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Archive 2

Spedona

I can't believe how many of our articles fr:Utilisateur:Spedona has translated into French! It is amazing: fr:Écologie des Banksias, fr:Banksia epica, fr:Banksia intégrifolia, fr:Banksia integrifolia subsp. compar, fr:Banksia integrifolia subsp. integrifolia, fr:Banksia integrifolia subsp. monticola, fr:Taxonomie de l'espèce Banksia integrifolia, fr:Banksia marginata, fr:Banksia paludosa, fr:Banksia spinulosa, fr:The Genus Banksia L.f. (Proteaceae), fr:Alex George, fr:Supplementum Plantarum... Okay, that's not that many, but it's still one heck of an effort.

What say we make him an honorary member? Hesperian 12:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Reckon he diserves more than an honorary title, Gnangarra 12:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

(..................couldn't think of anything witty in french) ditto. Cas Liber 19:55, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Something like the below? - It is currently crap, please fix it for me :-(

Whatever we end up with, it will look a little different on the French 'pedia, as we'd have to use

{{Récompense|Rosetta Barnstar.png|Awarded to Spedona for prolific translation of articles related to ''[[Banksia]]''}}

rather than

{{The Rosetta Barnstar|Awarded to Spedona for prolific translation of articles related to ''[[Banksia]]''}}

Hesperian 00:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello,
The English Wikipedia's WikiProject Banksia is very impressed and grateful for your efforts in translating so many of our Banksia articles. You are now an honorary member of the project.

		The Rosetta Barnstar
		Awarded to Spedona by the English Wikipedia's WikiProject Banksia for prolific translation of articles related to Banksia

Update

Spedona has discovered that he has been listed as an honorary member at WP:BANKSIA. I don't know if he has seen this discussion; I guess not. He has added a translated version of our user box to his user and talk pages, with text "Cet utilisateur est un membre honorifique de WikiProject Banksia" ("This user is an honorary member of WikiProject Banksia").

He has also left a message on his and my talk pages:

"Cher Hesperian, merci de m'avoir désigné comme membre honoraire du Project:Banksia. Voila qui m'encourage à persévérer. En effet, j'ai commencé par traduire en français l'article Banksia integrifolia puis tous les articles liés, et le travail n'est pas fini. Merci aussi à tous les contributeurs anglophones qui me donnent la matière sur ce genre de plante plutôt exotique en France. Excuses-moi de m'exprimer en français, mais si je comprends assez l'anglais pour transposer les articles, je suis tout à fait incapable de m'exprimer en cette langue. Thanks you ! 82.124.21.243 15:57, 13 January 2007 (UTC) (Spedona)

which translates roughly as

"Dear Hesperian, thank you for having designated me an honorary member of Project:Banksia. The discovery has encouraged me to persevere. Indeed, I started by translating into French the article Banksia integrifolia, then all the linked articles, and work is not finished. Thanks also to all the English-speaking contributors who supplied the material on this species of rather exotic plant in France. Excuse me for expressing myself in French, but though I understand enough English to translate the articles, I am completely unable to express myself in this language. Thank you! 82.124.21.243 15:57, 13 January 2007 (UTC) (Spedona)

Hesperian 03:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I did the translation of the user box then posted to his talk page with a thankyou for his efforts, finally a use for 3 years of high school french 8) Gnangarra 04:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see. You didn't identify yourself, so he must have checked the edit history of WP:BANKSIA, saw that it was me that added him as an honorary member, and attributed your message to me. Apologies for stealing the credit :-(

And I bet you're still not as good as Google translate. ;-) Hesperian 04:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Or as fast lol, I dont mind you getting the credit it was your idea and he deserves the recognition. Gnangarra 04:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The translated userbox was an excellent idea. He seems delighted. Hesperian 03:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Is Banksia epica ready for FAC?

Is Banksia epica ready for FAC? I think so. Hesperian 11:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

99.96% two small thoughts left on talk page, short lead but I cant see anything that would create a substancial second para Gnan garra

Banksia collection

Did anyone in WA see Gardening Australia on Saturday night, you may already be aware, but just in case a couple have a collection of all the Banksias. It might be worth checking out. --Peta 23:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Yep, we know about Kevin and Kathy and the Banksia Farm. Kevin is very active in the cultivation scene, and has garnered a few mentions and references in articles e.g. at Banksia rosserae. Unfortunately Mount Barker is 350 kilometres south of Perth, so it isn't easy to get there. I tried to visit when holidaying down that way last month, but it is closed for the offseason. Hesperian 23:22, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Has anyone thought to write to them to ask for photos for wikipedia? It'd save someone another long trip. --Peta 00:53, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I've been there and correspond with Kevin regularly. Kevin and Alex George are pretty busy with a new banksia book which could prove tricky in terms of copyright etc. I will have alook as I have some more images I can upload (and then we can hunt around for the rest). cheers Cas Liber 05:01, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

"Shrub" or "Woody Bush"

I noticed that lots of the banksia articles refer to themselves as shrubs. The shrub article says it is a horticultural term and that woody plant is a more botanical term. If so, are the banksia articles horticultural or botanical? I have no idea but wondered if your use of one over the other was deliberate. —Moondyne 07:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I think you've slightly misread a rather poorly expressed article. A woody plant is a plant with a perennial stem, such as a tree, a shrub, a subshrubs and a perennial vines. A shrub is a particular kind of woody plant - it is a woody plant with multiple stems and small size.

The article appears to be trying to stop people from getting the idea that "shrub" is a taxon. So it makes the ridiculous claim that grouping plants by form is only useful to horticulturists, not botanists. In fact, "shrub" may be a useless grouping to plant taxonomists, but it is highly useful to, and regularly used by, other kinds of botanist, such as those that deal with vegetation communities.

Hesperian 22:44, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Dryandra

I made a list of things we need to do to handle the merger at Wikipedia:WikiProject Banksia/Project maintenance. The list currently stands at 165 items, but in some cases there is nothing to be done because I have listed the need to move articles that don't exist yet. Scary, but exciting. Hesperian 13:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm gradually getting a handle on this. Unfortunately there are a couple of omissions in the paper (most importantly, no nom. nov. for Dryandra prionotes), and it is unclear onto which arrangement the new subgenus Spathulatae should be grafted - I suspect they've resurrected Thiele and Ladiges' arrangement, but if so they aren't explicit about it. I've sent Austin Mast an email asking for clarification. Unfortunately, things are likely to remain very confused for a few months yet. We might be able to get it straight in our heads, but not be able to write it down for fear of an OR breach. Hopefully the good people at APNI will get onto it reasonably promptly. Hesperian 00:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

.....and a big job just got bigger. I'd suspect alot of Thiele and Ladiges names will stay, especially in subgenus Spathulatae. I sent a couple of ideas for names to Austin and Kevin some time ago - they're both pretty friendly guys. cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 11:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I hope you suggested georgii or georgiana. He deserves it. Actually, the latter name would make a nice double entendre viz Alex George and Georgiana Molloy. Hesperian 12:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

True - Alex generally avoids naming plants after people, though. I was going to ask all the notables for their views on the paper in my next BSG newsletter....cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 12:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Wagin Area

10 ks south of the town I saw an area about 2 acres of bush dominated by two species of Banksia, on is just starting to flower looks like B.prionotes(got photos) the other(also photo, no flowers) I dont know but doesnt appear to fit wagin banksia description. Sillyme forgot to check out where to find it, was only thinking in terms of what to find in the strilings forgot about the 4 hour drive in between. Gnan garra 12:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm interesting......let's see the other bush.....post a link when uploaded.cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 12:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

File:Banksia TBI 02 gnangarra.jpg

image 02

This one looks like a big ol' prionotes tree, buit I am still not great on WA id.cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs

Thanks I've gone back and looked at the other images from the area, seems that the younger trees have started to flower but these old fellows dont even have any infloresence forming. is this normal or would it be due to the weather Gnan garra 13:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I reckon the weather could play a part, not realy sure. The oldies could be on their way out too. cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 13:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Relevant discussions

If your ears are burning, it might be because of these discussions. Hesperian 05:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Ahaaa. There could be alot of banners on some.......cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 06:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Can you guys please review my handling of the Mast and Thiele developments?

Banksia brownii, Taxonomy of Banksia integrifolia and Banksia integrifolia once more have my blessing as FA worthy; and Banksia telmatiaea as A-Class again. You guys might like to review the way I've handled the Mast & Thiele developments in the taxonomy sections, and make sure it is satisfactory to you. (Don't mind the redlinks in the references - these journals and books are all notable enough and I will create articles on them over the next little while) Banksia epica is next. Hesperian 13:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

They look fine. Great work in keeping the articles up to standard. cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 13:43, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

reads well, Taxonomy of Banksia integrifolia looks almost ready for an FA shot as well. Gnan garra 14:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd second that. If you read through I think you'd find it satisfies all criteria. cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 14:25, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

What next

Cas wrote on my user talk page:

What next, the genus or do you want to get another species up there? cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 01:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm ready to tackle the genus again; what do you guys reckon? But I think as part of the process of getting Banksia up, we'll have to get the daughter articles ecology of Banksia and taxonomy of Banksia up to scratch. I can see me getting carried away and trying to get those through FA first. ;-) Hesperian 01:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

That's fine - we could put a rain check on it for a moment and get stuck into a bit of editing of the 3 of them and see what falls out as an article folk want to work on. cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 02:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Lets leave it open for the time being, and when an article becomes obvious we can concentrate on that. Gnan garra 02:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, agree, that seems to work best.... except that one could argue that we get all the easy ones done (e.g. telmatiaea and rosserae are looking next best at the moment) and never tackle the hard ones.

I still fiddle with the draft list of banksia species every now and then. That could be a featured list if we ever get it finished. Hesperian 02:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the criteria, getting a Featured List seems eminently doable I'd think. that may be the easiest one to do but will have a look around. cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 04:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Wow, guys, Banksia telmatiaea is coming along a treat! I hadn't seen it before now. Rosserae is too short I think and there is precious little extra info to add. Difficult and easy pages are a matter of opinion I guess.... cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 08:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

One day when I was bored I googled each Banksia species and took note of the page hit counts, as a rough measure of the prominence of each species. With the exception of the fossil B. kingii, B. telmatiaea came dead last. So I took pity on it and decided to tart it up a bit. Hesperian 23:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I think we probably all agree that FA is on hold while we deal with the Dryandra situation. And on that note...

Hey - just had an idea, what about working towards Bankia species as a Featured List.....or otherwise Banksia (Dryandra) sessilis...............cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 08:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

(Gawd I have Alzheimers I think.........)....cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 08:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Let's just call it a "great minds think alike" moment. ;-) Hesperian 13:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Mast & Thiele has invalidated chunks of our featured articles. I'm reluctant to feature anything else while our featured articles don't really deserve to be so. I've got Banksia brownii back up to scratch (IMO - correct me if you disagree), but it wore me out. I'm recharging my enthusiasm to do Banksia integrifolia and Taxonomy of Banksia integrifolia. Then I'll do Banksia epica, and then we can talk about featuring something else. How does that sound. Hesperian 13:15, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds great -been a bit busy on Red-tailed Black Cockatoo, Common Raven and Amanita phalloides as well as trying to save Humpback Whale at FAR (this last one higlhights the need to keep the articles up to date.....)cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 13:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

...I must say I have a rather selfish ambition to get one to FA which I started the stub on..these include - Banksia aemula, Banksia attenuata, Banksia blechnifolia, Banksia ericifolia, Banksia petiolaris, Banksia prionotes, Banksia robur, Banksia sceptrum or Banksia spinulosa as some possibles with spinulosa and ericifolia as my favourites (and most likely to..) cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 08:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

FA

I been watching the developements of various article thinking maybe 2 are near ready for FA Taxonomy of Banksia integrifolia and Banksia telmatiaea (lead needs to be expanded). Should we also consider taking some of the B class arts to WP:GA Gnan garra 08:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

B. telmatiaea is about as close as possible with regards information - I honestly believe I've scratched up every tiny piece of data on that damn plant. But I think it would fail on "brilliant prose" at the moment. I've got a printout of the article and every now and then I cast an eye over it to see if I can see any way to polish it further. The other issue with B. t. is those vexing pictures. It is supposed to be an upright shrub with ugly rust-brown flowers, not a sprawling ground-cover with pretty pink and yellow flowers. If you showed me those pictures and asked me to identify the species, I would probably guess B. lanata. I realise that one of the pictures shows a sign that clearly reads telmatiaea... but I just can't shake the feeling that something ain't right. If we took it through FA and then discovered our pictures were wrong, Wikipedia would be a laughing stock. Perhaps Cas can ease my mind by providing a positive ID. If I had a camera I'd go hunting for pics in its native habitat e.g. Yule Brook in Beckenham.

Taxonomy of B. i. seems like a strange article to take to FA, but it is up to scratch, and it is certainly getting close, I suppose there's no reason not to take it there. It might be the first example of a FA-Class article with an FA-Class daughter article! Hesperian 13:06, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Aah no, that would be Saffron and History of saffron - so we can feel miffed that someone has done it already or relieved that the precendent has been set. I'll muse on both as I've not done much with either so can qualify as 'fresh pair of eyes' cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 13:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

about the images this [1] indicates that KP appears to have the wrong labels on this species. Gnan garra 13:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I think Banksia telmatiaea is ready for FAC. Shall we? Hesperian 11:49, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Go for it Gnan garra 12:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC).

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Long time no speak

I see nobodies been talk since July. Gnan garra 15:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Nuthin' much to say. No talk doesn't mean no activity. I think nothing has been done on Banksia for the last two weeks, but before that I was going crazy on the infrageneric taxon articles.[2] Hesperian 22:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I know but theres a bot(thinks) that tags projects inactive if there no talk page activity for more than 6 months Gnan garra 00:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

What, even if the log shows articles being promoted? How very unhelpful. Hesperian 00:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

EL and ref links

Just thought I'd play with a tool I just found and check some of the Banksia articles

Banksia brownii -- 1 problem link [3],1 moved link
Banksia telmatiaea -- 1 moved link [4]
Banksia integrifolia -- 1 dead link [5]
Banksia epica -- all ok
Banksia ericifolia -- all ok
Banksia spinulosa -- ok 1 moved link [6]
Taxonomy of Banksia integrifolia -- [7] one moved

I just did the articles in FA & A class categories, Gnan garra 05:19, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

g'day banksians!

I call this a bottle brush, but it's probably got a more official name!

I thought I'd drop by here, because I took this photo the other day, and was quite pleased with how it turned out - and I think it might be appropriate to this project? - Apologies if it isn't in fact related at all! - but obviously feel free to use the photo in any way you'd like at all! cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 04:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. It is a Banksia ericifolia (Heath-leaved Banksia). Hesperian 05:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I see the article is already fantastically well illustrated! - there are more wannabe david baileys out there than I thought! ps. you do still owe me your boots, hesperian ;-) - Privatemusings (talk) 06:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Huh? Anyway, I am glad you like the Banksia ericifolia article. Been doing alot of plants...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[8] Hesperian 07:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

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B. brownii extinct?!

The blurb for an upcoming edition of ABC National's The Science Show, airing at 12:05pm Saturday 2 August, and repeating on 7:00pm Monday:

How a young engineer has built a company working on improving mobility for the disabled - it’s not just helping people get around the house, it’s about riding motorbikes, abseiling and surfing! And Banksia brownii, the banksia from Western Australia thought to be extinct, has been saved using seeds collected long ago and stored in a seed bank in Britain. Plus an update on the latest citizen astronomy project; where people all around the world help map the universe using their home computer.

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The transcripts is now online at http://www.abc.net.au/rn/scienceshow/stories/2008/2321770.htm. The species isn't extinct, but there's some genetic variation in the seed bank that has been lost in the wild, and they're working to reintroduce it. From Cochrane's last comment: "they'll find information on the web if they go to Wikipedia". Hesperian 02:51, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Banksia menziesii

Land clearing in Australia for housing threatens the Banksia menziesii

I wanted to add this image from land clearing in Australia with the caption (or a better one) to habitat destruction, but I would like to add a citation to support it. Can I get some help? Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 01:17, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Gnangarra added that claim and I'm not sure where he got it from, so you'll have to wait for him.

What I can say is that the distribution of Banksia largely coincides with areas of high population density, and large areas of banksia woodland have been cleared for agriculture, mining, urban development and roads. In 1986 it was estimated that 55% of all Banksia woodland had been cleared. Although B. menziesii itself is not considered to be threatened, B. cuneata and B. goodii are, and land clearing has been implicated in the decline of both.

A caption along the lines of the following may suit your purposes:

"The distribution of Banksia largely coincides with areas of high population density, and large tracts of banksia woodland are cleared for urban expansion every year."

I believe that everything I've just said can be sourced to Lamont, Byron B. (1996). "Conservation biology of banksias in southwestern Australia". In S. D. Hopper, M. Harvey, J. Chappill and A. S. George (eds) (ed.). Gondwanan heritage: Past, present and future of the Western Australian biota. Chipping Norton: Surrey Beatty. pp. 292–298. ISBN 0-949324-66-3. {{cite book}}: |editor= has generic name (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: editors list (link), but I will have to confirm for you tonight.

There is also a (fairly low quality) reference here, which states

"What we're trying to do is, we're trying to raise public awareness about the fate of animals like the honey possum. It's not yet on the endangered list, but it's only a matter of time before it gets there. And the problem is, as is so often the case, destruction of its habitat. This is an animal that relies on Banksia blossom for its survival. Now Banksia are trees which are considered to be scrub by so many farmers, and they push it over very quickly; and also it's very susceptible to die-back. And if you look at places like say Perth metropolitan area, they all want honey possums living here in Kings Park. The last honey possum collected in the Perth metro area was in Shenton Park in 1941. They are now only found in pockets where there are Banksia woodlands left. We would like to try and raise public awareness about the necessity of preserving these woodlands and not destroying them."

Hesperian 01:47, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. If you are interested in helping expand habitat destruction by splitting off a subarticle, like say, Habitat destruction in Australia, that would be helpful. Land clearing in Australia is essentially already covering that topic, so maybe a future name change might work? Viriditas (talk) 02:01, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

A much more recent paper by the same (primary) author will do the trick. According to Lamont, Byron B.; Enright, Neal J.; Witkowski, E. T. F.; Groeneveld, J (2007). "Conservation biology of banksias: insights from natural history to simulation modelling". Australian Journal of Botany. 55: 280–29. doi:10.1071/BT06024.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link),

"The Swan Coastal Plain is a major habitat for banksias and coincides with both a high human population density and a highly fragmented landscape. By 1986, 55% of the banksia woodlands had been cleared (Hopper and Burbridge 1989). Only 7% of the original 281 000 ha is currently in conservation reserves. Fortunately banksias tend to occur on the poorest soils (sands and laterites) and these areas are the last to be cleared for farming. Opening up the ‘light’ lands after World War II, and especially parts of the northern and southern sandplains in the 1960s and 1970s, has led to direct threats from land-clearance and the spread of diseases and alien weeds. Rare banksias have become even rarer."

and

"Loss of habitat through land-clearing, mainly for agriculture, has had the greatest impact on the conservation status of banksias in south-western Australia during the last 50 years. Even though a moratorium on clearing has resulted in a marked decline in clearing rates during the last 15 years, it continues at an average rate of 3% per decade in the banksia-rich Eneabba Plain. It has been an issue of loss of entire populations rather than of fragmentation."

Hesperian 02:21, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll add it when I return in a few hours. Viriditas (talk) 09:02, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

thanks hesp for the references, I took the image after reading something about the effect of clearing for urban development in the City of Gosnells and the lack of natural bushland retention in Canning Vale/Southern river areas. Gnan garra 14:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
and a bit of WP:OR the stand of B.menziesii in that image has since been cleared. Gnan garra 14:35, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
That's sad, but I've been watching the same thing going on in Hawaii for so long I'm almost numb. Any chance you can take another photo from the same spot (or as close as you can get) for a before and after photo? The lead image on habitat destruction is a good example. Viriditas (talk) 21:19, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

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Photos and some more info for the page

Hi, I'm willing to contribute some photos of Banksias that I've taken "in the wild", in south-west WA as well as at Banksia Farm. I haven't photos of every species by any means but I've quite a few for which there don't appear to be any on wikipedia thus far.

Also, in the Distribution and Habitat section it says that "Most of the eastern Australian species survive in uplands, but of the Western Australian species only B. solandri (Stirling Range Banksia) survives at high altitudes". West Australian species B. oreophila and B. brownii also grow at altitude in the Stirlings, but altitude is a relative thing - the Stirlings don't go much higher than 1000m. There's also a species of (what was previously) Dryandra which I've seen at altitude, but I'm yet to ID it.

I also have "Banksias", the new book by Keith Collins et al., which I could add to the "Field guides and other technical resources" section. It's basically the updated version of "The Banksia Book". They reject Mast and Thiele's combination of Dryandra and Banksia and the book only describes the "old" Banksias. There is also an excellent book called "The Dryandras", which details all the "old" Dryandras. Again, the authors disregard Mast and Thiele's reclassification. cheers. MainlandQuokka (talk) 05:21, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi; we'd be very happy to take your photos, and whatever textual contributions you want to make. Be bold!

Most of the genus article predates the transfer, so only deals with the old banksias.

I didn't know Collins' book had come out yet; thanks for that info. "The Dryandras" predates the transfer, rather than ignoring it.

Hesperian 05:34, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Right-o, I've uploaded some photos on wiki commons - more to come - and will update some text later.MainlandQuokka (talk) 01:22, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Also, you're right in saying "The Dryandras" predates the transfer, however, if my memory serves me correctly they were aware of an impending reclassification and commented on it briefly in the book (I stand to be corrected on this one).MainlandQuokka (talk) 01:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, they mention it. Hesperian 02:17, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Before I start editing text, do you guys prefer to put any changes in a draft before putting on the main page, or are you happy for the main page to be edited straight-away?MainlandQuokka (talk) 07:16, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Just go for it mate. We have a be bold policy here. So long as you don't mind other people boldly rephrasing what you write ;-) Hesperian 09:52, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

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Redlinks

In case you were wondering, these are the redlinks that occur more than once in our banksia articles.

Link	Count
Dryandra ser. Gymnocephalae	15
Dryandra ser. Obvallatae	14
Dryandra ser. Concinnae	14
Dryandra ser. Runcinatae	14
Dryandra ser. Dryandra	14
Dryandra ser. Decurrentes	14
Dryandra ser. Pectinatae	14
Dryandra ser. Acrodontae	14
Dryandra ser. Marginatae	14
Dryandra ser. Tenuifoliae	13
Dryandra ser. Triangulares	13
Dryandra ser. Foliosae	13
Margaret Pieroni	9
Banksia meisneri var. ascendens	7
Banksia meisneri var. meisneri	5
Dryandra ser. Formosae	5
Mount Lesueur	5
Plantae Preissianae	5
Banksia paludosa subsp. astrolux	4
Banksia fraseri var. crebra	4
Banksia squarrosa subsp. argillacea	4
Banksia pteridifolia subsp. vernalis	4
Flora Australasica	4
Banksia fraseri var. oxycedra	4
Banksia serratuloides subsp. perissa	4
Esperance Bay	4
Banksia ionthocarpa subsp. chrysophoenix	4
Banksia plumosa subsp. denticulata	4
Banksia borealis subsp. elatior	4
Banksia drummondii subsp. drummondii	4
Banksia nivea subsp. uliginosa	4
Banksia subpinnatifida var. imberbis	4
Banksia nobilis subsp. fragrans	4
Genera Plantarum Secundum Ordines Naturales Disposita	4
Lucky Bay	3
Banksia ericifolia var. macrantha	3
Banksia paludosa subsp. paludosa	3
Banksia rufa subsp. magma	3
Dryandra § Pectinatae	3
Banksia ser. Dryandroides	3
Banksia ericifolia var. ericifolia	3
Banksia subser. Integrifoliae	3
Banksia drummondii subsp. macrorufa	3
Banksia erythrocephala var. inopinata	3
Banksia mucronulata subsp. retrorsa	3
Edmund Gilbert Baker	3
Banksia kippistiana var. paenepeccata	3
Banksia fraseri var. ashbyi	3
Dryandra § Haplophyllae	3
Richard Kippist	3
Banksia subser. Acclives	3
Banksia nivea subsp. nivea	3
Dryandra § Acrodontae	2
Dryandra § Runcinatae	2
Dryandra § Decurrentes	2
Dryandra § Serratae	2
Banksia subser. Occidentales	2
Banksia kippistiana var. kippistiana	2
Banksia subser. Ericifoliae	2
Hooker's Journal of Botany and Kew Gardens Miscellany	2
Banksia drummondii subsp. hiemalis	2
Banksia subser. Spinulosae	2
Dryandra § Marginatae	2
Banksia pteridifolia subsp. inretita	2
Waite Agricultural Research Institute	2
Banksia fraseri var. effusa	2

Hesperian 02:31, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Right then....dusting off the cobwebs....a game plan

OK, I need to edit some banksia articles and bolster our Featured ranks. I suppose Banksia sessilis is closest to FAC. Hesp, I noticed that Circeus is active, so would you be emboldened to give it a final push if he (and hte rest of us) gave it a look over? I nommed Banksia prionotes at GA as a bit of a psuh as well, but what i have found is I have alot more material on Banksia menziesii so was warming to teh idea of this one as well. I reckon getting a couple of these through would get us primed to push banksia through as well (finally). So does this sound like a gameplan? We can also knock out a few DYKs for fun along the way... :)Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:48, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Arggh! So frustrating how little time I have at the moment. I have plenty of minutes here and there to dick around with stuff that doesn't require much thought, but blocks of time to really get my teeth into a topic are so hard to come by.

You would have noticed that I put quite a lot into B. prionotes a couple of weeks ago. I've been unable to get back into it for a little while, but am committed to keeping at it. I actually think prionotes is much closer to FAC than sessilis is.

Menziesii would be a great project, but unlike you I'm not good at working on a gazillion articles at once; I'd prefer to chip away at prionotes for now.

Have you looked at B. cuneata lately?—Very close in my opinion; I just need to track down the (unpublished) recovery plans. And B. acanthopoda too—a bit short, but I can say with some confidence that I've tracked down every bit of published information available, with one exception—I haven't got my hands on any of the Dryandra Study Group newsletters yet.

From a personal (i.e. non-Wikiproject) standpoint, the article that is closest to FAC is North Island (Houtman Abrolhos). If I could just find the time to give it a good copyedit, it would be good to go.

Hesperian 07:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Gosh, you copyedited all three! Thanks!

I should have thought, though, cuneata can't be FACd because there's no photo yet. Hesperian 12:11, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Only did bits and pieces. I can still see content to add but am now bewildered at which one to attck first...Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

B.cuneata is a september - december flower, though the lack of rain so far this year may be problematic any way I canrun out there before then to get picts for the article if needed, I'd like to try for flower as well. B.menzeii is in flower now so is there anything you'd like that hasnt already been photographed? b.prionotes also has a selection now, are there any requests, likewise sessilis? I'll throw up some distribution maps in the next week or so. Gnan garra 15:20, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

So, back to the subject of a game plan.... I think we should put cuneata on the backburner, so Gnangarra has a chance to pursue photos. And I'm happy to set aside acanthopoda for now too. I say we push prionotes through, then sessilis or menziesii or both—it may be better to defer the decision on that for now. Then a fresh attack on Banksia; but a warning that I don't think we could get it through without putting a lot of effort into the key subtopics "Taxonomy of", "Ecology of" and "List of". Hesperian 01:20, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Update

Damn I need to check this page more often. Okay, I have found some extra info on prionotes and also some nice photos stuffed away on some folder on my hard drive, so I am getting keen on throwing this one at FAC. I reckoned sessilis didn't look to bad Hesp. Menziesii has some articles worth sniffing out first and I agree on waiting for more photos for cuneata. I have asked Circeus to look over prionotes, and I will look at sessilis while we wait. Is there more info to go in that one? Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:24, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

With respect to cuneata, I just realised that I put copious notes on the talk page, which I never got around to working into the article. Funny; I thought I'd finished that job. So I should never have brought it up in the first place.
With respect to prionotes, there is still a lot of fire response material that I haven't worked into the article yet; the raw notes are on the talk page.
With respect to sessilis, yet, there is heaps of ecology stuff out there that I haven't even read yet.
I haven't looked at menziesii for ages.

Hesperian 00:42, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Inactive Tag

I marked this WikiProject as inactive due to a lack of recent project activity. If this tag was placed in error, simply remove it from the top of the page and mark this project 'active' at the WikiProject Directory, here. Andyo2000 (talk) 15:51, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

WTF? Lack of recent project activity? I think not. There is talk on this page that is less than a week old, and more importantly there is a major collaboration going on at Banksia prionotes. Hesperian 23:25, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Hell yeah, it will be the first of a few...Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Or rather, the 7th of 321. :-D Hesperian 02:40, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

B.cuneata

Now for B.cuneata what photographs are needed, what are desired planning for a run in about 3 weeks so that gives you guys time to think about what you would like. To round the article off I grab some photographs of Badjaling Nature Reserve and work on making that a small article, also Salt River(Western Australia) would presume that needs to be worked up t an article with photographs as well. Gnan garra 05:06, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

There I was thinking this article was done, when it turns out that I had dumped a lot of ecological notes on the talk page, and never gotten around to working them into the article. If you're going for photos I'll make it my highest priority to get it finished.

The usual suspects: overall habit, habit, bark, foliage, flower spike before/during/after anthesis, closeup of individual flowers; fruiting spike with follicles open/closed; closeup of open follicles; seedlings if available; post-fire plant if available; a bird feeding at a flower—I don't ask for much, hey. I wish I could ask you to dissect out individual flowers, seeds, seed separator, etcetera; but this is an endangered species and I suggest that a great deal of care must be taken not to do anything that might be perceived as interfering with its reproduction. Hesperian 05:24, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

You wanna prioritise this one over B. sessilis? Actually three weeks is an okay run in I guess... Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I was just saying that, having noticed that I left a job half-finished (I actually noticed a few weeks ago, but we were busy with prionotes), and having been given a very good reason to get off my backside and finish it, I'll make it my priority to do so. I wasn't particularly talking about FA, although it is a good idea to take cuneata to FA, and sooner rather than later. But I'm happy to go for sessilis next... just as soon as I've cleaned up my mess at cuneata. :-) Hesperian 05:42, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I wasnt suggesting this as the next to FA, its just that I'm planning a run out there to take photographs given that it'll be an all day run I probably wont get another chance this flowering season, sessilis being local is easy to grab picts on demand and we already have many flowering picts of that one. Gnan garra 05:59, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

FA - B.prionotes

Well done on getting this one to FA. Gnan garra 05:06, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes indeed, not bad for an "inactive" project. Melburnian (talk) 10:52, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

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Biogeographical maps

I thought this project might know a bit more than most about biogeographical maps, ie plant range maps etc - there is a wee discussion going on at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Maps#Biogeographical maps if anyone would like to give input Kahuroa (talk) 06:42, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Nuytsia citations

From Wikipedia as an encyclopaedia of life, "From a taxonomic perspective it is interesting that journals such as Australian Systematic Botany and Nuytsia have higher citation rates than predicted by their impact factor." I think I may have identified the guilty party ;-) Rkitko ^(talk) 17:21, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Photographs - flowering

With the recent drive on Baksia's and that some are lacking flowers can we get together a flowering timetable for the WA plants that way when we move around the country side we can add detours to locations to get the basic flower photo for each article. Gnan garra 02:34, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Collins et al has a nice flowering timetable for all the species which I have seen, though I don't have a copy of this book myself. Melburnian (talk) 02:47, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Every banksia book includes a table of some sort. I'll try to remember to send you some scans. Hesperian 03:29, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

No table in my 1975 edition of A Field Guide to Banksias - think it's time I updated :| --Melburnian (talk) 08:15, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

thanks Gnan garra 05:52, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

sent. Hesperian 23:43, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

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Three articles were selected Banksia, Joseph Banks and Banksia brownii. Gnan garra 05:26, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

citation rates redux

I was just reading a paper linked to by Rkitko on the plants page, and was tickled pink to read

"From a taxonomic perspective it is interesting that journals such as Australian Systematic Botany and Nuytsia have higher citation rates than predicted by their impact factors."

with a citation to that Nielson paper from 2008. Hesperian 23:54, 4 January 2011 (UTC)