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Notability for futsal teams

Does WP:FOOTYN#Club notability also apply to futsal teams or is there a separate guideline? East Coast Heat F.C. was AfD'd back in 2014, but was kept as "no consensus". The article doesn't appear to have changed much since then except for a few more names added to the "Notable players" section and some minor cleanup. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:02, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

WP:NTEAM is the applicable guideline. The article needs to meet WP:GNG. Hack (talk) 05:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Angel Torres situation

Torres was charged in April with sexual assault offences. He was stood down by the club (ABC), but we didn't remove him from the club list as (at least as far as my reasoning) because seemed he originally signed a two-year contract which had a year left to run and he was charged not convicted. However, based on the latest signing by the club of a 5th visa, it is clear that Torres isn't registered for the upcoming season. The problem is that based on this source alone, it's afaik WP:OR to assume Torres left. After wondering about this on Twitter, sounds like in the original contract the second year was an option (guessing game as usual) and his agent confirmed at beginning of April (before the charge) that he's leaving at the end of the season. I think this source (together with the club standing him down) is enough for his move to "unattached", however my main wonder is if it should be included in this season's (2024–25) pages or in the previous season's (2023–24) pages?

Please add your thoughts (and any thoughts about the situation) how it best should be handled.

@Ausfootballfan: Pinging you as having added the move originally. --SuperJew (talk) 05:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

There's no evidence he has been released, so it is original research. Hack (talk) 05:46, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

How is this not evidence that he's left? --SuperJew (talk) 14:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

A Tweet like this from a player's agent mid-season would generally not be an adequate source to confirm a player movement, I'd have thought (not official/not final confirmation/not RS - even if more than likely an element of truth). In this case in particular, a lot has also changed since the time of that Tweet. In Torres' case, it seems clear that the initial contract was a 1+1 year deal, with the second an option in the player's favour. Without knowing the contractual ins and outs, it's possible Torres may now want to extend for that second year, given he won't be leaving the country (or signing for another Australian club) while his criminal trial is still pending (equally, you'd suspect the Mariners would be happy for him to go).

Significantly, he is no longer listed in the current squad list on the Mariners' website. That being the case, I don't think we can justify keeping him in the "Current squad" list given he is not listed by the club officially and I doubt there's any other current source which would contradict this. Macosal (talk) 13:52, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Adding to your initial supporting evidence, the club signed a 5th visa and didn't list Torres in their list of visa players signed. Rn, if I'm reading correctly it's 3 (me, Macosal, Ausfootballfan) to 1 (Hack if I understood their comment correctly) for not listing Torres in the squad. Question remains when and with which sources should we list his "move" to "unattached". --SuperJew (talk) 18:37, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Summarise this section in a Note (efn) in the References cell, within which mention official sites don't list him, and provide reference to the official sites list. Blank the date cell. Or put the note in the date cell instead of a date. Matilda Maniac (talk) 00:02, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

In which season pages would you think is better to put it? --SuperJew (talk) 01:01, 4 August 2024 (UTC)