Wikipedia talk:Twinkle/Archive Friendly 3

Short tabs reinstated again

I swear, I've not touched my monobook.js file, but the short tab names have reappeared today, uncommanded (and as Ioeth can tell you, I've been a stickler for the standard tabs). Have there been any changes to Friendly that might inadvertently have caused this to happen? SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:36, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Nope, nothing at all has changed. Have you switched browsers or anything? Ioeth _{(talk contribs friendly)} 20:57, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

No, but it also seemed to correct itself this morning (go figure). SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:44, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Page Patrolling

Friendly's Tag feature now has the option to automatically mark a new page as patrolled while you're tagging it! This is now the default behavior, but it can be disabled by setting the markTaggedPagesAsPatrolled configuration parameter in your FriendlyConfig to false. Let me know if you have any questions about this new feature! Ioeth _{(talk contribs friendly)} 17:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Welc-anon

I recently made a modification to {{welc-anon}} to put the signature inside the box, but despite the template's working when the template is placed manually, Friendly seems to not be able to catch that. The template's own documentation indicates that the template should be substed like so: {{subst:Welc-anon||~~~~}}. Is it possible for Friendly to somehow pick up on this, or is this not possible for Friendly to do? SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:03, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Nope, Friendly doesn't automatically recognize the format that templates expect their parameters. Even though you added the signature to it, the format of the template parameters doesn't match any other templates, and I really hate programming for special cases. In my opinion, the best thing to do would be to just include four tildes inside the template box itself rather than making it a parameter. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 14:10, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Sharedip tab

The {{sharedipusmilitary}} option doesn't appear to work properly. The template requires an organization name and, at least for me, the organization text box is greyed out. -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 20:11, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Should be fixed now. Clear your cache and refresh (CTRL + F5) and you should be all set up! Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 17:06, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

over-tagging

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Resolved

 – If you have a problem with the way an editor is using the tool, take it up with the editor. The tool itself is not to blame, anymore than Twinkle would be to blame for someone miscategorizing an edit as vandalism or a car is to blame if someone runs a red light and kills someone else. This isn't the place for such gripping. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 07:14, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Lately, a lot of folks who use this tool are adding three to five or even more tags to articles that are about five seconds old. This seems, well, pointless and rude. It would be great if the tool could be modified to support {{articleissues}} so that a two line stub doesn't end up with five tags on it. I realize this is a problem with the users rather than the tool itself, but convincing every one of them not to do this seems like a big, nearly impossible job. At the very least, a note on the intro page about the usefulness of adding multiple tags to short stubs would at least be something. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:45, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

This tool does support article issues. It comes up I believe if four or more compatible tags are included. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:53, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

• I don't actually use it myself, so I was not aware of that. Could we bump that number down to three and maybe add something to the intro page? Beeblebrox (talk) 22:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I asked that myself before and was told no. Will let the script writers reply as to whether its might be reconsidered. By default this is on for new installations (see Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Friendly#groupByDefault which is the article issues configuration.) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:15, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

You're kidding me? I'm spending 2 hours researching an article, including references, then I go to post it, forget to include the references, try to post them, there's some glich in saving the page, I assume it's gone through, without really paying attention, then today find out what happened. The very second I was posting the references, someone armed with "friendly" was tagging the article as "unreferenced?'

How about a note stating the obvious of all obvious things: don't interfere with an editor posting their references in order to tag an article as unreferenced the very some second the article was created?

Why is speed necessary for tasks that require some thinking and looking (like look at the time the article was created)? It's not needed for tasks that require thinking. Be able to add even one tag in less time than it takes you to consider it, much less being able to add 3 or 4 in that time, is not friendly. It's hostile. --KP Botany (talk) 12:31, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I had the article deleted. Please change the name. There is nothing "friendly" about this speed-tagging. --KP Botany (talk) 19:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

The tool is called "Friendly" because it is non-confrontational, in that it doesn't deal with vandalism or user warnings, thus only dealing with comparatively friendly matters. Additionally, if you're that concerned about edit conflicts, you are more than welcome to sandbox your work in your userspace until you are ready to splice it in. SchuminWeb (Talk) 19:36, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I did use my userspace, but since your "friendly" user tagged the damn article in the same second I posted it, that didn't make one bit of difference. But it doesn't matter now, because the encyclopedia no longer has an article about one of the world's leading skin cancer researchers, because your friendly is designed to make it so editors can interfere in real time almost with the creation of articles. --KP Botany (talk) 19:40, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Then feel free to revert. SchuminWeb (Talk) 20:14, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I reverted, but another "friendly" user came by, didn't bother to see that I'm working on the article, that I'm an established editor who mostly spends time referencing articles, and tagged the article "unreferenced" using your "friendly." Sorry, but your tags added nothing to the article. They did, however, interfere with creating the article. There is nothing more to revert--the article has been deleted. Maybe you can create something "friendly" that will write the article or recover my references that were lost while one of your current "friendly" users was tagging it "unrefernced" the same second I had posted it. --KP Botany (talk) 20:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Why don't you create the article in a user subpage first, then it won't get tagged or deleted. And references don't get "lost" even if there is an edit conflict. – ukexpat (talk) 20:37, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I did create it in user subspace, that's how I work. And, yes, the references were NOT posted, and no edit conflict showed, the page just blipped funny, I thought they were posted, then I thought I was editing the other page, and didn't even see in the history, the edit of the person tagging my fucking article the very minute it was created, but today, that edit comes up in the history, but my references don't. So, tell me, they can't get lost? When they did?

But it no longer matters, you see, because, to help you people trying to tag articles before they're even written I've just had the article deleted. So, there, no tags, no article, no worry about references. That way, the people who do not create articles, but do run around and try to tag articles the very second they're created, don't have to worry about it anymore.

See, that's much much better than posting an unreferenced tag the same minute an article is created: deleting the article on a 100% noteworthy subject.

Any script that gives editors the opportunity to act without actually reading the article, without actually thinking, is just a bot in disguise and never should be used. And that's what the editor who tagged my article did, he tagged it without reading, and I know this, because I saw that I had left part off the second I posted it, copied and pasted from my sandbox, and went back to paste it immediately. It was mere seconds. So, he/she didn't read the article, didn't check the edit history, didn't do any of the things human beings are supposed to do but bots can't.

I haven't had a single article deleted for notability, and this one never could have been either. She's the found of a major field in cancer research, heads one of the world's leading cancer research centers, serves on prestigious boards, and has authored hundreds of articles. However, all of that information was also in the remainder of the article I was trying to post, but could not because someone was so trigger happy to tag the article, they could not wait for it to be a minute old. Your script has not improved Wikipedia by arming people in a way that allows them to stop thinking while using it.--KP Botany (talk) 20:51, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Anyway, it NO longer matters. The article has been deleted. You don't have to worry about tagging it anymore. And I won't waste your time by trying to write the article while your editors are busily armed with devices to superspeed tagging the article and interfering with the writing. You get to keep that one just where you want it: not on Wikipedia. --KP Botany (talk) 20:53, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh please, enough of the wikidrama. Create it again and stick an {{under construction}} or {{in use}} tag on it while you work on it. – ukexpat (talk) 21:41, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm convinced that at this point he simply has an axe to grind, and so there's no point even trying to form an argument about it, especially with his little if-I-can't-have-it-then-no-one-will performance there. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:51, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, of course I have an axe to grind. That was entirely my point in posting this. Back off tagging articles the very second they are written. At best you accomplish nothing. At worst you interfere with the editing process. Friendly is not friendly: it's a pointless tool filling a need that isn't there: emergency real-time split-second unreferenced tagging of articles. The under construction tag was pointless, because it too would have taken another second to post, but that second was occupied by the friendly tool. Back off tagging articles WHILE they are being CREATED. It serves no purpose other than to interfere with the editing process, which is precisely what you did: you blocked creation of an article. The tag and tool is worthless without the article. --KP Botany (talk) 04:38, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

• While I don't care for the tone of this user's remarks at all, I think it is another indicator that users of this tool are causing a lot of frustration without really helping the project. The problem, as I stated at the top of the section, is that more education is needed. You don't blame the hammer when the house falls down, you blame the carpenter for not knowing what he was doing. I'm not proposing any rules or anything, just something on the project page that strongly emphasizes that you should consider the length and age of an article before adding multiple tags to it, and strongly suggests using {{articleissues}} if you feel you must add so many tags. That's what talk pages are for after all. Beeblebrox (talk) 05:54, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Here we go again. I think it's the new pages patrol frenzy. The under construction tag doesn't work. I added one to an article that someone was tagging and less than an hour later someone added an "unreferenced" tag right below it.[1]

I am sorry that no one on Wikipedia takes seriously the hostility created by editors with their frenzied race to tag/tag/tag without reading a word of what is written.

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. That means articles must be created. Tagging is not creating articles. Tagging is NOT friendly. And friendly is NOT being used in a friendly manner. --KP Botany (talk) 11:37, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

If you don't like it, then work on the articles in your userspace and then move them into mainspace when they're fully developed. Easy enough to me. SchuminWeb (Talk) 15:49, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

You seem to be missing the point that you don't own articles that you create here. Once they are created anyone can edit them. Also, tagging with issues tags is not a slight to your abilities or scholarship, it is just an alert to the WP community that the article needs references. It really is as simple as that. – ukexpat (talk) 16:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

• regardless, I have gone ahead and added a sub-section from WP:TEMP that cautions about tagging as opposed to improving the article. Perhaps that will help a little with new users of this tool. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

• OK now that's been reverted, what is the problem exactly? It's just a neutrally worded caution against over tagging, taken straight from the main template page, I think it does have consensus behind it, as templates are supposed to be used in this manner, whether applied manually or with tools. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:31, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I think that's overreacting after someone got his feelings hurt when "his" article got tagged. I think we can safely take no action and everything will be fine. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:29, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

• Look a little closer, I started this thread before he ever came along. I don't care about KP Botany and his tirade against friendly, but I do care that this tool is quite often being used in a way that is unhelpful and irritating. Everything is not fine, in my opinion, and I don't see the harm in adding what is a very mild caution against adding tags when the actual problem could be solved in the same amount of time. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:34, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Wow, SchuminWeb, talk about overreacting after someone got his feelings hurt when his article bot got tagged criticized. You're really trying to belittle me personally on this--cut it out, it's incredibly unfriendly of you.

The point is, and remains, there was no need whatsoever to tag an article within seconds of its creation, particularly an article by an established editor, and particularly when the edit interfered directly with doing what the tag claimed to have wanted. It seems as if this is about tagging, not about improving Wikipedia. You don't own the articles any more than I do. And wasting editors time while they are creating good articles for Wikipedia by interfering with the process remains an issue no matter how many ways you find to belittle me.

This tool is indeed being used in a way that will send good editors away from Wikipedia. A tool that gives careless editors that opportunity is not a valuable tool. And, yes, in spite of his additional insults, Beeblebrox is correct, a caution against wasting time is useful. --KP Botany (talk) 01:28, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

• When three other "established" editors are suggesting you are acting like a jerk, it may be time to consider the possibility that you are acting like a jerk. Beeblebrox (talk) 06:20, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

One really spectacular way to act like a jerk is to be a dick by throwing lame essays at editors and then claim the high ground of "established" editors.

Your tool bites the big one, because it provides the ability to do something that is pointless, and its name is an insult to those at the receiving end of its irresponsible use, and you either won't or can't do anything considerate about it and never intended to.

You don't get a free ride to irresponsible creation and use of bots because you're an established editor, so don't use that as a weapon. It's even lamer than throwing silly, poorly written, overly used essays at other editors. --KP Botany (talk) 06:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Add protection tags to "tag" function for admins?

Would it be possible to add the various protection tags to the "tag" tab for admins? I'm sure it would make many admins' lives a tad easier. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:40, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Twinkle already adds the protection templates to pages when protecting them in twinkleprotect.js. Is there a good reason that I should pretty-much duplicate the feature in Friendly just for adding those templates? Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 16:48, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Protect against edit pseudo-conflicts

When tagging articles, is it possible to detect whether the current revision of the article matches the revision that was loaded by the browser, and if not, alert the user about the conflict? Several times while patrolling new pages I've slapped a maintenance tag on an article that was, in the meantime, tagged for speedy deletion, which is not helpful. TotientDragooned (talk) 01:09, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Moved the page

Moved the page for Friendly to Wikipedia:Friendly. The way I see it, it's twofold. First of all, the Wikipedia preferences pane calls this tool a "gadget". Secondly, our sister-tool Twinkle is directly under the Wikipedia namespace, and I'm surprised no one else did this a long time ago. SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:46, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Schumin! I was thinking about doing this, but as I'm lazy I hadn't gotten around to it. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 16:49, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Another suggestion: pre-check existing tags

When clicking "tags," could existing tags on the page be pre-checked in the dialog box? Unchecking them would then remove them from the page. This way, it is easy to eg. replace {{unreferenced}} with {{refimprove}}, or to consolidate tags to help with the overtagging mentioned above. TotientDragooned (talk) 08:20, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to agree on that one. This way, not only can we tag using the tag tab, but we can remove supported tags as well. That would be really handy. SchuminWeb (Talk) 13:35, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I believe this one has been suggested before and continue to hope a way can be found to do it. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 06:50, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Fansite tag

First, thanks for those responsible for this tool - it makes editing a breeze.

This is kind of minor but I don't where else to post it. When clicking tag on an article page, there's the "fansite" tag. In Friendly it says: "article resembles a fansite; has excessive trivia, irrelevant praise, criticism, lists, or collections of links", but if you go to the link provided in the tag, it's more about cruft related to fiction..which I think is quite different than what one would expect when laying this tag down. Thanks. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 23:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I took a look at Friendly's description of the tag, WP:FAN, and {{Fansite}}, and it looks like the main problem as you have identified is with the wording in Friendly's tag function. I went in and modified the wording for the description to more closely match the tag. Thus I shortened it to just "article resembles a fansite". Does that address your concern? SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:28, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Yes it is an improvement.

I suppose what I would really like is a tag/essay to match the original description of fansite in friendly ("article resembles a fansite; has excessive trivia, irrelevant praise, criticism, lists, or collections of links"), but that's obivously beyond the scope of this project. Thanks! --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 13:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

friendlyclock!

Friendly now has a handy UTC clock that can also be used to purge the current page. Don't worry, you can disable it if you don't like it! Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 16:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

So this has the same functionality as the clock gadget? I have that enabled, so I now have 2 clocks! Weird thing is, when I disable the Gadget clock, Friendly clock disappears too. How does one disable Friendly clock please? Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 17:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Oops I see it in the config section of the project page. – ukexpat (talk) 17:29, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Gah. This arrived with no explanation, it's annoying, it's flickery, it makes the statusbar flash continuously between two states (one of which is a link to User:IHelpWhenICan). Please turn this off! And if you absolutely must have it, then make the click link go to somewhere that shows it was from the Friendly Gadget so it's not a guessing game of (a) realising it's a gadget and (b), going through all the gadgets one-by-one disabling them. Appreciations. —Sladen (talk) 21:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

There is a configuration parameter available to disable the clock. Please see Wikipedia:FRIENDLY#Configuration where I posted the details immediately after the feature was made available. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 21:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

The point I was (attempting) to make, is that there is no way to know that the clock is coming from Friendly. If the Clock linked directly to instructions for disabling it, that would be another matter. —Sladen (talk) 22:05, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I know what point you are trying to make, but I posted this message to the talk page as soon as the feature was added and also added the information about it to WP:FRIENDLY with this edit. Friendly, Twinkle, FurMe, etc, are all very complex JavaScript tools that have scopes so encompassing that they could be considered robust applications, and I would recommend that everyone that uses these types of tools add the relevant documentation and talk pages to their watchlists to stay abreast of the latest changes. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 22:15, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

One can only find Wikipedia talk:Friendly if one knows it was Friendly in the first place—after all the clock did not appear when (I) first enabled Friendly a while ago, so why would (I) associate the appearing clock with Friendly instead of Twinkle instead of MediaWiki core. Perhaps an instruction along the lines of "Please also Watch the Wikipedia talk:Friendly page for notifications of updates" could be added to the Preferences→Gadgets tab. The feature (or any way to disable it) was not discoverable and a howto here for people lucky enough to find it, does not solve that. —Sladen (talk) 22:29, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Cool...I wondered what kind of clock you meant when you said it in your edit summary. Since its nice and small and tidy, unlike the one in Gadgets, I've switched to using just it :) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:08, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I arrived here trying to figure out why a clock started appearing. I don't like this change at all. Seem like something that's better to opt in for rather than having by default. Jason Quinn (talk) 23:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I would recommend adding a "*" updated with a link to this page next to the clock or having the gadget description (in preferences>gadgets) include a notice, as it took me a while as well to figure out where the clock came from. Only when I started turning off gadgets did I find this (I used the preferences>gadgets option before). And that was after I searched through the recent changes to the mediawiki namespace... G.A.S^talk 06:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

It also took me some time to determine that the clock came from Friendly. I question why Friendly needs this at all when there is a gadget already on the preferences menu that does the exact same thing. But go fig, I suppose. SchuminWeb (Talk) 10:49, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I think a little red text next to the clock that says "NEW!" and links to WP:FRIENDLY, which should have an announcement and instructions on how to disable. Frankly I'd rather have one gadget than two. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 13:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

←I've added information about the clock to the gadget description page now. In retrospect, I probably should have done this in the first place, but didn't think of it. Sorry for the inconvenience, everyone. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 14:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I also just added more information about the clock in tooltips (hover over it with your mouse) and a little red question mark next to the clock which I will leave there for the next week or so. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 15:28, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Excellent, now more editors actually have a hope of figuring out what to try disabling... —Sladen (talk) 17:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I copied the default configuration to my monobook.js, set enableClock=false, saved and bypassed the cache, but I still see two clocks. I added Friendly as a preferences gadget, not directly in monobook.js. --Apoc2400 (talk) 16:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

As it says in the gadget description, if you want to customize the way Friendly works with the FriendlyConfig parameters, you have to install it into your monobook.js file and not have it installed as a gadget. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 18:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

This is a lot of arse isn't it? Why am I wasting my time having to read instruction books to work out how to go back to one clock - at the moment it seems I can have two or none. Why do I want to fuck around with monobook.js to fix this? Can someone explain - point by point, how I go back to having the single big clock I had. --Cameron Scott (talk) 19:47, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

The so called "friendlyclock" should be disabled when running as a gadget, as there is allready an utc clock gadget available. _→AzaToth 03:13, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I took the liberty in MediaWiki:Gadget-Friendly.js to disable the clock. _→AzaToth 03:18, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I wish you hadn't, because the friendly clock is neater than the gadget clock. I don't see why the need to remove it? If you've got friendly running, why not just not run the gadget clock? --Deadly∀ssassin 05:46, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Because I don't want to - once again, how do I turn it off and keep my old clock. At the moment, trying to turn this shit off removes both clocks. How do I turn this off and get just my old clock back? --Cameron Scott (talk) 11:44, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you AzaToth. --Apoc2400 (talk) 12:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

If you are using friendly in your monobook.js then add this

FriendlyConfig = {
	enableClock			:	false,
};

to your monobook.js and friendlyclock will be disable. Powergate92Talk 17:24, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I added that, to disable the clock, but it did not work. Suggestions? Cirt (talk) 14:04, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Your capitalization is not correct. Please refer to WP:FRIENDLY#Default Configuration..."enableclock" should be "enableClock". Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 14:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

And then make sure you clear your browser cache. – ukexpat (talk) 14:08, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! Cirt (talk) 15:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Typo in "tags" text

The "tag" entry for Template:Unencyclopedic, a cleanup template, is mistakenly described as something a good deal more abrupt than it really is. The erroneous text:

• "{{unencyclopedic}}: article is unencyclopedic and should be deleted"

It really ought to read something like:

• "{{unencyclopedic}}: article contains unencyclopedic material"

Again, this is not a deletion template, or even a valid rational for deletion when taken on its own. Hopefully this is easy to fix. MrZaius^talk 13:59, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Done. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 14:22, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Reqinfobox

I think Template:Reqinfobox would be a great addition to the tag page. After adding tags with FRIENDLY, I often have to add Reqinfobox manually. --Marcus Brute (talk) 16:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Friendly's tags are primary article tags. Reqinfobox is an article talk page tag. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:07, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

friendlytalkback

Friendly now has a new tab on user talk pages marked "tb" that will allow you to easily add a talkback template. See WP:FRIENDLY for updated documentation and new configuration parameters. Enjoy! Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 19:10, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, the recent additions are really nice. –Capricorn42 (talk) 14:53, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

No external links tag?

I can't find any tag in Friendly for dealing with problems with external links, although there's a tag for dealing with internal links. I think the external links/linkfarm tag would be a good addition to this program. Themfromspace (talk) 11:46, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Done. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 14:08, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Hiccup

Something went really, really wrong here. Any idea what? --Dynaflow babble 14:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Not really. I reverted the article to the version that you tagged, and then tagged it myself to see what would happen. Everything seemed to work normally, so I reverted the article back to your last revision. Looks like it might have just been a hiccup. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 15:17, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Just wanted to make sure. --Dynaflow babble 15:19, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Deleted template

{{future awards show}} has been deleted, but is still available in Friendly. There may be other "future" templates in similar situations as I believe a number have been deleted recently. Might merit checking over them. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 23:23, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Future awards show removed. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:18, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

The templates deleted in this TfD should all be removed. They include:

• {{future article}}
• {{Future zoo exhibit}}
• {{Future dam}}
• {{Future music festival}}
• {{Future webcomic}}
• {{Future UK radio station}}

Of course there may be more that are still available. :-) —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 10:54, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know...the ones in that TfD have been removed now. Please let me know if you see any more tags in Friendly that have been deleted. Thanks! Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 15:21, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Synthesis tag

Can we add the synthesis tag? It's often more precise than the oft-misunderstood originalresearch tag. THF (talk) 13:22, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Done! Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 15:24, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

"wel" and "tag" scrolling bug in Opera

Hello. In the latest stable version of Opera 9.63 and latest beta 10.0 it is impossible to scroll the contents of the windows that appears when you click the "wel" and "tag" tab. When I try to scroll it the scrollbar constantly jumps to the top. I have it installed as a gadget. Enabling the JavaScript Standard Library or the Compatibility function didn't help. NowotnyPL (talk) 19:56, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Do you have the same problem with Twinkle functionality such as the "csd" tab? Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 23:35, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Twinkle has the same problem. NowotnyPL (talk) 08:18, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Template:Navbox show/hide feature (collapsing)

I found out that when Friendly is enabled for my account (via preferences>gadgets), all navbox based templates can not be collapsed. Also, since some time, tagging tab of Friendly is not showing for me... maybe some recent code change which causes all this?--Kozuch (talk) 13:41, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

No, nothing has changed in Friendly or Twinkle lately that would have caused this. Have you installed any other gadgets or monobook.js scripts lately? Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 15:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Well lately for me could go back to December or even little earlier probably... I might have enabled some more gadgets at that time too. However, I tested it today and found the connection between Friendly and my navbox issue. I can list all my enabled gadgets if it helps...--Kozuch (talk) 15:59, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

It might help. Please also tell me what browser (name/version) you're using. Thanks! Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 16:00, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Help request

Hi,

my Friendly stopped working a while ago, don't know why or when, don't see why it shouldn't be working. Anyone have any suggestions what might be the problem? I don't see any Friendly gadget function at all. I'm using Firefox.

See User:Stevenfruitsmaak/monobook.js.

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:03, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Everything looks fine to me; I imported your monobook file and I was seeing the functionality. Do you have any gadgets installed in your preferences? Have you tried clearing your cache (CTRL + F5)? Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 18:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Friendly Clock is still messing things up

Ever since I installed the disableFriendlyClock feature in my monobook, it has caused my "Edit section 0" ability and the existing UTC clock to disappear. Today I reverted the edit where I added the disableFriendlyClock, and my Editsection0 and old UTC clock came back. But now I have the Friendly clock again. I am using javascript versions of EditSection0 and UTC clock, rather than enabling it in gadgets. If I switch to gadgets and then disable the friendly clock, will everything work correctly? Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

When you inserted the config variable to disable Friendly's clock, you introduced a couple of bugs into your monobook.js file that screwed up the rest of your scripts. In this edit, you added a line reading enableClock : false, to the end of your FriendlyConfig. This in itself is not a problem, but you did not have correct syntax. In a JavaScript hash (which is what FriendlyConfig is), you need to have a comma at the end of every line except for the last. As you can clearly see in the diff, you did not add a comman to the line above enableClock, and you left a comma at the end of the enableClock line. Please have another look at Wikipedia:FRIENDLY#Configuration for the specifics of how you set up FriendlyConfig and let me know if you have any questions or need any help getting it sorted out. Cheers! Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 14:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. I figured it out by installing each component individually, without the clock script. Regards, Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Blank lines

Friendly seems to have a nasty habit of inserting blank lines before Talkback templates (User talk:John Broughton, User talk:Otourly), and possibly in other places too. This is undoubtedly bad practice. This, that and the other _[talk] 10:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Which blank lines in particular are you concerned about? Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 14:35, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the slow reply. An example:

... 06:45, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


== User-defined maintenance templates in "tag" tab ==

Friendly now supports a list of user-definable templates in the "tag" tab. It is very similar to the custom welcome templates functionality that was implemented a while ago. See [[WP:FRIENDLY#customTagList]] for details!  [[User:Ioeth|Ioeth]] <small>([[User_talk:Ioeth|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Ioeth|contribs]] [[WP:TW|twinkle]] [[WP:FRIEND|friendly]])</small> 16:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
== Chrome ==

I noticed that I've lost my Friendly capabilities when using Google's Chrome browser. This is a new development. Anyone else experiencing this issue? -- <b>[[User:Levine2112|<span style="color:#996600;font-family:times new roman,times,serif;">Levine2112</span>]]</b> [[User talk:Levine2112|<sup style="color:#774400;font-size:x-small;padding:1px;border:1px #996600 dotted;background-color:#FFFF99">discuss</sup>]] 05:53, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
:Have you made any recent changes to your monobook.js file?  Added any new gadgets?  Upgraded to a new version of Chrome?  Seen any JavaScript errors?  [[User:Ioeth|Ioeth]] <small>([[User_talk:Ioeth|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Ioeth|contribs]] [[WP:TW|twinkle]] [[WP:FRIEND|friendly]])</small> 15:40, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
:: None of the above. At least nothing that I can think of. What do you mean by "new gadgets"? Chrome, I think updates on it's own. I have also recently noticed some other new bugs with Chrome apart from Wikipedia. Some website display errors, et cetera. It's too bad because I really like how swifty Chrome loads on my machine as opposed to Firefox and IE, both of which seem to take 30 seconds just to start up on my computer. I don't know - the more I write here, the more I think the problem may be with my computer and less with FRIENDLY. -- <b>[[User:Levine2112|<span style="color:#996600;font-family:times new roman,times,serif;">Levine2112</span>]]</b> [[User talk:Levine2112|<sup style="color:#774400;font-size:x-small;padding:1px;border:1px #996600 dotted;background-color:#FFFF99">discuss</sup>]] 07:50, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
== Talkback ==

{{talkback|This, that and the other|"Jump to" accessibility links}}
[[User:This, that and the other|This, that and the other]] ...

There should not be two blank lines added above "== Talkback ==". This, that and the other _[talk] 09:33, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I think I've got that fixed for you. Let me know if you notice anything else! Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 13:56, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Friendly not displaying "complete" when welcoming

Friendly appears to not be displaying that welcomings are complete when it's adding them. It goes through all the other steps just fine, but then hangs before giving the user the "all clear" that the welcome message has indeed applied successfully. A quick check of my contributions confirms that yes, the welcome messages are indeed being posted, but like I said, no script confirmation. Is this an easy fix? SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Nope! It's not a problem with Friendly, but rather with the morebits.js library. That library is what will actually display the "complete" message after it successfully performs a post command. If, for whatever reason, it gets hung up or a response doesn't come back from the server, it won't display the message. Your change will most likely have gone in because the request is almost always successfully sent to and processed by the server. This happens to everyone on occasion, I think, and when it happens to me I usually just refresh the page when I notice it's taking forever. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 17:18, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick reply and your explanation about how this system works, and how it's related to a script that originated with Twinkle. That does beg the question, though - if it's morebits.js that's causing it, which is common to Friendly and Twinkle, why is it that I am getting the all-clear when I issue warnings with TW but not when I'm using Friendly? SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:30, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I say that, and then I got an all-clear on a welcome. Okay! SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:35, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

It's weird like that! I do more warnings than welcomes, and I see it more often with that function, but it's possible that it will happen anywhere any of these scripts use morebits.js to do a post. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 13:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion to tag sections

Might it be possible to add a drop-down box to Friendly's "tag" menu so one could tag a section or subsection of an article quickly? Just a thought. Thanks for making such a useful script! —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 03:40, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Do you think I should add it to the tag tab or would it be better to add a [tag] link next to the [edit] link on the section. The reason I ask is because if I add it to the main "tag" tab function, I've then got to come up with a way to detect sections and provide the user a mechanism for selecting which one they would like to add the tag to, and then adjust the script so that when a section is selected, only section tags are displayed. What do you think? Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 17:01, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Hm. Well I'd actually figured adding it to the tag tab would be easier to program. Maybe next to each edit link would be easier/work better? —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 01:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Though really, here's what I see. It shouldn't be too much more difficult (programatically or computationally) to add a drop-down menu (like in the XfD menu for TW) populated with the list of sections than putting individual links at each section next to the "edit" link. I think you could just grab all spans with class editsection and either parse out the section name from the title argument of the anchor following that, or from name in the anchor in the previous paragraph. Then just insert the desired whatever in the next paragraph, or immediately prior to the next paragraph. I think that would be it, though it's been awhile since I've played with the DOM so I could be dead wrong. :-) —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 04:55, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I definitely support this idea. This will make tagging individual sections with friendly possible.Smallman12q (talk) 01:22, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Unbalanced tag?

Thanks for being so quick on the synthesis tag. As long as I have a wishlist, how about an unbalanced tag? That's often more precise than "toofewopinions" or "npov."

Great program, by the way. THF (talk) 17:35, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Also "cleanup-references" as more precise than "cleanup," as long as I'm thinking of tags I use. THF (talk) 17:40, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

remove tag option

{{totally-disputed}} has been deleted, so it should not be one of the options.--Cerejota (talk) 23:54, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I checked the TFD, and it's indeed deleted, and so I've removed the option from here. SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:50, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Broken?

Is Friendly broken this morning, or is it just me? I just tried to do a welcome template. The script opening the extra window, and hung up after

User talk page modification: data loaded...

Info: Will add the welcome template to the top of the user's talk page.

Info: Will create a new heading for the welcome

Info: Will substitute the {{WelcomeMenu}} welcome template

Info: Will add your username to the template

Then I tried to tag an article, and same situation -- it hung up after

Article modification: data loaded...

Info: Checking for preexisting tags on the article

Info: Grouping supported tags into {{article issues}}

Honest, I didn't monkey with my monobook. Is it me or is it broken? --Fabrictramp | talk to me 15:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

It's due to a MediaWiki bug from yesterday's update, see Wikipedia:VPT#Twinkle issues for information about that.
Cheers, Amalthea 15:20, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the link and the lightening fast reply!--Fabrictramp | talk to me 15:21, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Should be all back to normal now that rev:47457 is live. Cheers, Amalthea 19:29, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Hooray!--Fabrictramp | talk to me 19:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, for me, Friendly does not seem to be broken, however, the clock is; as well as the default clock. The clock should be displaying 19:05, but instead is showing 00:05. If any other wikipedians from NY are experiencing the same problem, or if your have any feedback, please reply on my talk page. Thanks. Montgomery' 39 (talk) 00:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Help!

Friendly isn't working with me. I have IE, and I can't see any Friendly features. Raiku Lucifer Samiyaza 21:21, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Same here: Friendly is based on Twinkle, so it too is only working on the same types of browsers. --Amalthea 21:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Typo

Friendly recently generated this edit summary: "User talk:Artemax‎ (diff; hist) . . (+6,558) . . Mrzaius (Talk | contribs) (Added welcome template to user talk page. using Friendly)" -- Note the excess period. Hopefully this would be trivial to fix, but I'm assuming it's protected. MrZaius^talk 14:03, 24 February 2009 (UTC) PS: If it helps any, it was {{welcomeg}} that I added

Inuse

Could tagging with {{inuse}} be changed from adding {{inuse}} to adding {{inuse|time=~~~~~}}? The template has recently been changed, and the "time" parameter with 5 tildes will update the automatic tagging. Thanks! -Drilnoth (talk) 21:46, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Seems like a good change, but I am not good enough with Javascript to make it happen. Perhaps Ioeth or Amalthea might be able to implement this? SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:40, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

FYI

Template:Welcomeunclesam has been deleted... —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 08:29, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Wow, what a shame. I used that one for the IPs I felt made very strong contributions (as opposed to the spammers and vandals I normally deal with). Looking over the debate it seemed to be a keeper; perhaps its one for a DRV. Themfromspace (talk) 08:45, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Already done. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 20:18, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Wishlist

I've been using Friendly for a few days now and find that it is extraordinarily useful. However, I have a few suggestions/comments that would make it, in my opinion, even better, if they seem appropriate and someone has the time and knowledge to implement them.

1. If you click to add a tag to an article and the article already has that tag, the tag on the current article is instead removed (would allow for easy replacement of things, like updating {{nofootnotes}} to {{morefootnotes}}).
2. When you tag an article, Friendly automatically adds the {{orphan}}, {{uncategorized}}, and {{nofootnotes}}, tags if appropriate.
3. The "Submit query" button on the tagging menu is always visible, even if you scroll the menu.
4. {{nofootnotes}} and {{morefootnotes}} be placed in the first of any of the following sections, rather than at the top of the article: External links, notes, sources, or references, or at the end of the article.
5. The tagging menu is just sorted by name, without the different sections (I have trouble remembering which tag is in which section, personally).
6. Allow you to specify the parameters on templates like {{notability}}, so that you can specify it as not meeting the notability guideline for biographies, businesses, etc., rather than just the GNG.
7. Make it possible to categorize custom templates under maintenance, problem, or notice, if they continue to be kept.
8. Make Friendly help with article assessment. Right now, the only automated way to assess articles is using AWB, but some people aren't all that interested in using that program, so a method using this would help. It would probably be quite a lot of work, though, so I'm not sure if it's feasible.
9. Switch the default for markWelcomesAsMinor to "false", per WP:WC's guidelines on the topic... welcoming a user shouldn't generally be considered minor.

Thanks for your consideration of these options. -Drilnoth (talk) 18:30, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

You can specify the parameters on notability. When you checkmark notability, it changes to a drop down and you can specify the problem area.--Fabrictramp | talk to me 20:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh; thanks. I guess I hadn't noticed that before. -Drilnoth (talk) 21:19, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

And... that's because I actually haven't tagged anything with {{notability}} using Friendly! My bad; I'd just assumed that it worked like the other ones. -Drilnoth (talk) 21:19, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Regarding number two, I would be wary of Friendly performing any task automatically, because there are a number of instances where I would not want those tags placed. SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:45, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Good point... maybe there could be a checkbox (similar to what there is for {{articleissues}} use now), and then (if it's checked), another box would briefly pop up listing what tags would be auto-placed? -–Drilnoth (T • C) 02:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Orphan

The {{orphan}} tag isn't collapsed into {{articleissues}}, even when other tags are. I don't know if this is an error in the JavaScript or on purpose, but I thought I'd let you know so that it could be fixed if it is accidental. –Drilnoth (T • C) 23:58, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

W-screen Error?

Please take a look at this edit where I used {{W-screen}}. At the bottom, it put "MYUSERNAME good luck, and have fun". I think it should have either put no name or the username of the user I was welcoming, no? Thanks. shirulashem (talk) 00:29, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Not a Friendly problem, but rather a template problem, and it appears I've fixed it. SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:20, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

"tag" feature placing tags in the wrong place.

Just a note: Currently Friendly places maintenance tags above hatnotes, this contradicts Wikipedia:Hatnote placement. (Specific recent case: [2]) -- OlEnglish ^(Talk) 22:54, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Valid point, but the question now becomes, is there a way to code this to make it so? SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:01, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

It can certainly be coded to place it after the hatnote templates (i.e. probably all of Category:Disambiguation and redirection templates). The only question is who has enough time to do it. :) --Amalthea 11:35, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Well I would if I knew how.. I'm not just being lazy, I need to learn how to code. :) -- OlEnglish ^(Talk) 19:30, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Template:Talkback

Here's an update regarding {{Talkback}}: The tp=1 parameter is deprecated. The template now auto-detects to which namespace it should link. When no namespace is given, it automatically links to User talk:. In all other cases, the full link to the talk page should be given (this has not changed). Also added is the ts=~~~~~ parameter, which adds a timestamp to the message. — Edokter • Talk • 22:10, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for heeding the brand new {{Friendly standard installation}} request. :)
I had already changed the first part, but adding an option for the timestamp still needs doing.
Cheers, Amalthea 22:20, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah... had I known it was you. :) — Edokter • Talk • 00:24, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Looking through the code, I saw: if( section == '' ) {alert( 'You must specify a section when your message is not on a user talk page' );. The template doesn't require this (anymore). Just thought you'd like to know. — Edokter • Talk • 00:31, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah, and I was wondering why Ioeth had made the section parameter obligatory, I didn't know that it ever was in the template! I'll be changing it right away, thanks. --Amalthea 01:08, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Removing self-welcome lockout?

Is it possible to remove the "You don't need to welcome yourself, do you?" message from the welcome script? I attempted to remove it, but unfortunately, managed to break the script. I have had a number of occasions where I need to test a welcoming template using Friendly, and doing so on my own userpage would normally be the least disruptive way to do so, but unfortunately, it's locked out. I'm sure the intentions of locking that command out on one's own userpage were good (to prevent people from accidentally welcoming themselves instead of their intended target), but it's annoying when one is trying to test things. After all, you can warn yourself in Twinkle, which is actually quite handy for testing, so I'm surprised you can't do it in Friendly. SchuminWeb (Talk) 07:13, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I've changed it so that it asks for confirmation instead. Cheers, Amalthea 12:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Related to this, it might be nice to also enable Friendly's functions when the current page is Wikipedia:Sandbox... just a thought. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 14:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed - it would be very handy to have all of Friendly's functions enabled for the Sandbox. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:14, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Also, thank you for removing the lockout, but can we get rid of the confirmation as well? It's kind of annoying. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't particularly care one way or another, so I don't mind. I don't think editors will mistakenly welcome themselves enough so that this is a problem. But I don't see you've welcomed yourself even once thus far, how could it already be annoying? :)
Regarding the sandbox, I agree that it would be useful to test the full spread of Twinkle and Friendly there, but it's kind of ugly to add this exception throughout the scripts ... --Amalthea 12:07, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

First of all, I finally tested a welcome template on myself to make sure that my transclusions of the Friendly standard install template went in correctly.

Secondly, a belated thank you for removing the prompt box, because I popped it on my own user talk page to have up while I added the template to all the welcomes, and was glad to not have to "OK" myself for that. SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:09, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Watchlist

Every time I welcome a new user with Friendly, their talk page is added to my watchlist. Is there any way to prevent this? GT5162 ^{(我的对话页)} 22:06, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Have a look at the configuration options.
By the way, your monobook.js is currently broken, the Twinkle import is missing its tail. --Amalthea 22:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Notification for templates up for deletion that are part of Friendly?

I was surprised to recently welcome an IP user with Friendly using the welcomeunclesam template to see that it had been deleted through a TFD discussion. While I believe the TFD process was handled correctly, there seems to be a major oversight in that Friendly users were not notified on this talk page of the deletion discussion. After all, that template was part of the standard Friendly installation (I've since removed it from the listing). I for one used it and knew nothing of the TFD until the process had finished and the template was deleted, and no one ever mentioned it on this talk page.

I think that it would seem most appropriate to come up with a way to notify people, such as through a template in the noinclude section, that the template is included in the standard installation of Friendly (and the same could likely go for Twinkle as well), and that as a courtesy, users should also leave a message at this talk page when making major changes to the template or nominating the template for deletion.

What do you think? SchuminWeb (Talk) 06:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

How about a category, something like Category:Templates used by Friendly and Category:Templates used by Twinkle. A bot should be able to handle the rest, right? —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 14:51, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I dunno, not many people review the categories on a template before they tag it for deletion... a noticebox that auto-categorizes sounds like the best idea IMHO. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 18:44, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I've worked up a template at {{Friendly standard installation}}. What do you think? SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:14, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Looks good. I made a couple of tweaks to the wording, added a different image (which you can rv if you don't like ;) ), and then proceeded to make a Twinkle version at {{Twinkle standard installation}}. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 18:05, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I've added {{Friendly standard installation}} to all the welcome templates that are part of the standard Friendly package. That's all I'm doing for tonight, and I encourage others to help out in adding more. So far, I believe that talkback has been tagged, and I've done all the welcome templates. SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:11, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I populated Category:Templates used by Twinkle with some 136 templates a couple of days ago via a series of edits to {{Templatesnotice}}; however, I don't think all of them *are* used by Twinkle, so they need to be gone through and confirmed (and if they aren't, |notwinkle=yes needs to be added to them). There are probably others to be added, as well. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 17:50, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Tmm parameter

Resolved

Could you configure freindly to allow the possibility of w-basic'new tmm parameter that shows newbies to WP:TMM?--Ipatrol (talk) 02:02, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

No, but I took the liberty to configure your Friendly so that it offers {{W-basic|tmm=Yes}}, by adding:

// Configure Friendly to offer W-basic with the tmm parameter set.
if( typeof( FriendlyConfig ) == 'undefined' ) FriendlyConfig = {};
FriendlyConfig.customWelcomeList =
[
  {
    label: '{{W-basic|tmm=yes}}: standard template with link to TMM',
    value: 'W-basic|tmm=yes',
    tooltip: 'This template is similar to {{W-basic}} but adds a link to [[WP:TMM]]. Includes a signature.'
  }
];

Will probably need a cash refresh before it takes effect. Cheers, Amalthea 12:38, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, that's moot now that you removed the tmm parameter again, and you can of course revert your monobook.js. --Amalthea 13:39, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Notability List

Resolved

Can the list of options for notability be expanded to include the Films and Future films notability options? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi AnmaFinotera
I've added {{Notability|Films}}. Will probably require you to do a cache refresh.
Cheers, Amalthea 11:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks! -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 13:36, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Adding the {{catimprove}} Template

Resolved

I'd like the community to consider adding the {{catimprove}} template to the list of tags that can be added by Friendly (specifically at the end of the page). I don't know how to do the coding so I'd appreciate it if someone else could add it (if the concensus is to add it of course). OlYeller^Talktome 22:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

For those of you wondering that the template is, it simply lets users know that the article could use more categories. Often when I add the {{uncat}} tag to articles, someone often comes and adds one category then removes the tag. While some articles only need one category, I feel the the majority of the time, the article is then orphaned as far as categories go because there's no indication to anyone that it needs more. I started a conversation about the validity of the template here and here. While there wasn't much colaboration, no one voiced any negative opinions of the template. I also, can think of none. OlYeller^Talktome 22:19, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Done. As always, you'll need to refresh your browser cache to get the updated script. --Amalthea 13:14, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Small bug

Resolved

Just a typo I noticed; when tagging an article and browsing through all the tags, under {{current}} (the drop-down list) there are two entries right next to each other that both read {{bridge under construction}}. One of the descriptions says it's about a bridge under construction, the other description says it's about a building under construction. Probably just a matter of sorting out the typo and being sure that bridge gives the bridge tag, etc. —LedgendGamer 21:48, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

• Fixed, thanks. --Amalthea 23:48, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Blank lines again

Sorry to bother you again (I did post about this before), but Friendly still inserts too many blank lines before welcomes, talkbacks, etc. Look here, for example:

. . . the post before . . . </span> 10:32, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


== Welcome ==

'''Welcome!'''

Hello, {{BASEPAGENAME}}, and . . . {{welcome}} template . . .

A minor cosmetic concern, but a concern all the same. — This, that, and the other 08:13, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

 Fixed for welcome templates, but it didn't do so for talkbacks. Cheers, Amalthea 15:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Plagarism templates

Following the excellent article in this week's dispatch, could {{Copypaste}} and {{Close paraphrase}} be added to the problem template section of Friendly? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:29, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Done. Of course, copyright should ideally be supplied with a URL, which friendly isn't prompting for currently. --Amalthea 15:16, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

True, which would be nice :) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:56, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

refimproveBLP

This template no longer exists. Suggest replacing it with Template:BLP sources Dougofborg^(talk) 14:52, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd rather keep that tag alphabetically close to refimprove though, so I just created it as a redirect. It never existed, I was confused. Thanks, Amalthea 15:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Add BLP templates

Hi, can {{BLP unsourced}} and {{BLP sources}} be added? Maybe a drop-down under {{unsourced}} and {{Refimprove}}? Thanks! shirulashem (talk) 23:48, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I can have a look, but I'll add them to {{article issues}} first. --Amalthea 13:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Any progress on this? لennavecia 04:06, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I've added them to mine in my monobook. Seems to work fine. Kevin (talk) 04:17, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks. لennavecia 12:59, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. I've added them now, simply as new entries beneath the respective non-BLP-tags, instead of a drop down. It's probably easier to use, and certainly easier to do for me since I'd have to figure out how to create a drop down thing first (which is why I took so long).
Should work now, and should also work with {{article issues}}. Needs a browser cache refresh.
Cheers, Amalthea 13:15, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! shirulashem (talk) 16:39, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for doing this! Seriously. It saves me lots of time. I really appreciate it! لennavecia 16:04, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Conflicting with another script

Friendly doesn't seem to work on user talk pages when you have User:Animum/EasyBlock installed. --Closedmouth (talk) 10:18, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

No, works for me. On which page did it fail you? Amalthea 13:53, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Er, all of them. My friendly tabs disappeared on all user talk pages immediately after I installed EasyBlock :-/ --Closedmouth (talk) 14:30, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok, there were several problems in your monobook:

• User:Mecu/br.js is a redirect to User:MECU/br.js, and redirecting scripts can't be imported
• There was a misplaced closing pre tag in Autolink which caused a script error
• Your Friendly config was written old style, which has bad effects either if you define it after the script import (which you didn't) or if you use the gadget. Since it didn't work right for you, would I be assuming correctly that you also have Friendly enabled in your gadgets?

I fixed all of those.

Cheers, Amalthea 15:38, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah, thanks man, I had no idea about any of those problems. Appreciated. --Closedmouth (talk) 07:19, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Damn. Thanks for fixing all that stuff, but Friendly still doesn't want to work for me on User talk pages. I don't have it enabled in gadgets, and Twinkle still works on the same pages. Weird. --Closedmouth (talk) 07:33, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

That's really weird.
What browser are you using? It should have a (javascript) error console somewhere, could you have a look if it's showing you any problems? Amalthea 10:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Agh, I just remembered I'm using Mandarax's modified version of Twinkle: User:Xaradnam/twinkle.js. Something in that might be conflicting with something else. I dunno. Here's the error I got:
Error: TwinkleConfig is not defined
Source File: http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User:Xaradnam/twinklefluff.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript
Line: 1
That's way over my head. --Closedmouth (talk) 10:34, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok, that one is fixed, and might have affected scripts that came afterwards. Can you refresh your browser cache and try again? Amalthea 11:10, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Aha! All fixed. I love you, man. --Closedmouth (talk) 12:58, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

REVISIONUSER

I've just added REVISIONUSER functionality to Template:welcomeg and Template:welcomeh. It says to notify here. It's backwards compatible and still takes the 1st parameter as the username, if given. –xeno ^talk 19:26, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! But yeah, as you said it's backwards compatible, so all's well. :) Cheers, Amalthea 21:03, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Notability template tagged as minor edit

I noticed that in this edit, Friendly adds a notability tag to a page but marks it as a minor edit. This is incompatible with WP:MINOR which states When not to mark an edit as minor ... Adding templates to an article. A.K.Nole (talk) 20:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)g

That section was added by a now blocked user, and I don't agree with it in that absoluteness. most tagging by friendly is done on NPP, and I think that those tags can very well be kept minor. Lastly, it's in the discretion of every user to change his Friendly configuration to not mark them as minor. Amalthea 09:07, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. A.K.Nole (talk) 15:58, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Is it possible to have Friendly notify article creators when tagging articles (like Twinkle does when XfDing an article)?

The headline says it all: Is it possible to have Friendly notify article creators when tagging articles (like Twinkle does when XfDing an article)? Thanks—G716 <^T·_C> 19:19, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, that's probably only useful on NPP, right, when you can assume that the original creator has actually written all of the content, and is still around. If such a checkbox existed though, I'm sure people would start checking it and notify editors about problems they have had nothing to do with, or aren't interested in any longer. Only showing the checkbox if an article is less than two weeks old or so is probably pretty confusing as well, I'd think?
Actually, I'd think that the author of an article that gets tagged is almost always a new editor, and he will probably check back on his article anyway. Will templating him help?
Amalthea 08:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Deleted redirect tag "R for as of"

Resolved

In the Redirect tagging menu you may want to remove the {{R for as of}} template as it has been deleted as obsolete. -- OlEnglish ^(Talk) 00:14, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Done, Thanks! Amalthea 00:37, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Also, as per WP:REDIRECT instructions, the templates should go ON THE SAME LINE:

#REDIRECT [[University of Cambridge]]{{R from other capitalisation}}

Friendly currently places it below the redirect code, two lines down. However, I don't think it matters anymore because it still works fine no matter where it's put. I think it used to be with the old Mediawiki software that it had to be a certain way but they must've fixed it. -- OlEnglish ^(Talk) 21:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Right, I think it's OK these days. And I will hold off doing anything there since there's currently a change in the works which would allow properly displaying any content on the redirect page again (bugzilla:14323). Amalthea 08:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

{{uw-fuir}}

Can we have this as a single-issue notice, please? — This, that, and the other [talk] 11:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I think that's part of Twinkle, actually. - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 16:42, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Same diff... Anyway, I'll post it at Twinkle's page. — This, that, and the other [talk] 07:48, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

{{citation style}}

I'd like to see {{citation style}} added to the tag tab. It covers a number of referencing issues in one handy tag and includes good links for more information and help.--RadioFan (talk) 18:10, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I second this. -- OlEnglish ^(Talk) 07:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

 Done. Added to tag list. SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:32, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

{{Puffery}}

A slightly situational template used in case people overexaggerate notability trough the usage of non notable facts. Example: A writer calling himself notable trough writing a non notable book. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 13:41, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Friendly Problem

I'm having a problem with the gadget Friendly. It won't let me welcome new users. --Abce2|AccessDenied 02:10, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I can confirm that; the "welcome" tab doesn't show up on any of my computers (which are logged in to this account). Twinkle and Friendly are both enabled. tedder (talk) 03:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Ditto. Same issue. No "Friendly" tab, but Friendly is installed correctly.--E8 (talk) 04:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the problem is this edit. Powergate92Talk 05:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

You are right- there's a missing comma at the line containing "value: 'Welcomeauto' }". It should be "value: 'Welcomeauto' },". tedder (talk) 05:41, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Fixed, you'll need to refresh your browser cashes. Cheers, Amalthea 06:09, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Verified fix. Thanks, Amalthea and Powergate92. tedder (talk) 06:14, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Custom Welcome and Headers

I'm using the custom welcome parameters to add Films welcome/invites to talk pages, however, Friendly never adds a section header, so I have to go back and manually add one after its posted. How can I fix my config to fix this? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:34, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

The easiest way would be to extend the template you use with a parameter which triggers it to create its own header, and then add that parameter to your monobook so that it says e.g. "value: 'WPFILMS Invite|header=yes'". Amalthea 11:22, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm...not sure I can modify those two without discussion, but will check. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 19:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

{{Welcomecoi}}

I just created this one, but I think it's a decent "potential problem user" template to user. It's a softer alternative to {{Welcomeauto}}, which implies the article has been or will deleted. This one suggests that it is hard to write with a COI and makes suggestions. - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 16:42, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

 Done. Added to the standard welcome list. SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:26, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Does the level two heading nee to be included in the welcome, or could friendly add that automatically? Cheers, - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 16:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Will need a browser cache refresh. Amalthea 16:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

are custom warnings possible?

I'm working on a series of custom warning templates, such as User:Fabrictramp/help/subpage, to be used on user talk pages. Although I could add them to a custom welcome menu, they aren't really welcome templates, and the tag menu doesn't appear on user talk pages. Is there any way I can add these to my friendly config? Or should I just find a talented script writer and offer undying gratitude if they make a new tab appear for me? :) --Fabrictramp | talk to me 23:15, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Tb Notification Using friendly

Currently tb notification works like this:

== Talkback ==

{{tb|Username|section name (if mentioned)}}

Additional message

~~~~

And I would suggest its change to:

== Talkback ==

{{tb|Username|Section name (if mentioned)|ts=~~~~}}
Additional message
~~~~

If the user has given an additional message, then the signature at ts= must go below the message else beside ts=. --Srinivas G Phani 05:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

suddenly the tabs don't show up for me

Resolved

Started today. Ray^Talk 22:50, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Works again. You might need to WP:REFRESH your browser cache. Thanks, Amalthea 23:49, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

W-screen template

Is there a way to 'downsize' the template, just a bit? It's, IMHO, monstrous in size and is a great annoyance whenever I am scrolling down a new users page for discussion. There's a lot of unnecessary white space, and the blue banner at the top could probably be made smaller. I brought this comment here as there would be low chances of anyone seeing it there (and for the purpose of centralization, any edits I would have made would have had to been checked here before they were saved, per the template page's notice). --Blurpeace (talk) 03:13, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

You can actually edit that yourself at Template:W-screen, and discuss proposed changes if necessary at Template talk:W-screen. Friendly doesn't have anything to do with the actual content of the templates that it uses - it just calls them up and includes them. SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:41, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not much of a template coder, or designer (another reason why I brought it here, was looking for others thoughts). I'll clean it up to the best of my current knowledge. --Blurpeace (talk) 03:46, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Talkback in a dummy edit

The ability to send a WP:SMS (aka dummy edit) to note the reply would be nice. So Friendly would:

1. Add or remove the line break below the first section header (if no first section found; default to normal behaviour)
2. Use the edit summary:

 [[WP:SMS]] talkback) I've replied at my talk

3. "my talk" would be linked to the sender's user talk page, with the #section-header if given.

Example: [3]

Thanks! –xeno^talk 14:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

This functionality could be added with the addition of a single option to the existing interface (don't look at me to do it though, my Javascript skills aren't anywhere near that level, low that it may be). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 11:18, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

<looks at you> –xeno^talk 14:19, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

<stays out of sight>
Funnily enough, the edit I read right after this one was an editor on your talk page being confused about a null edit on his talk page :) Has this in any way caught on?
Compared to the current method this will actually be a bit slower, cause it needs to get the user page content first, while it currently just appends a new section. -Amalthea 14:57, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Hm... Not sure if it's caught on. I guess this is me trying to get it to catch on. =] I basically stopped leaving talkbacks because they can tend to "litter" a talk page, but I think the dummy edit method is nice. Even a personal script would be fine *wink* ;p –xeno^talk 15:01, 29 June 2009 (UTC)