Wikipedia talk:Tutorial (historical)/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

This page needs to be updated!

Hello, I am here to ask anyone who has been continuously updating this page to update the South Asian information provided because there is a lot of inaccurate information about the main countries. Afghanistan needs to be taken off due to the fact studies in recent and historic times have told us the Afghanistan does not belong here. Afghans have always considered themselves Middle Easterners and from Central Asia and rightfully so. So whoever that is touching base with this page please do edit the information and correct it. I am a Ph.D. professor myself from Standford in History and with rigorous research have come to the obvious answer which is all around the world but Wikepidia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheIntellectualMind (talk • contribs) 10:07, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

@TheIntellectualMind: This page is for discussing the contents of Wikipedia:Tutorial. If your post is about an article then you can discuss it on the talk page of the article, e.g. Talk:South Asia. See Help:Using talk pages. I noticed that in [1] you removed Afghanistan from a list of South Asian countries but the list had an inline reference [2] to many sources which include Afghanistan in South Asia, e.g. "CIA "The World Factbook"".. The purpose of inline references is to give sources which support the given content. There may be other sources which exclude Afghnaistan but if an article statement contradicts its own inline references then the article is effectively lying about what those sources say. Articles should never do that. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:29, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Although, ironically, the tutorial pages themselves do need to be updated. What do people think about replacing some or all of it with the newer Help:Introduction series? It more logically splits VisualEditor and Markup. The current tutorial contents here prioritise explaining details of markup that beginners will rarely use (e.g. manually formatting references from scratch rather than using the "cite" button). I suspect these tutorials make it harder on newcomers than necessary. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)^talk 04:38, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Urgent need to update all Tutorial pages ("Save changes" is now "Publish changes")

The wiki-wide change implemented by WMF on 11 December 2017, which saw the renaming of the blue "Save changes" button to "Publish changes" in both source and visual editors, means that many text pages and some graphics in many of our Help and Tutorial pages are now out of date. I hope anyone who maintains these instructions will update these guidance pages as soon as possible. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:30, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Link to other Wikipedias

You are in the Wikipedia of country A. What is the code to link to a page of the Wikipedia of country B?

Answer: [ [ write Wikipedia in the language you want : write the name of the page in the same language with the translated word for Wikipedia ] ] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:2149:8752:6b00:6d21:65f3:7c97:95af (talk)

Wikipedia uses language codes and not country codes. See Help:Interlanguage links. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:35, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Proposal to overhaul WP:I and WP:T

I've put up a proposal at the Village Pump to replace the old WP:I and WP:T with the superior Help:Intro. Any opinions welcomed there. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)^talk 02:41, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2018

Add a ")" at the end of the second paragraph. There is a "(', but no ")". TheZestyEel (talk) 18:37, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

 Done qwerty6811 :-) Chat Ping me 19:46, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Updates

As stated above this page needs updates. For example 99 percent of the time www or world wide web is not needed in links. Bleucheeses (talk) 07:53, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

disruptive edit

Hi, forgive me if I'm doing anything wrong myself here (I'm pretty new, had this account for a month but only started using it yesterday) but I noticed someone (Farhaanfk29, I don't know the etiquette for tagging them?) put a link to their personal blog on the Wikipedia Links tab with a misleading edit summary. Acorri (talk) 21:53, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Copying the edit request thing from above, I hope this is okay? Acorri (talk) 22:07, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Looks like this was already caught and reverted. Thanks! —KuyaBriBri^Talk 22:13, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Acorri. I reverted it and blocked Farhaanfk29 indefinitely for spamming. The account already had a spam block and never did anything else than spamming with false edit summaries. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:17, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Edits

I've gone through the opening page, and will look at a few others later. Some non-native speakers might find the heavy use of "you" strange; in many languages, it's considered inappropriate. So I've reworded a few instances (not all). Tony (talk) 11:17, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2018

Please change "after correct a typo" to "after correcting a typo" because of a typo. LordOfThePlums (talk) 19:44, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

@LordOfThePlums:  Done and thank you for catching the error. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:49, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

"Citing sources" how-to video needs to be updated

The "Citing sources tutorial part 1" video that appears first in the Wikipedia:Tutorial/Citing sources page is out of date and can confuse editors new to Wikipedia.
The video instructs learners to add a  ==Notes==  section, then tells them to add a  {{reflist}}  template to the section. However, in today's Wikipedia:

• Footnotes are added inline with the  {{efn|}}  template, sources for footnotes are cited with <ref></ref> — and the  {{notelist}}  template is added to the // Notes // section.
• Referenced sources are added inline and cited with <ref></ref> — but they appear in a  ==References==  section. The // References // section =  {{reflist}}  template.
  Pyxis Solitary yak 00:05, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Please take action on this and remove the video, so that new users are not confused by conflicting information. How did this go unaddressed for so long? I'm going through the learning material to try to find something to share with a new editor who is 79 years old.

1. The topmost video is the video in question.
2. The caption on this video says "A screencast that walks through the essentials needed in citing your sources, part 1". Please remove both the embedded video and this caption, so that people like me can share this tutorial to new users without having it do more harm than good. Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 21:39, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Also I think a change like this may need more discussion or possibly admin guidance familiar with the tutorials. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 00:56, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Per MOS:NOTES, "Notes" is an acceptable heading for a references section. --Bsherr (talk) 17:36, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2019

42.108.246.168 (talk) 13:54, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

You successfully posted the template to request that a change be made to the associated project page, but then you made no actual request. If you want to try again, repost and this time write out the requested edit, with specifics.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:58, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2019

I would like to add a link to the bold text 'Wiki markup', located on the first line of the section 'Wiki markup'. This section is a subsection of 'Footnotes', which is a section of the page tab 'Citing sources'. I would like the link to lead to the how-to guide article with the title 'Help:Wikitext'. Roamin' Rover (talk) 00:02, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

 Done --Bsherr (talk) 00:24, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Minor spelling error in the "How to edit" tab

"Editing most Wikipedia pages is easy. You can chose between two methods: classic editing through wiki markup (wikitext); and a newer system, VisualEditor (VE)."

There was a minor spelling error in the how to edit tab. "You can chose between..." It said chose when it should say choose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ridebuilder5 (talk • contribs) 14:45, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

 Fixed Well spotted! -- John of Reading (talk) 14:49, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Upload information

I want to upload information that are in fact correct. Sahilfiles.sr (talk) 13:25, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

I recommend you visit WP:TEAHOUSE for further advice. -- Begoon 13:39, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

font size..

there needs to be a font size adjustment.. the words are too small on my ipad and there is no adjustment.

people have dificulty seeing..

info at the ubie dot com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.232.105 (talk) 22:27, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Headings

I was wondering if I should add headings at the top of the tutorial pages like this:

Introduction

Learn more about editing

Explore Wikipedia

Tutorial

Mstrojny (talk) 20:04, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Can you sandbox the proposed change, please? --Bsherr (talk) 00:56, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• I think yes, and would suggest doing two or three rows at top. Cheers Markbassett (talk) 04:20, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• @Bsherr and Markbassett: See my proposed change here. Mstrojny (talk) 21:46, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@Mstrojny: the two different layers of headings look odd, with the top extending all the way across but the bottom only half way. Is there any way to have them both stretch the full width? --DannyS712 (talk) 00:44, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712: Huon fixed the layout of the Tutorial in my sandbox. How does it look to you? Mstrojny (talk) 13:37, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

I like it, but I think the sub-tabs ("Introduction", "Editing", etc.) span out too much on larger displays. I think it should look something like this, but a bit more polished. Sunmist (talk) 06:12, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Sunmist, I am always open to new ideas. I'm OK with it. Mstrojny (talk) 18:01, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

I have reverted the change as it messed up the transclusion ability of the pages....many times people transclude just one tab (was setup like this for this purpose) and the changes removed the tabs from view when transcluding see User:Moxy/sandbox --Moxy 🍁 12:47, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Can anyone fix the error that Moxy pointed out on this talk page and this help desk post? Interstellarity (talk) 22:21, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

@Interstellarity:  Done, see User:Moxy/sandbox --DannyS712 (talk) 22:30, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Perfect......have re- implemented both tabs..all good!!!! THANK YOU VERY MUCH DannyS712.--Moxy 🍁 22:36, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2019

I have a question who I the lady on the video on the top of page wearing a white dress and white hat The video caption says A short video about that "Edit" button and what it can do when you are bold! but not sure if the video Says her name as my speaker on my computer will not work Amzncominc (talk) 12:12, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NiciVampireHeart 21:11, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

VE in beta?

This page currently includes Using VisualEditor, an experimental tool that is being beta-tested for editing Wikipedia page. If this still needs to be explicitly flagged for new users, it should probably be mentioned in an earlier tab, since VE was mentioned back in tab /Editing. What do people reckon? T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)^talk 05:40, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Mobile version

Please consider adding images and details for the mobile version since the UI is somewhat different. --Darenwelsh (talk) 14:08, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Reordering proposal for Wikipedia:Tutorial/Citing sources

Proposal: Put the "VisualEditor" instructions above the "Wiki markup" instructions, as the former are easier to use and understand by new editors, and advanced users can still scroll down to see advanced instructions. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:15, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

I agree with this. I'm not sure having new users have to format using <ref>plaintext</ref> is the useful first step. Lerning the simplest interface then what it's 'really doing' behind the scenes is more logical. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)^talk 00:23, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Discussion and RfC

See Wikipedia_talk:Introduction#Proposal:_Redirect_this_page_and_WP:Tutorial_to_Help:Introduction for a relevant discussion. PamD 07:25, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

• Now that the page has been moved, see Wikipedia talk:Introduction (historical)#Proposal: Redirect this page and WP:Tutorial to Help:Introduction instead. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 22:27, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

"Wikipedia:T" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Wikipedia:T. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 12#Wikipedia:T until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 13:02, 12 September 2020 (UTC)