Wikipedia talk:Levels of competence

	This page is within the scope of WikiProject Wikipedia essays, a collaborative effort to organize and monitor the impact of Wikipedia essays. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion. For a listing of essays see the essay directory.Wikipedia essaysWikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedia essaysTemplate:WikiProject Wikipedia essaysWikiProject Wikipedia essays pages
Low	This page has been rated as Low-impact on the project's impact scale.
	The above rating was automatically assessed using data on pageviews, watchers, and incoming links.

Looks like this is just a very late import from wardwiki. (originally, wikipedia policy originated from wardwiki and meatball) --Kim Bruning (talk) 23:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if the challenges should be kept? --Kim Bruning (talk) 00:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Under the advanced challenges, there are some challenges as to trying to not apply admin tools or policy. This is to learn to avoid using meatball:PowerAnswers. --Kim Bruning (talk) 00:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As soon as I saw this page I knew Kim had to be behind it. Nice work; I like it : ) - Chardish (talk) 02:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we where discussing these issues in IRC and the idea originated there to work on this essay. It was a fascinating conversation, moving from meatball wiki references, to philosophy, martial arts, Taoism, and the rest... ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 04:12, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jossi actually started the page, and apparently knows quite a lot about the subject. :-) --Kim Bruning (talk) 22:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Somewhat disappointed

When I saw the title I tought this page will be a little different. You can say to a beginners that they will become advanced, but they will not understand - they are beginners after all! Moreover, ups, you've just lied - some beginners will never ever become advanced, they have no capability for that. I think what this article should essenially point out about "levels of competence" is that every Wikipedian:

intuitively knows how to handle fellows on his own level,
should be reminded how to handle the lower levels,
should know that there are higher levels, and their actions will seem mysterious at a first glance.

Or something like that. --Kubanczyk (talk) 22:48, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think that 'some beginners will never ever become advanced, they have no capability for that' is somewhat of an overstatement. Nevertheless, one of the key issues regarding editing competency and collaboration is maturity. Many younger editors fail to grasp the fact that Wikipedia is a serious encyclopedia, while some also appear to join the project more for the socialising. Those younger users who join with the express intention of becoming an admin have possibly registered for the wrong reasons. Growing up is something that each individual can only do for themselves and in spite of some occasional brave efforts by experienced Wikipedians to mentor new users, helping younger users to adopt an adult level of maturity and responsibility is not within our remit. It's best left to their parents and teachers. Once older, they will become advanced and will have the required capabilities - but it takes time, sometimes several years.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:29, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Five pillars

I wonder, if you walked up to 30 random Wikipedians, how many could name the five pillars. I know I probably couldn't, except maybe by listing every policy and guideline I could think of until I mentioned whatever five are the five pillars. St. claires fire (talk) 01:38, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]