follow the Ghanaian administrative decomposition; I got the sense from the naming that Constituencies were organised into Regions, but I've not looked at this in detail. The need to deal with P131s was noted above. --Tagishsimon (talk) 09:13, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- Exactly a region is comprised of districts and a district is comprised of constituencies.
- Only if constituencies are coterminous with districts. And there's no evidence of that that I can find - although they may be. The Parliament nests constituencies directly within regions. Absent any data to enable region->district->constituency, we'll be going with the source, if it's all the same to you.
- Well there is the English Wikipedia list of constituencies were they are linked to districts and no, it is not all the same to me. You are implementing a substandard set of data, that fact was established earlier replacing what was already there. Now you assume that you have the source / are the source and get it wrong. Wonderful. Thanks, no thanks GerardM (talk) 15:16, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- Nothing has been replaced. Really, Gerard, what the fuck are you on about? It's just a constant stream of diarrhea of unsubstantiated accusations from you, with no evidence, no links, nothing. Existing constituency wikidata items continue to exist and have been used as the electoral district to which the MPs have been assigned. No P131 districts have been removed from them. No duplicate items have been created, beyond the occasional MP item which has subsequently been merged. For the future, perhaps do us the courtesy of pointing, with a link, to whatever you think the problem is, and we can do some constructive business. As to structure and sources: I've already indicated that if a source can be found that nests 2017 constituencies within districts, it would be appropriate to follow that pattern. Absent such a list, we will use what sources we have. You seem to be suggesting that the Parliament of Ghana website is not a source? Thats ... stupid, just really really stupid and unsupportable. Just more mud throwing. Finally, nothing at all is stopping you from adding districts to constituency items, should you choose to do so. However it seems you'd rather spend your time making deranged accusations on this page. --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:58, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
So here's a challenge, Gerard. Point me to a SINGLE instance of me "replacing what was already there", or a SINGLE instance of me duplicating an existing constituency or a SINGLE instance of me removing a district P131 from a constituency. In other words, a SINGLE example to back up your relentless and wholly false accusations. And if not, just please go away and stop wasting my time. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:23, 17 February 2019 (UTC)