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September 2009 Ballot

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The result of the debate was that immediately, Jane Addams and 1968 Democratic National Convention become Top-importance articles for the project and Donald Rumsfeld is demoted to High-importance. As the project grows, I expect to promote the first 12 (History of Chicago, McDonald's, Saint Valentine's Day massacre, List of Registered Historic Places in Chicago, Navy Pier, Chicago Pile-1, Pullman Strike, Richard M. Daley, Northwestern University, and Architecture of Chicago round out the top 12) and maybe a few others depending on the rate of growth of the project. If the project grows very rapidly over the next year this list might include articles as far down the list as Playboy after which there seems to be a gap in the scoring. Both Dick Butkus and Red Grange received no votes for the third consecutive time and will be removed from the list of future candidates. I expect that the next ballot will occur sometime between September 2010 and January 2011.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:20, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note By accident, History of Chicago was included in this list even though it had already been elected as top-importance in the previous elections.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Final scoring

Jane Addams	313
1968 Democratic National Convention	255
History of Chicago	254
McDonald's	241
Saint Valentine's Day massacre	198
List of Registered Historic Places in Chicago	182
Navy Pier	177
Chicago Pile-1	169
Pullman Strike	160
Richard M. Daley	149
Northwestern University	146
Architecture of Chicago	144
Chicago blues	133
Chicago school (architecture)	129
Milton Friedman	126
Sears, Roebuck and Company	121
Black Sox Scandal	117
Millennium Park	111
Shedd Aquarium	109
United Airlines	108
Playboy	101
Cyrus McCormick	83
Skidmore, Owings and Merrill	78
George Halas	70
Michelle Obama	59
John Hancock Center	53
The Jungle	48
Donald Rumsfeld	48
Walter Payton	46
Chicago Blackhawks	43
Leopold and Loeb	41
List of Registered Historic Places in Cook County, Illinois	39
The Blues Brothers (film)	35
Chicago Water Tower	25
Museum Campus	20
Dick Butkus	0
Red Grange	0
William Wrigley Jr.	0

TonyTheTiger's list

Chicago Pile-1
List of Registered Historic Places in Chicago
Millennium Park
Navy Pier
List of Registered Historic Places in Cook County, Illinois
1968 Democratic National Convention
Chicago Water Tower
Black Sox Scandal
Pullman Strike
Milton Friedman--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:47, 1 September 2009 (UTC) This is a start of my preliminary list. I don't think this portion of my list is final yet.[reply]
Walter Payton--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:53, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Donald Rumsfeld--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 13:18, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shsilver's list

HughD's list

Zagalejo's list

History of Chicago
St. Valentine's Day Massacre
McDonald's
Jane Addams
1968 Democratic National Convention
Richard M. Daley
Northwestern University
Sears, Roebuck and Company
Shedd Aquarium
Navy Pier
Architecture of Chicago
Chicago Blackhawks -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zagalejo (talk • contribs) 18:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pknkly's list

Tom Harrison's list

VirtualSteve's list (and rationale)

Folks - I am not a Chicagoan (I am an Australian) but I have been a member of the Chicago project for some years. I am fond of the project, assist sometimes as an administrator for its benefit, and have a couple of Chicago GA articles to my credit - and I remain a part of the project because it is well run (specifically by Tony over many years) and it tends to take a strong, almost scientific aspect to its pursuits. To my mind this is conducive to the overall aspect that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia.

With that in mind I offer my votes - including my first 12 votes but also I have numbered (using a scientific method) all of the prospective articles. As you will know by now I have also gone to each of the above voters to draw attention to this rationale so as to render my thoughts open to further consideration.

Rationale The very first aspects required to reach "Top Importance" in this project is that the article in question must have High probability that non-Chicagoans would look this up. Subject is a must-have for a print encyclopedia. Must have had a large impact on non-Chicagoans, across several generations, and in the majority of the world in a role as a person associated with Chicagoland or as a Chicagoland institution.[1]

Towards that goal Wikipedia offers a tool that clearly demonstrates the interest (in terms of being looked up) that any article - including all articles detailed above - has to all readers of Wikipedia. In relation to the above complete list of potential Chicagoan articles then it can be determined that in total, over the month of August 2009 (last month) the combined look-ups/visits to each of these articles equals 1,067,162 times.

Below I have provided the exact look-ups/visits for each of the 38 articles named just for last month alone to the right of each article. In my view the numbers of hits per article is an extra-ordinary good reference at the very least for the first 8 articles, because it gives a clear indication what the world thinks are the "top importance" articles within this group. Indeed the article Playboy was the 278th most viewed article, of the over 3,000,000 articles on Wikipedia, for last month alone.

I will conclude by saying that this is just my outside view of the situation. I am only one member of the Chicago project but it seems to me that as members it is all of our responsibility to look at what the whole world of wikipedia readers is viewing if we are to get the most accurate account of what others think are top important articles. If you do not agree that will be okay with me. With my best wishes to all.

Playboy 244501
McDonald's 139153
Michelle Obama 118519
United Airlines 64601
Milton Friedman 62840
The Blues Brothers (film) 52605
Northwestern University 39146
Donald Rumsfeld 38835
Walter Payton 29767
The Jungle 28737
Black Sox Scandal 22263
Leopold and Loeb 22160
John Hancock Center 21059
Saint Valentine's Day massacre 18966
Dick Butkus 16927
Chicago Blackhawks 16536
Jane Addams 14744
1968 Democratic National Convention 13396
Richard M. Daley 13334
Millennium Park 10093
Navy Pier 7517
George Halas 7127
Skidmore, Owings and Merrill 7032
Sears, Roebuck and Company 6931
Chicago blues 6641
Chicago Water Tower 6116
Pullman Strike 6097
Red Grange 4984
History of Chicago 4944
Shedd Aquarium 4712
Architecture of Chicago 4130
Cyrus McCormick 3810
Chicago school (architecture) 2962
Chicago Pile-1 2925
William Wrigley Jr. 2656
List of Registered Historic Places in Chicago 194
Museum Campus 152
List of Registered Historic Places in Cook County, Illinois 50

--VirtualSteve ^{need admin support?} 04:28, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- I would have preferred just your simple list of 12, but accept your rationale and will include the top 12 above as your contribution to the collective determination.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:51, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The page view stats are interesting. Thanks for compiling all that. Do keep in mind that interest does not necessarily equal importance. I'll bet that the high interest in the Playboy article is mainly prurient. But you're entitled to your own methods. Zagalejo^^^ 04:55, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In relation to Playboy I can agree with your thoughts Zagalejo but our top importance criteria asks for a high probability that non-Chicagoans would look this up and that is exactly what this list shows because it shows how often exactly that articles have been looked up. In terms of Playboy - I see your point of course, but can the same be said for Michelle Obama, United Airlines etc. I would say not.--VirtualSteve ^{need admin support?}

MrSilva's List

Jane Addams
Chicago Pile-1
McDonald's
Sears, Roebuck and Company
Cyrus McCormick
Chicago blues
Playboy
John Hancock Center
The Jungle
Navy Pier
Architecture of Chicago
Black Sox Scandal

My primary rationale is this year's History Fair theme, "Innovation in History". I think these are some topics students will be using soon. MrSilva (talk) 14:41, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DS1953's list

Chicago school (architecture)
Saint Valentine's Day massacre
1968 Democratic National Convention
Chicago blues
List of Registered Historic Places in Chicago
Richard M. Daley
Pullman Strike
Sears, Roebuck and Company
John Hancock Center
Chicago Blackhawks
Architecture of Chicago
Black Sox Scandal

-- DS1953 ^talk 22:27, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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June 2008 Ballot

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The result of the debate was The following are Promoted to Top-Importance Immediately: List of Chicago Landmarks, Chicago Loop, Union Stock Yards. History of Chicago & World's Columbian Exposition. The following will be promoted as the number of articles in the project grows (in order): Grant Park (Chicago), Magnificent Mile, Haymarket Riot, Daniel Burnham, Chicago River, Lake Shore Drive, Museum of Science and Industry (Chicago), Chicago Tribune. The following will be considered for promotion or we may call for another vote or we may discontinue promoting altogether: Soldier Field, Sears, Roebuck and Company, Chicago school (architecture), William Wrigley Jr.. The following received votes, but not enough to support promotion to Top-importance: Cyrus McCormick, Museum Campus, John Hancock Center, Walter Payton.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We currently need five more top priority articles and since there has been lack of activity at the pages related to this issue I am listing the five I would promote now and the next five I would promote. If there is no feedback I will promote the first five I have chosen at the conclusion of this request for feedback. If you want to have input to the process I will count your votes as well and total things before making my selection. You can select up to ten articles. There is an archive of past votes here.

Here are my votes, in order:

My preferences:

Tom Harrison ^Talk 19:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another set of votes:

—Cnadolski (talk) 13:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My thoughts:

Zagalejo^^^ 02:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My thoughts:

Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 21:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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September 2007 Ballot

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The result of the debate was PROMOTED Immediately: O'Hare International Airport, Field Museum of Natural History, Richard J. Daley. Chicago 'L' & Frank Lloyd Wright will be promoted after WP:CHICAGO article totals of 12000 and 12500 are reached respectively.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:07, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Over the next week or two we are accepting votes for articles to be promoted to Category:Top-importance Chicago articles from the list above. ~~There is no set date that voting will end, but it will certainly extend past the date of the Wikipedia:Meetup/Chicago 2 so attendees can vote.~~ Voting will conclude at the end of the day on September 4, 2007. Please keep the Priority_scale above in mind when voting. Since we will probably be promoting 4 articles list your 4 choices in order below (place newest comments at the top) We will total votes with 5 pts for 1st, 3 for 2nd, 2 for 3rd and 1 for 4th:

Due to the good turn out the top 5 from this vote will eventually be promoted. The first 3 places will be promoted immediately. The 4th will be promoted after we pass 12000 articles and the 5th after we pass 12500 articles. When we get to around 14000 we will consider promoting another 5.

Jeremy (talk) 17:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cnadolski 17:17, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Field Museum --Ancheta Wis 03:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

KyuuA4 00:43, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Harrison ^Talk 20:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kranar drogin 01:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speciate 00:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

. Frank Lloyd Wright
. O'Hare International Airport
. Walter Payton
. ~~undecided~~ Chicago 'L'--00:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Zagalejo 19:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shsilver 17:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Final standings

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June 2007 Ballot

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The result of the debate was PROMOTED: Aaron Montgomery Ward, George Pullman and Harold Washington TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Now that there are 9000+, I would like to see Harold Washington promoted to Top. Also, please consider former mayor Richard J. Daley, as his policies and actions shaped the city in innumerable ways. In fact, I'd rather see Daley made Top than Washington, but he's not even on the list. Speciate 02:41, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am personally inclined to pick Aaron Montgomery Ward and Frank Lloyd Wright. Ward's importance became apparent to me while researching the Historic Michigan Boulevard District. Wright's importance needs little explanation. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:13, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As a non-Chicagoan and given the parameters of top importance classification, I have the view that top-importance articles should showcase Wiki-Chicago and this will only occur if we mark them as top importance and they are written well. In terms of articles related to Chicago then I would say this usually occurs by a reverse discovery. What I mean by this is that most readers (other than for very obvious articles like Al Capone, Great Chicago Fire, Chicago Tribune, Chicago Blackhawks etc) will choose an item of interest and accidently find out that the content has a strong link to Chicago. So Frank Lloyd Wright; George Pullman; Sears, Roebuck and Company; Muhammad Ali; & Donald Rumsfeld are the type of articles I would choose for top. Given I only get a choice of two - I pick George Pullman & Sears, Roebuck and Company at this time.--VS ^talk 23:50, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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May 2007 Ballot

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The result of the debate was PROMOTED: Al Capone, Great Chicago Fire TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 04:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Muhammad Ali lived/lives on the south side of Chicago (for decades, I think). Since he was/is "the most famous man in the world" [2], and since the current article does not mention much about his Chicago connection, he should join Michael Jordan in Top. Speciate 00:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My suggestion the MA be Top was predicated on the idea that his Chicago connection is being given short shrift. If that can be corrected, then there is no need. But, I'm afraid I don't know much about where he lived, especially if it has to be citable. Speciate 22:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the Great Chicago Fire and Al Capone should be (Top). When people from foreign countries talk about Chicago, they make "bang bang" noises in reference to Capone, and the fire is one of the stars in the Chicago Flag, and remade the city. Speciate 23:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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