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Requested move at Talk:Sexual and gender-based violence in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel#Requested move 4 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sexual and gender-based violence in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel#Requested move 4 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I would like some help understanding something apparently invlolving the US Justice Department

Please comment at Talk:Simon_Ekpa#The_US_Justice_Department_thing if you can help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Jacobson v. United States

Jacobson v. United States has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 19:08, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Which notability criteria apply to decisions by the Bundesverfassungsgericht?

I'm looking to create articles on some of the more significant decisions, which (to the best of my knowledge) do not yet exist. Would media coverage and scientific literature be sufficient to establish notability (along the lines of Wikipedia:THREE) or do they need something special? FortunateSons (talk) 16:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

GNG. We don't have specific notability criteria for court cases. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:45, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Wikipedia:GNG would mean that almost all “standard cases” are notable, is that an issue? FortunateSons (talk) 21:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Most modern SCOTUS cases are probably notable, so it doesn't surprise me that most of the BverfG cases would be. I'm shocked that we don't have articles on most of the cases in Federal Constitutional Court#Landmark decisions. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, and even that list is lacking many of the “core” cases regarding free speech, freedom of assembly etc. Might work my way through some of them, it’s good practice for me anyway. Thank you! FortunateSons (talk) 22:51, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Constitution of the People's Republic of China#Requested move 4 July 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Constitution of the People's Republic of China#Requested move 4 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 14:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Free Press (organization)#Requested move 14 July 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Free Press (organization)#Requested move 14 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 22:42, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Proposal: Jurisdiction-specific task forces?

Would it be useful to have jurisdiction-specific taskforces? We have some subprojects listed—Wikipedia:WikiProject Canadian law and Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian law. Both are marked inactive. Articles are put in the Australian and Canadian projects respectively by adding law=yes to the WikiProject Australia/Canada talk page template. In the past we had an "EW" parameter for England and Wales—it no longer works, so I removed the documentation for it earlier in the year.

Module:WikiProject banner allows the creation of taskforces in a fairly simple way, and it seems like a reasonable use case for jurisdiction-specific articles. I'm keen on setting one up for England and Wales where I think I can reasonably contribute. —Tom Morris (talk) 09:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

If people are interested, I'd be fine with that and would participate in a US one. Otherwise, I think we'd just end up with a bunch of inactive task forces. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks - the inactivity is less of a concern for me than the benefit of being able to say "I'd like to see stuff I can improve that's relevant to my interests". I'm reasonably confident about improving, say, articles on English topics but not on ones related to other jurisdictions.

I'll wait for more feedback, but once there's consensus, I'll try and kick off an E&W one, and hopefully that can be a model for doing likewise for others. —Tom Morris (talk) 12:12, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Concurrent use registration

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Proposed deletion of Law broker

The article Law broker has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

I am not sure that this is a real and widespread term even in the claimed regions. The previously removed external links seem to point to one person (with a company with "law broker" in the name), who uses the term to describe lawyer referral services. I don't think any validation of this as a term that is used will ever be discovered in the future.

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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Gnisacc (talk) 19:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Indictment and arrest of Julian Assange#Requested move 17 July 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Indictment and arrest of Julian Assange#Requested move 17 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 16:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Allbirds checking

Hello WP Law. I recently finished the page for Allbirds, which includes some litigation and summary of legal scholarship, namely in "Corporate Affairs." I would appreciate it if anyone could give it a quick glimpse to see if it meets quality standards and is generally correct since I am not a lawyer. Ornov Ganguly TALK 00:46, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

1852 Georgia (U.S.) Supreme Court decision help

Greetings! I'm not sure if this is an appropriate place to ask, but I have no legal background and I find appeals cases especially confounding bc they're about law and process not facts etc. Anyway, I would like to briefly summarize the decision in Bibb Co. Inferior Court v. Orrs for User:Jengod/Slavetraderbio (to be published as A. J. Orr and D. W. Orr or similar). Is there anyone here with a background in American law who can take a look and tell me what the practical outcome was? I really can't figure out if they were going to get money or not. I'm interested for two reasons: (1) D. W. Orr was on a county grand jury a couple of times, and (2) they were slave traders and they may well have accepted these jury payment coupons in exchange for a slave but then were unable to turn it into some other form of money. If this is the wrong place to ask, I would love pointers to any other resource that might be helpful, either within Wikipedia or on the wider web. Thanks in advance. jengod (talk) 21:38, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

The Georgia Supreme Court affirmed the Superior Court order, which directed the justices of the Bibb County Court to pay the Orrs out of the County Treasury. The Court also held that if the Bibb County Court justices refused to pay, the Orrs could make a motion to attach their property as a means of executing the judgment that they won.

Whether the Orrs ever actually got paid the full amount, or whether they settled for some lesser amount, would have to be determined from some other source. I would also note that if you intend to summarize the court decision in the article, you should find a secondary source describing it. In my view and the views of many others here, summarizing a court decision is OR. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:53, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

1. TY so much @Voorts -- very helpful.

2. Plot twist! OK I'll see if I can find other mention of the decision. Hoo boy now I have to learn the secret code of case names! All grist for the mill, I suppose.

Seriously tho, thanks again for translating the legalese. I truly appreciate it. jengod (talk) 22:04, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

The full Bluebook citation for this case would be: Justices of the Inferior Court v. Orr, 12 Ga. 137 (1852). Google Scholar turns up nothing about this case, which is unsurprising. I would try Bibb County newspapers, as this likely would have been big political news in the local area. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Probably unimportant for your purposes, but I forgot to note that the Court also held that the statute of limitations didn't start to run until the inferior court refused to pay the Orrs. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:17, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Excellent. I mostly just do bios and try to set up some general who-what-when-where-why-how boundaries on their exploits, but all the legal shenanigans these guys got into are very valuable to actual Scholars and I know this info will someday slot into an academic paper on, like, "financial instruments of the antebellum south" or "American slave traders and Georgia state law" etc. Appreciate you. Warmly, jengod (talk) 22:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

My pleasure. I've worked on a couple of legal bios recently (Cora Agnes Benneson and Addie Viola Smith). If you come across any interesting legal characters that you would like help with, I'd be happy to collaborate. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Oooh loooove those. If I find anyone notable and cool, I'll definitely flag you. :) jengod (talk) 23:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Too much advice? Potato cannon legality

Surely there must be a rule to prevent articles like this. It's so sloppily written that it could endanger people, legally or physically. Luckily it's so bad that maybe no one would who pay any attention to it. It's like a medical article telling people the dosage of medicine to take, only without any sources. Can it be saved or should it be deleted? WestRiding24 (talk) 07:14, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm getting a strong feeling that it might be original research... —Tom Morris (talk) 13:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Preterintention

Is anyone here familiar here with the legal concept of preterintention or praeterintention? I came across an article on the topic during new page patrol that was so dense it was basically unreadable (currently in draftspace at Draft:Praeterintention). It appears to be a notable concept in the common law systems of various contries, but the draft may need to be rebuilt from the ground up to be suitable for mainsapce. Is anyone able to assist? Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 18:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I've never heard of the concept, but it appears to be a mens rea standard used in some countries. I think it's probably notable, but I agree that that draft is extremely dense and unreadable. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:39, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

My search on Google Books and JSTOR isn't turning up any good English-language sources. I did find a couple uses of the term in Spanish and Italian, but only passing mentions. I suspect that much of the current draft is original research; many of the sources don't even mention the term. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 06:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Bharatiya Nyaya Sanhita#Requested move 15 July 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Bharatiya Nyaya Sanhita#Requested move 15 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Reading Beans 16:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, I’m writing to introduce myself as a subject expert in law! I was referred to join Project Law by WhatamIdoing. I’ve been interested in and have participated in the US legal system since high school as a prosecutor in mock trial.

Since then, I’ve represented myself (pro se) as both plaintiff and defendant in a few cases in municipal and county common pleas courts. I’ve a craft for writing motions, briefs and orders. On this project, you’ll likely find most of my edits to be grammatical or to add citations.

Please note that I have access to hundreds of academic databases and journals, so I’m able to cite work, including works that may be behind a paywall. On that note, if you need access, contact me, and I’ll see what I can do to help! Gobucks821 (talk) 15:01, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Welcome aboard. voorts (talk/contributions) 15:03, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Sources of Singapore law

Sources of Singapore law has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 01:09, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Request to fact check File:Invention assignment agreements by state.svg

Hi everyone, I made a map of U.S. states that restrict employee invention assignment agreements to work related to the employer's business or created using the employer's resources. It is current as of Sept. 2023, when New York became the 11th state to enact such a law. Have any other states passed similar laws since then? Qzekrom (she/her • talk) 07:52, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident#Requested move 16 August 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident#Requested move 16 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 13:15, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

RfC at Talk:Herrenvolk democracy

There is currently a discussion concerning whether or not it is appropriate to display the flag of Israel on this article. Experienced editors are invited to join the discussion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:34, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Northern Trains Limited v Ballington, Wylie and Cooke and Greater Anglia v Baggaley and others

Might an article on this case be forthcoming?

All the best: Rich Farmbrough 18:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC).

This might be of interest to @James500. I presume this will get (or already has) SIGCOV since it seems to be a pretty major decision. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Coverage here. GiantSnowman 18:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

The name of the decision is Northern Trains Limited v Ballington, Wylie and Cooke and Greater Anglia v Baggaley and others. It takes a certain amount of time for law reports, law journal articles and legal treatises to be published. This case is four days old. Is there a law report in The Times? I have not seen one. The most frequent law journals were traditionally usually weekly publications, and some of them are less frequent now. In any event, magistrates courts have traditionally been inferior courts whose decisions do not set precedents or trigger the doctrine of stare decisis. I am not aware of that having changed recently (though I have not been following developments closely for a while). If the decision does not set a precedent, the legal importance might be exactly zero. Quashing 75,000 convictions may be socially important, but the fact that someone used the wrong procedure to prosecute a large number of cases does not necessarily mean that the law has changed, or that it was ever in doubt. 19 newspaper articles come up in Google News on a search for Northern+Trains+Greater+Anglia+Quashed. James500 (talk) 21:07, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I've corrected the name in the header. I read most of the judgement, which I found interesting. It seems there will need to be additional proceedings to declare the remaining cases void, if that is what is to happen. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 19:48, 20 August 2024 (UTC).

William Howard Taft has an RfC

William Howard Taft has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Emiya1980 (talk) 02:47, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Due weight at Talk:Music_Millennium#Millennium_Enterprises,_Inc._v._Millennium_Music,_L.P

An editor is contesting the inclusion of something into an article and they claim that ABA Journal is some "obscure" thing. Is this too tangential/trivial, or is this a significant thing? I would appreciate your input at the discussion. Graywalls (talk) 17:07, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Albrecht von Bernstorff#Requested move 19 August 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Albrecht von Bernstorff#Requested move 19 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

(The only reason I can see for that article being in WikiProject Law is that this diplomat studied legal science, so I've now removed it.) SilverLocust 💬 06:54, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Brown v. Board of Education

Brown v. Board of Education has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 20:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Brazilian investigation into Elon Musk#Requested move 1 September 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Brazilian investigation into Elon Musk#Requested move 1 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Web-julio (talk) 03:05, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Judicial supervision

Wikipedia is in the need of articles about the term "Judicial supervision". I created a layman's disambig page for this, to provide a minimal guidance, but experts must write decent articles at least for the two major very different meanings of the term. --Altenmann >talk 17:31, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

I disagree that an article is needed at this point. I think the page should redirect to the Glossary of French criminal law entry instead of being a disambiguation page because there are no title matches and I don't think the entries there meet WP:DABRELATED or MOS:DABENTRY.

• Our articles on parole, probation, and judicial review do not contain the phrase "judicial supervision".
• Civil procedure in South Africa uses the term twice in the context of Jaftha v Schoeman and Standard Bank v Saunderson, neither of which use the phrase "judicial supervision".
• "judicial supervision of executive acts" links to Philip P. Barbour, a U.S. Supreme Court Justice in the 1800s. The article uses the phrase in an uncited paragraph: "he authored dissents in Kendall v. United States ex rel. Stokes (1838) and Holmes v. Jennison (1840). These two dissents sought to diminish federal authority by supporting Jacksonian political aspirations and opposing restrictions to state sovereignty. Kendall dealt with judicial supervision of executive acts."
• Supreme Court of the Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republic does state that "judicial supervision" was a function of the Court, but this is a start class article and there's no indication that that translation is referring to a proper legal term of art.

voorts (talk/contributions) 17:54, 2 September 2024 (UTC)