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Category:Birds of (African countries)

Isee back in 2016 someone deleted Categories: Birds of...(African countries)but just for the African countries, nowhere else. Long term project is to try to restore them in some fashion....Pvmoutside (talk) 11:06, 17 July 2023

Preferred source for synonyms?

What is the preferred source (if any) of this project for synonyms? Specifically in the context of listing synonyms in taxoboxes, as I've found that many bird articles have incomplete and/or unreferenced synonyms lists in their taxoboxes that I'd like to fix. I know we generally follow the IOC World Bird List for taxonomy, but they don't list synonyms for each species, only its placement and accepted common/binomial name. Sorry if this is a silly question, I just couldn't find any particular guidance regarding synonyms on the Taxonomy & resources page. Cheers, Ethmostigmus 🌿 (talk | contribs) 03:53, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

For bird synonyms there is AviBase although the data is a bit hard to access/download. The HBW/BirdLife (v9.0) downloadable spreadsheet has a "Synonyms" column, with values for 22% of species (and HBW and IOC have 93% identical species). Two somewhat dated sources are Peters's Check-List of Birds of the world and Hellmayr's Catalogue of Birds of the Americas and the adjacent Islands. Both are in the BHL. I suppose most names are in GBIF, too, but I'm not sure how reliable GBIF is; that probably varies with the quality of its constituent databases (IOC too is slurped into GBIF but GBIF contained an obsolete version of IOC last time I looked) - Kweetal nl (talk) 04:46, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Merge plovers?

We have a page Charadriidae for the family which includes the plovers, dotterels, and lapwings. These three are lumped under the name plover; we have a page plover for that, too. This of course covers more or less the same material as the Charadriidae page. Should the two be merged? My suggestion is for yes, at the Charadriidae page, and make 'plover' a redirect to that. This is a follow up to recent requests at talk:plover. TSventon (talk) 12:48, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Plovers covers subfamily Charadriinae (according to the taxobox) or the whole family (according to the lede), while the Charadriidae article claims to cover the plovers, lapwings (subfamily Vanellinae according to its article) and dotterels (which seem a mixed bunch, some in subfamily Charadriinae). It's unclear what source is being used for the subfamilies or if these common name divisions match the taxonomy as neatly. The IOC refers to the whole family as plovers, but H&M4 says the family includes plovers and lapwings and also recognises a third subfamily, Pluvialinae for Pluvialis. The article for latter places the genus in Charadriinae. I think these articles may need some work before and decision on merging can be made.  —  Jts1882 | talk  14:41, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I posted this as a response to a helpdesk question and my knowledge is limited to what I have read in the articles. Improving the articles would be a good first step. TSventon (talk) 15:02, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

@TSventon @Jts1882 - I've been forgetting to look in on this page for a few days. The problem with the subfamilies is that some at least, notably Charadriinae, are paraphyletic, so perhaps they are probably best dropped altogether. This is e.g. why half of Charadrius was split out into Anarhynchus: the latter proved more closely related to Vanellus than to Charadrius sensu stricto. See Fig. 6 in Černý and Natale 2022 for more details. - MPF (talk) 18:17, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Years in birding and ornithology

The most recent article we have is 2021 in birding and ornithology (and that is tagged for notability); we have nothing for 2022, 2023 or 2024. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

2021 songbird illness

I just created a stub for the 2021 songbird illness. It may be of interest to members of this project. Thriley (talk) 15:56, 20 December 2024 (UTC)